Mr Briney goes Fishing...(Lots of Ruby and Sapphire Onward Decks)

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  1. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    Furret will find these decks and post it if I don't so...

    Here are two decks made in the Ruby & Sapphire Onward Format.
    This Format is NOT currently required for Modified Play.

    .....................................

    2 Wailord EX
    4 Wailmer R&S
    4 Girafarig Dragon
    2 Absol Dragon

    2 Team Aqua Hideout
    3 Team Aqua Conspirators
    3 Team Magma Conspirators
    2 Professor Oak's Research
    4 TV Reporter
    4 Lanette's Net Search
    4 Wally's Training
    4 Buffer Piece
    4 Warp Point

    8 H2O
    6 Psychic
    4 Darkness

    Aqua Hideout makes Girafarig's second attack stronger.
    Girafarig's first attack finds cards.
    Absol makes your opponent discard their big hand,
    and helps take care of Wobbuffet.

    ....................................


    3 Gardevoir
    2 Gardevoir EX
    4 Kirlia (take your pick)
    4 Ralts (take your pick)
    3 Wobbuffet
    4 Wynaut
    4 Dunsparce
    1 Chansey EX

    4 Professor Oak's Research
    2 Rare Candy
    3 Energy Recycle
    4 TV Reporter
    3 Oran Berry
    3 Mr. Briney's Compassion

    16 Psychic Energy

    Dunsparce + Wynaut are trying to make set up as fast as possible.
    In a new format, people see good trainers leaving and assume that
    decks will slow down. How fast should your deck be?
    As fast as possible. Get there the quickest with the mostest!

    Enjoy!
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2004
  2. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    From the Team Compendium Website:
    (These are Official rulings by Pokemon USA.)


    == BALLOON BERRY (Neo:Revelation; EX:Dragon)

    * In the Japanese card, there is a text saying "If Balloon Berry is attached to one of your Pokemon, the Pokemon's retreat cost is 0". So, you should play Balloon Berry as if it negates the Pokemon's retreat cost while attached to that pokemon, not just when it actually attempts to retreat. For example, Muk-EX's "Slimy Water" attack damage will be reduced to only 40 against a Pokemon with Balloon Berry attached to it. (Nov 13, 2003 PUI Rules Team)

    ..................

    == SLIMY WATER (Muk-EX - EX:Dragon)

    Q. Does High Pressure system change the amount of damage Muk-EX does with Slimy Water?
    A. Yes, provided that the Pokemon's retreat cost isn't already zero - there is no such thing as a negative retreat cost. Anything that reduces the retreat cost will affect the damage Muk-EX does with its Slimy Water attack. (Feb 5, 2004 PUI Rules Team)

    .........................


    == BALLOON BERRY (Neo:Revelation; EX:Dragon) [See Also: Errata]

    * In the Japanese card, there is text saying "If Balloon Berry is attached to one of your Pokemon, the Pokemon's retreat cost is 0". So, you should play Balloon Berry as if it negates the Pokemon's retreat cost while attached to that pokemon, not just when it actually attempts to retreat. For example, Muk-EX's "Slimy Water" attack damage will be reduced to only 40 against a Pokemon with Balloon Berry attached to it. (Nov 13, 2003 PUI Rules Team)

    Q. If I have Balloon Berry attached to a Pokemon, do I *have* to use it to pay for the Retreat Cost, or can I choose to discard energies and save the Balloon Berry for later?
    A. No, you must use Balloon Berry if you retreat that pokemon normally. (Nov 13, 2003 PUI Rules Team)Q. What happens if a free retreater with Balloon Berry attached retreats? Does Balloon Berry get discarded in place of 0 cards?
    A. Even if you have no retreat cost, you must still discard the Balloon Berry when retreating. (Jan 15, 2004 PUI Rules Team)

    ...................................


    == HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM (EX:Dragon)

    Q. Does High Pressure system change the amount of damage Muk-EX does with Slimy Water?
    A. Yes, provided that the Pokemon's retreat cost isn't already zero - there is no such thing as a negative retreat cost. Anything that reduces the retreat cost will affect the damage Muk-EX does with its Slimy Water attack. (Feb 5, 2004 PUI Rules Team)

    Q. If Kecleon has a basic Fire energy card and a basic Water energy card attached, and a High Pressure System is in play, would Kecleon's retreat cost be reduced by two?
    A. Well, no Pokemon's retreat cost can ever be less than zero. But to clarify, High Pressure System only allows a maximum reduction of one energy, regardless of how many "colors" a Pokemon may be. (Nov 20, 2003 PUI Rules Team)

    .....................................


    == TEAM AQUA HIDEOUT (EX:Team Magma/Team Aqua)

    Q. Team Aqua Hideout increases the Retreat Cost for certain types of Pokémon - how does this affect a Pokémon that has a Poké-Body that reduces the cost to zero, or a Pokémon that doesn't have a cost to retreat?
    A. If a Pokémon doesn't have a Retreat Cost, it now has a cost of one. If a Poke-Body reduces the cost to zero, the cost remains zero. (Team Magma vs Team Aqua Prerelease FAQ, Q8)

    Q. If a Pokemon starts out with one retreat, reduces it by one for some other effect to zero, would "Team Aqua Hideout" bring it back to one, or would it stay zero?
    A. If something says "reduces the cost to X", that's where it stays. But if it says "reduce the cost *by* X", it's just math. For example, +1, -1, +1 = +1. If the final result is a negative number, then the final retreat cost is zero. (Mar 4, 2004 PUI Rules Team)
     
  3. Imperial

    Imperial New Member

    the first deck, isnt my favorite... but Swampert ,Gardevoir and Blaziken will be the major decks when its RS up... wait, arent they already?
    im not sure if Sceptile ex and Cradily ex will be used much though... maybe!
    and in that first deck, Wailord ex? Girafarig? ABSoL?! And also Lanetes Net Search will replace Fan Club. thast off topic though.
     
  4. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    Ask and you shall receive:
    .........................................

    2 Swampert EX
    4 Swampert Ruby & Sapphire #13
    3 Marshtomp (Dragon #36 or other)
    4 Mudkip (Dragon #65 or other)
    4 Dunsparce
    2 Suicune EX
    2 Marill Sandstorm (free retreat)
    2 Team Aqua Walrein

    2 Mr. Briney's Compassion
    3 Archie
    4 Professor Oak's Research
    4 TV Reporter
    3 Professor Birch
    (replace with Stephen's Advice if it is printed [draws seven instead of six]?)
    3 Rare Candy

    18 Water

    Swampert EX and Walrein provide some defense against Electric decks,
    since Swampert EX is a Fighting type Pokemon and Walrein is not weak to Electric types.
    Marill is great for stalling.

    ....................................

    1 Blaziken EX
    4 Blaziken R&S Holo (Firestarter)
    4 Combusken Ruby & Sapphire #28 (flip for turn two knock out)
    4 Torchic Dragon
    2 Skitty
    2 Delcatty
    4 Dunsparce
    2 Rayquaza EX

    4 Wally's Training
    4 Warp Point
    4 Professor Oak's Research
    3 Switch
    4 TV Reporter

    4 Multi Energy
    14 Fire Energy

    Switch version works well with Wally's Training.
    Multi Energy makes Rayquaza stronger yet it can only attack 4 times.
    (You only need six prizes so that should be OK.)

    ....................................

    1 Blaziken EX
    4 Blaziken R&S Holo (Firestarter)
    3 Combusken Ruby & Sapphire #28 (flip for turn two knock out)
    4 Torchic Dragon
    2 Skitty
    2 Delcatty
    2 Rayquaza EX
    4 Dunsparce
    2 Team Aqua Manectric (Team Aqua & Magma #13)

    2 Wally's Training
    2 Warp Point
    4 Professor Oak's Research
    4 TV Reporter
    3 Archie
    3 Rare Candy

    4 Lightning Energy
    14 Fire Energy

    Energy Moving Version.
    If your only Manectric is in your hand, use Professor Oak's Research
    to shuffle it into your deck, then find Archie.
    Wally's Training sometimes helps you find Delcatty.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2004
  5. SuperWooper

    SuperWooper New Member

    Wrong, Imperial. Very very wrong. You need to check out Nick15's spoilers for the new Japenese sets at fakecard.com - you'll see why these three will be the top:

    Metagross ex
    Blaziken ex
    Blastoise ex

    These three will be dominating the scene, with some Ampharos and Gardevoir thrown in. Prof. Doug, like me, likes to look into the future and be WAAAAAAAAY rogue, which is never a bad thing.

    First off: Swampert and Team Aqua's Walrein is virtually pointless. Blastoise ex can attach infinite energy with its power, at a small price. Blastoise ex powers up pokemon so much more quickly than Swampert, Swampert will become a binder card.

    Secondly: In Blaziken, where is Nishiki's Network, and Handy 909? You must use these two cards in Blaziken decks. They will not have enough speed to compete with WalREIGN otherwise.

    Battle Searcher. Good RSon card. Use it.

    ***per
     
  6. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    Furret trots over to Nick 15's website and is very impressed with all the work Nick 15 has done on interpreting cards. THANKS NICK 15!

    Here are the trainers we might see coming up in June:

    * SOOTHING HERBS (TRAINER)
    Flip a coin. If heads, you may remove 1 damage counter from each of your Pokemon
    in play (except Pokemon-ex) and your Active Pokemon are no longer affected by a
    Special Condition.
    73/83 Uncommon [Ryo Ueda]

    * STEVEN'S ADVICE (TRAINER - Supporter)
    Draw cards until there are 7 cards in your hand.
    74/83 Uncommon [Ken Sugimori]

    * SUPER ANCIENT TECHNICAL MACHINE [ICE] (TRAINER - Technical Machine)
    [C] Ice Gathering
    ???
    75/83 Uncommon [Mitsuhiro Arita]

    * SUPER ANCIENT TECHNICAL MACHINE [ROCK] (TRAINER - Technical Machine)
    [C] Stone Generating
    Your opponent takes the top most Evolution card on each of his or her
    Evolution Pokemon and returns it to his or her hand. (??)
    76/83 Uncommon [Mitsuhiro Arita]

    * SUPER ANCIENT TECHNICAL MACHINE [METAL] (TRAINER - Technical Machine)
    [C] Steel Generating
    If the Defending Pokemon has a Poke-Power or Poke-Body, choose up to 2
    energy cards attached to ??? and ????
    77/83 Uncommon [Mitsuhiro Arita]

    * CAVE ISLET (TRAINER - Stadium)
    If you attach an energy card to one of your WATER, FIGHTING, or METAL-type
    Pokemon, that Pokemon is no longer affected by a Special Condition.
    78/83 Uncommon [Mitsuhiro Arita]

    * ANCIENT HILL (TRAINER - Stadium)
    Ignore all weaknesses (except on Pokemon-ex). (????)
    79/83 Uncommon [Mitsuhiro Arita]

    * DESERT RUINS (TRAINER - Stadium)
    Between turns, if a Pokemon's maximum HP is 100 or more, then put 1 damage
    counter on it. (It mentioned something about Pokemon-ex as well) (????)
    80/83 Uncommon [Mitsuhiro Arita]

    * HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM (TRAINER - Stadium)
    The retreat cost for Fire-type and Water-type Pokemon is reduced by C.
    81/83 Uncommon [Ken Ikuji]

    * LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM (TRAINER - Stadium)
    The maximum HP for each of your Grass and Lightning Pokemon is +10 HP.
    82/83 Uncommon [Shin-ichi Yoshikawa]

    * MAGNETIC STORM (TRAINER - Stadium)
    If a Psychic or Fighting Pokemon's attack does damage, ignore Resistance for
    that attack's damage.
    83/83 Uncommon [Shin-ichi Yoshikawa]

    ............................................................................
    So Professor Oak's Research might not come back until
    September unless they release it in June instead.

    Talk about a reality check - we are talking about cards coming
    back into a format that hasn't even been changed by wondering which
    set Pokemon USA will put them into. Whatever...
    ............................................................................
    Here is the new big Metal Pokemon by the way.


    * METAGROSS ex [150 HP] (Stage 2 Metal Pokemon / Evolves from Metang)
    [MC] Metal Reverse (40)
    Before doing damage, if your opponent has any Benched Pokemon, you may
    choose one of them and switch it with the Defending Pokemon.
    [MMCC] Meteor Mash (50+)
    If you attack with Meteor Mash during your next turn, then that attack
    does 50 more damage.
    WEAKNESS: FIRE/FIGHTING
    RESISTANCE: GRASS
    RETREAT: CCCC
    71/83 Ultra-Rare #192 [Mistuhiro Arita]
     
  7. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    While we are at it, here are the trainers we might see in September.
    Big thanks to Nick 15 again!


    * ENERGY SWITCH (TRAINER)
    Choose 1 basic energy card attached to one of your Pokemon and move it to another
    one of your Pokemon.
    43/52 [Ken Ikuji]

    * ENERGY REMOVAL 2 (TRAINER)
    Flip a coin. If heads, choose an energy card attached to one of your opponent's
    Pokemon and discard it.
    44/52 [Keiji Kinebuchi]

    * POTION (TRAINER)
    Remove up to 2 damage counters from one of your Pokemon.
    45/52 [Keiji Kinebuchi]

    * SUPER SCOOP UP (TRAINER)
    Flip a coin. If heads, choose one of your Pokemon and return it and every card
    attached to it back to your hand.
    46/52 [Keiji Kinebuchi]

    * MAX RECOVER (TRAINER)
    Flip a coin. If heads, choose one of your Pokemon (excluding Pokemon-ex), remove
    6 damage counters from it and it is no longer affected by a Special Condition.
    47/52 [Ryo Ueda]

    * SWITCH (TRAINER)
    Switch your Active Pokemon with a Pokemon on your Bench.
    48/52 [Hiromichi Sugiyama]

    * POKEMON REVERSAL (TRAINER)
    Flip a coin. If heads, your opponent chooses one of his or her Benched Pokemon
    and switches it with his or her Active Pokemon.
    49/52 [Hiromichi Sugiyama]

    * POKEBALL (TRAINER)
    Flip a coin. If heads, search your deck for a Basic Pokemon or Evolution card,
    show it to your opponent, and put it in your hand. Shuffle your deck afterwards.
    50/52 [K Hoshiba]

    * OAK'S RESEARCH (TRAINER-Supporter)
    Shuffle your hand into your deck and draw 5 cards.
    51/52 [Ken Sugimori]

    * BILL'S MAINTENANCE (TRAINER-Supporter)
    Shuffle 1 card from your hand into your deck, then draw 3 cards.
    52/52 [Ken Sugimori]



    * SUPER BALL (TRAINER)
    Search your deck for a Basic Pokemon card (excluding Pokemon-ex) and put it on
    your Bench. Shuffle your deck afterwards. (You can't use this card if your Bench
    is full.)
    75/82 Uncommon [Nakaoka]

    * BATTLE SEARCHER (TRAINER)
    If you have any Supporter cards in your discard pile, choose one of them and put
    it in your hand.
    76/82 Uncommon [K. Utsunomiya]

    * POKEDEX HANDY 909 (TRAINER)
    Shuffle your deck, then look at the top 6 cards of your deck. Then replace them
    back on the top of your deck in any order.
    77/82 Uncommon [K. Utsunomiya]

    * OAK'S RESEARCH (TRAINER-Supporter)
    Shuffle your hand into your deck and draw 5 cards.
    78/82 Uncommon [Ken Sugimori]

    * NISHIKI'S NETWORK (TRAINER-Supporter)
    Search your deck for any one Pokemon card (excluding Pokemon-ex), show it to your
    opponent, then put it in your hand. Shuffle your deck afterwards.
    79/82 Uncommon [Ken Sugimori]

    * BILL'S MAINTENANCE (TRAINER-Supporter)
    Shuffle 1 card from your hand into your deck, then draw 3 cards.
    80/82 Uncommon [Ken Sugimori]

    * EXP.ALL (TRAINER-Pokemon Tool)
    During your opponent's turn, if your Active Pokemon would be Knocked Out by your
    opponent's attack, you may take 1 of the basic Energy cards attached to your
    Active Pokemon and attach it to the Pokemon with EXP.ALL attached to it. If you
    do, discard EXP.ALL.
    81/82 Uncommon [Keiji Kinebuchi]

    * MOUNTAIN WALL (TRAINER-Stadium)
    Pokemon with a maximum of HP of 70 or less can't use Poke-Powers.
    82/82 Uncommon [Nakaoka]

    .........................................................

    Also of interest:
    * MR. MIME ex [80 HP] (Basic Psychic Pokemon)
    [BODY] Peral Barrier
    If an attack does 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160, or 180 damage to
    Mr. Mime ex, prevent that damage. (This power does not prevent any more
    damage.)
    [PC] Breakdown
    Put 1 damage counter on the Defending Pokemon for each card in your
    opponent's hand.
    RETREAT: C
    54/82 #122 Super-Rare [Ryo Ueda]

    * BLASTOISE ex [150 HP] (Stage 2 Water Pokemon / Evolves from Wartortle)
    [POWER] Energy Dance
    As often as you want during your turn, you may choose 1 WATER energy card
    from your hand and attach it to one of your Pokemon in play. If you do
    put 1 damage counter on that Pokemon. This power can't be used if
    Blastoise ex is affected by a Special Condition.
    [WWWC] Ebb Tide (80)
    Flip a coin until you flip a tails. For each heads, choose 1 energy card
    attached to the Defending Pokemon and discard it.
    WEAKNESS: LIGHTNING
    RETREAT: CCC
    20/52 #009 [Hikaru Koike]
     
  8. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    Furret trots off to look at Doug's notes.
    Furret returns and starts supposing
    Umbreon walks in.
    Furret "What would you play for Nationals IF the Format changed
    to Ruby Sapphire Onward right after the next set was released?"
    Umbreon "First off, I would make it clear that NOBODY has said when
    the Modified Format will change."
    Umbreon "Next, I would play this:"

    From Nick 15's Website:
    ADV4 Spoiler:


    * KYOGRE ex [100 HP] (Basic Water Pokemon)
    [BODY] Even Matched
    If Kyogre ex is your Active Pokemon, then either Rayguaza ex or Groudon
    ex can't attack.
    [CC] Water Arrow
    Choose one of your opponent's Pokemon. This attack does 20 damage to
    that Pokemon (don't apply Weakness or Resistance).
    [WWC] Tidal Wave 50+
    You may show your opponent your hand. If you do, this attack does 50
    damage plus 10 damage for each energy card in your hand. Then shuffle
    all energy cards shown in this way back into your deck.
    WEAKNESS: GRASS
    RETREAT: CCC


    4 Minun
    3 Plusle
    2 Kecleon
    3 Kyogre EX (not yet released, so Suicune EX is a good substitute.)

    4 Lady Outing
    4 Lanette's Net Search
    4 TV Reporter
    3 Team Aqua Conspirators
    3 Team Magma Conspirators
    4 Warp Point
    4 Buffer Piece
    4 Low Pressure System

    7 Water Energy
    7 Electric Energy
    2 Grass Energy
    2 Psychic Energy

    Lead with Minun or Plusle when possible.
    Draw cards whether you need them or not.
    Save Kecleon for those big stage two EX Pokemon.

    Furret "That is a difficult deck to play."
    Umbreon "True, there is more to a deck than how much power it has.
    Some deck require higher playing skills than others."
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2004
  9. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    Furret and Umbreon wave bye.
    They walk off discussing why good players have to build all storts of decks
    to truly understand the World of Pokemon.
     
  10. Pidgeotto Trainer

    Pidgeotto Trainer New Member

    The Blaziken trainer line DOES look weird without Oracle. For that deck I would go with TA Electrike instead of Archie since you can just search out TA Electrike with Sparce.
     
  11. SuperWooper

    SuperWooper New Member

    As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't concern me. Just play WalREIGN *end blatant advertisment for my own glory*, as it don't mattah in that deck. However, Blaziken deck is very very simple, too obvious almost:

    Pokemon: 21
    4 Torchic
    2 Combusken
    3 Blaziken
    2 Blaziken ex
    2 Skitty
    2 Delcatty
    2 Rayquaza ex
    4 Dunsparce

    Energy: 18
    13 Fire
    3 Multi
    2 Lightning

    Trainers: 21
    4 POR
    4 Reporter
    3 Nishiki's Network
    3 Handy 909
    2 Warp Point
    2 Switch
    3 Candy

    Simple.

    Blastoise ex:

    Pokemon: 20
    4 Azurill
    3 Igglybuff
    2 Squirtle
    3 Blastoise ex
    2 Feebas
    2 Milotic
    4 Team Aqua's Walrein

    Energy: 19 Water

    Trainers: 21
    4 Reporter
    2 Steven's Advice
    2 POR
    3 Candy
    3 Briney
    3 Battle Searcher
    4 Archie

    Those two and Metagross ex (I haven't come up with a list) will be the dominant decks, no questions asked.

    ***per
     
  12. Pidgeotto Trainer

    Pidgeotto Trainer New Member

     
  13. SuperWooper

    SuperWooper New Member

    I've playtested my butt off man. I can tell those three will be the top decks. Feel it in my bones, so to speak. Well, not really. But I don't think I missed much. There's even balance between them.

    Blaziken>Metagross
    Metagross>WalREIGN
    WalREIGN>Blaziken

    Each deck has one strength, and one weakness. Ampharos ex will also be in their, thanks to its resistance to metal (Metagross ex) and power, which crushes Blastoise unless the Blastoise player gets a good setup. Gardevoir will still be played, and make a small impact on Walrein and Amphy, but Metagross ex will be able to defeat it (unless it's ruled Metagross ex can't attack Wobbuffet period) and it looses to Blaziken, this we know.

    Corsola, Paras, Luvdisc, Igglybuff, all new good starters besides Azurill, Dunsparce and Wynaut. Tauros and Spinda, Rayquaza counters in Blastoise ex and Gardevoir because of their damage ability. Rogue Armaldo may pop up, the format is more dependant on supporters than ever. Armaldo+Gengar ex = A lot of damage could happen! Yay! Rogueness!

    Electrode and Milotic will influence the format with game breaking power, yaddah yaddah yaddah. You try assessing the format 6 months before it comes out, then I'll tell you what you did meant nothing. =/

    ***per
     
  14. Cyrus

    Cyrus Iron Chef - Master Emeritus

    Just to satisfy you both and to keep the purity of Doug's post alive, here are many deck ideas for you guys to ponder about. Not actually decks, but just names:

    Beautifly/Dustox speed
    Blaziken Variants
    Gardevoir/Gex
    Kingdra variants
    Slaking Variants
    Sceptech/Sceptile variants
    Aggron ex
    Kabutops ex speed
    Fossil Mulligan variants
    Eeveelution
    Flygon
    Muk ex/Roselia
    Salamence
    Shedinja/Wob tech decks
    Amphy/Turbo Amphy
    Team Aqua Speed
    Team Magma Haymaker
    TM Houndoom
    TA Lanturn/Magneton variants
    Vileplume ex
    Crobat Disruption
    Electrode Kamikaze
    MachampTech
    New age Wigglytuff
    Exploud decks (versatile!)
    Shiftry manipulation
    Metagross ex variants
    VenusaurTech
    Charizard ex decks
    Blastoise variants
    Poliwrath
    Legendary Bird Surprise!
    Nido decks
    Primeape Tool
    Clefable ex

    That's just the tip of the iceberg. Those are all playable ideas which you'll see at a tournament near you! We bring you back to Furret with Sports...
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2004
  15. SuperWooper

    SuperWooper New Member

    O_O_O_O_O

    I bolded the good onez....

    Some of those look like draft decks, dude. ROFL, anyways, the Primpape tool thing we considered as a WalREIGN counter...I don't see it working as a top deck, but very rougish...melikes! Machamp, also another counter to WalREIGN...too many counters...dang that double weakness.

    New age Wigglah! Woot! M2X, Zangoose, etc and shtuffz. Electrode!!! Yay! Blow up your opponent and yourself. With Electrode ex, if translated the more powerful way, with be broken in decks like Blastoise, etc.

    Milotic makes a huge splash (no pun intended) and stadium cards become useful. *gasp*

    ***per
     
  16. Cyrus

    Cyrus Iron Chef - Master Emeritus

    Hmmm, I've told you about my Primeape Tech. However, a few of the games are too close to call, so I may want to add another attacker in there...*ponders*

    To de-spam the topic, lemme fix one of Doug's decks:

    Pokemon (12):

    4 Minun
    3 Plusle
    2 Kecleon
    3 Kyogre EX (not yet released, so Suicune EX is a good substitute.)

    Trainers (30):

    4 Lanette's Net Search
    4 TV Reporter
    4 Lady Outing
    3 Team Aqua Conspirators
    3 Team Magma Conspirators
    3 Buffer Piece
    3 Low Pressure System
    3 Warp Point
    3 Mr. Briney's Compassion

    Energy (18):

    7 Water Energy
    7 Electric Energy
    2 Grass Energy
    2 Psychic Energy

    Yes, your deck will take tons more skill level to pull off than the average one, but I like it a lot! Reminds me of my Modified Haymaker...*sighs, remembering the good ole days*
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2004
  17. SuperWooper

    SuperWooper New Member

    Modified Haymaker...the closest I'm seeing in Wigglytuff ex or Turbo Amphy, but they's evolutions...
    Too bad Skyridge Arcanine isn't staying around for long. That card = cool.

    Pokemon: 20
    4 Roselia
    4 Dunsparce
    4 Jigglypuff
    4 Wigglytuff ex
    2 Mewtwo ex
    2 Zangoose

    I think Igglybuff could really fit in there, but I don't think I have room...=/

    Energy: 20
    14 Grass
    6 Psychic

    Trainers: 20
    4 POR
    4 Reporter
    3 Lanette's Net Search
    3 Strength Charm
    3 Energy Switch (could probably be abused somehow)
    3 Rare Candy (because I can)

    Randomness....

    ***per
     
  18. Hero

    Hero New Member

    Yeah.. pretty random but a good concept and deck. A lot of people anticipating the return of haymaker/wiggly but not as much so as Vensaur/Blastoise EX. I'll most likely continue to play my gard deck with the addition of some other non-released, new-age deck ideas.
     
  19. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    Doug walks in

    "FURRET!!!!!

    :mad: I was saving this deck for the Grinder :mad: "

    Oh well...

    Let's see, here, think, think, think....

    4 Minun
    3 Plusle
    2 Kecleon
    3 Kyogre EX

    4 Lady Outing
    4 Lanette's Net Search
    4 Stephen's Advice
    3 Team Aqua Conspirators
    3 Team Magma Conspirators
    4 Warp Point
    4 Buffer Piece
    4 Low Pressure System

    7 Water Energy
    7 Electric Energy
    2 Grass Energy
    2 Psychic Energy

    With the change from Suicune EX to Kyogre EX,
    we suddenly switch from Huge hands (making me worry about Gard. EX)
    to my energy in my hand disappearing into the deck, so out comes
    TV Reporter (which was one of the difficult decisions in the deck
    about which card to toss out) and we replace it with Stephen's Advice:

    * STEVEN'S ADVICE (TRAINER - Supporter)
    Draw cards until there are 7 cards in your hand.
    74/83 Uncommon [Ken Sugimori]

    That way when we shuffle the energy out of our hand into the deck,
    we get a nice size hand again soon.

    I guess you could have 1 Suicune EX and 2 Kyogre EX, especially
    if Kyogre EX gets expensive or hard to get, but staight Kyogre EX
    is better with Warp Point around.

    Mr. Briney's Compassion is a nice addition to the deck.
    Patriarch is already personalizing the deck into his own style - good job.

    I enjoy reading your many good deck ideas Super Wooper.
    Ideas create more ideas and those ideas in turn create new ideas again.

    :pokeball: :fighting: :colorless :psychic: :lightning :grass: :fire: :pokeball:
     
  20. Prof. Douglas Zuver

    Prof. Douglas Zuver New Member

    Changing Title.
    Feel free to post any good Ruby Sapphire Onward decks here.
     
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