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Mr Briney goes Fishing...(Lots of Ruby and Sapphire Onward Decks)

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Its true that I like looking at new, creative decks.. but wouldn't it be better if people invent their own decks in secret ? Its just more of a suprise that way. That just kind of defeats the whole concept of making it yourself and unleashing it onto your opponents. That person would be like "wow, thats a cool deck.. who came up with it? you?" Now its more like.. "Oh is that Prof douglas zuvers deck that he posted 2 months ago/ the one that went through about 30 fixes from 30 people and is now perfected?.." One's ability to create his own deck is what makes this game diverse. I know maybe you guys want to get "early credit" for some of these ideas, but its just ruining the upcoming "suprises" we'll see in HL and FoL.

LMK what you think :/
 
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To post or not to post, that is the question.
There isn't a good answer to this frankly.

As for this Plusle Minun deck,
It is finished.
I built it in secret.
I play tested it in secret two dozen times
against Blaziken/Ray/Team Aqua Manectric.
I don't need anyone to help me perfect it.
I found the perfect Water Pokemon for it, and
I just made my drawing power adjust just now.
It is late April, and the Broken Seal set will be here by June.

People have complained about the fact that the Modified
Format was changed right before the 2002 World Championship.
Sometimes good players find it hard to have the time to change
to a new format and play it at a Championship level, with only
a month and a half of preperation.

There is also the problem of trading for the cards for a needed deck.
This also takes time.

What if Modified changed before Nationals?
(NOBODY has said when it will change.)
Where would everybody be?
It would be funer and maybe better yes, to hold back and surprise
everyone like I did last year with my Zapdos deck.
But, circumstances are different for me this year.
I have my trophies, and this Plusle Minun deck is
unique and an unlikely path for people to explore.

Right before the last Modified Format change,
I posted about 30 somewhat good, but not great examples of
what the new Modified deck might look like. It turned out that
Professor Elm was not allowed into the Format and all my decks used
4 Professor Elms.

What do I think?
I started a topic called "To Post or not to Post."
My point of view was that maybe as a Tournament Organizer,
I should not post Deck Lists on the Boards.

DMTM replyed to the post and explained that some good players
have trouble building decks, and that by posting decks, counter
decks can be created to block them. That the game is helped
by sharing deck ideas.

Even though MTM and DMTM are gone, their influence remains.
I respect his point of view...
 
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I think maybe not deck lists.. but deck ideas and concepts. I just dont want to see too much of the same (exact) copies of decks running around. For example, we (the deck mechanics) come up with 30 some fixes to some deck untill it is finally perfected: meaning - we ran out of fixes and the deck is deemed flawless or the best that it can be. Once we have fixed the deck to the best of our abilities, people will obviously use it card for card because its been deemed - the best that it could be. An example of this would be Wooper's Blastoisex deck. A lot of players are going to refer back to that post and look at the "ultimate" version of blastoisex.

Now comes PDZ posting about half a dozen deck LISTS up for everyone to view. Of course, we (the deck mechs) flock to this thread and look at every deck. This basically makes it 6x the future deck ideas that was originally introduced. Patriarch made a good, and precise lookdown of the possible archetypes BUT he did not post the actual deck list. That's for you, the players, to figure out, and experiment with and then post for fixes and ideas. If we already fix every deck, every good archetype before its even released, whats the point to variety? All similar decks will have a difference of 1-2 maybe.

I'm just trying to say is: Don't make new stuff get old before it even comes out.
 
Hero, the Blastoise ex deck I made is getting a heck of a lot of playtesting. Because of this I give myself an advantage when RSon comes out (if that's the format), because I'm the first to look at the spoilers, I'm the first to evaluate the format, giving me a lil' jumpstart. Me and Patriarch are like, "look at this spoiler" "oh that could be good". You and everyone else aren't, and you think we're wasting time? No! We're getting ahead! Giving ourselves a small little advantage. I've perfected WalREIGN, to the post where I don't think I can get it any better. I'm working on Metagross ex and Blaziken, tweaking them, perfecting them.

Steven's Advice is not a Birch for seven. You have the translation wrong, Nick15 translated it wrong.
It actually says:

(supporter rule)
Draw a number of cards equal to the number of basic pokemon on your opponent's side of the field.

So it's arguabley better...play 4 against Dunsparce...that's a lotta cards.

***per
 
1. Ive looked all the future spoilers and know all the cards
2. I never said you were wasting time
3. Doesn't it bother you if someone uses your deck (card for card)?

Because thats whats going to happen if you further "perfect" these decks LIVE on the forums for everybody to see.
 
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Stop flaming children...remember, Doug's post =(

As for looking through and scanning, my region will be shocked when they see me running that one godly deck I made that we agreed that I shouldn't reveal quite yet (hint: it's 3-1 vs both Blazi and Walreign, and it's nasty, nasty, nasty) ;)
 
Ah, but burning incense can lead to flames, you know ;P

PS: Looked back at one of your posts Hero, and...wow. Darn, that's some emo stuff. I must say that I'm not a glory seeker (even Wooper can back me up on that one!), and don't do try to post all the decks ASAP just to get attention. Oh, if you've seen some of my posts, you'd know that they don't get much attention, lol ;)

That gives me really fond memories about the Skyridge SBZ in Plano, Texas. Everybody who saw Alakatech work for the first time ever was just so thrilled, especially about what it did in matches vs. Kingdra:

Alakazam-Psymimic/Genetic Memory-50 Damage (one Psy only!)
Alakazam-Psymimic/Genetic Memory-discard and total recovery (one psy only =O)

People had fun playing with it, against it, and watching it in action. Same goes for our good Professor friend's decks: Who wouldn't have fun getting beaten down by a couple little rats and a big fish?
 
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Patriarch said:
That gives me really fond memories about the Skyridge SBZ in Plano, Texas. Everybody who saw Alakatech work for the first time ever was just so thrilled, especially about what it did in matches vs. Kingdra:

Alakazam-Psymimic/Genetic Memory-50 Damage (one Psy only!)
Alakazam-Psymimic/Genetic Memory-discard and total recovery (one psy only =O)

People had fun playing with it, against it, and watching it in action. Same goes for our good Professor friend's decks: Who wouldn't have fun getting beaten down by a couple little rats and a big fish?
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You said it yourself that everybody was thrilled the first time Alakatech worked at SBZ. Not to mention the deck did exceptionally good against the compitition. What happens if they saw it 3 months prior to release on these forums.. what happens if that deck was fixed beyond reckoning and was copied card for card. It would totally not be a suprise, not to mention the flames you'd get for being non-original. Best keep all deck lists hidden and suprise the crowd so they could adapt the more experiential way.
 
i wish dark gengar was reprinted
cuz then the new hypno and dark gengar would be a monster to beat...
it beat bex.... and unless u have a rigged coin u cant attack half teh time. and u do 20 damage when ur asleep...
but of course u need something to make sleep longer
 
Hero said:
Doesn't it bother you if someone uses your deck (card for card)?
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Hm...

Not really. I think if they have to use my decklist card for card, they probably aren't a very good player. I spent a lot of time perfecting it, put in a lot of hard word, I was not as smart as Mudkip and kept it secret, but if somebody must use my EXACT list (although it may be the best version) to win, then =/ to them. People will disagree with my lists. Some dislike the Spheal and put in a Steven's, some want 4 POR, not three, and some still like my Birch idea.

There's goin to be diversity. Warp Point could work against Meatgross ex (not a typo...I like calling it that ^^), some people will play different starting pokemon, since there are so many to choose from:

Dunsparce
Wynaut
Corsola
Luvdisc
Paras
Castform Rain
Azurill
Igglybuff

There are more...

Some people want more/less energy. There's going to be diversity, some will play BaD MoM, some will play no Milo Kilo, some think only 3/3 Walrein is necessary. See all those options? That's about HALF the changes that could be made.

Doug did an interesting thing in this thread, he posted the RSon decks WITHOUT any non American cards...this really limits their power, and if memory serves, Broked Seal will be released sometime near Nationals (I think it's before, actually - I was told June 4th).

Without ADV6, or w/e...the retro set...base/jungle/fossil anew...you know what I mean...they won't and can't really function properly, so that's pretty much out of the question. Blaziken and Swampert/Cune will be the dominating decks, with Delcatty and Magneton/Blaziken to get back the energy. No nurse CRUSHES Sceptile and makes it virtually useless, IMNSHO. Amphy ex w/o Juggler...problem. Gardevoir, no boost = badness.

Doug, it'd be interesting to see my WalREIGN versus your Math deck (plus and minus.....yeah I'm insane). Play with proxies...I'd like that.

Keep lookin' ahead, it's what gives you the advantage when the new sets come out...

***per
 
No additional comments. I just look down at the whole pre-releasing of deck lists idea ;/ I think 1/2 of this game should be able to come up with creative decks and suprise people. Not much of a suprise when you list decks up months prior to their release.
 
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why are we like planning these decks like 2 months away... no one did this bex or gex or kingdra ex...
i just dont get it.
is it because you guys want to be like... oh im the first to play/make this deck..

that has no value at all, unless you can play/make the best version of it...
theres my 2 cents.
 
Though I can agree with Pokey to a degree, I don't think there actually is a "Best" version of any deck in particular. Every deck is unique, and if one is 5 cards different than the other, and still works at roughly the same speed and everything, Whose to say one is better than the other? One may be better in a mirror match than the other and be able to beat it, but the other may be better against any other kind of deck.

There's too many variables to say one deck is truely better than another. That may just be my opinion.

--Fuji
 
fuji i know what they're saying, but isn't this kind of childish to be thinking of these decks 2-3 months ahead of release...
 
|PoKeY| said:
that has no value at all, unless you can play/make the best version of it...
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Hm...let's think here...who will have the best version of the deck? The people who have playtested it the most! Who's playtested it the most? The people who looked ahead. Lol, in this format, there are a few words that come to mind:

Blaziken wins.

So, with that out of the way, I already know the "standard" RAMBO, BAR, Blazequazza list, I know the Swampert/Cune, the Kingdra, and I know about the format in general. So looking ahead isn't "childish", because there's nothing to DO in this format...Jermy already took BAR, Mudkip took Niniken...there isn't anything original to do anymore, in my opinion. I've looked at cards carefully, but nothing shows up that'll beat Blaziken or make a good show at Worlds.

In RSon, the format is much more balanced, with 4-5 decks competing for power, and there's balance. Patriarch and I are working ahead like crazy, getting a jumpstart on the game, we're going to have a huge advantage playing our respective decks when CC's comes around next year, because the lists will be near-perfect due to playtesting.

Even Mudkip and some others have jumped in on it, but not as thoroughly. By really studying the spoilers hard and finding the combos (before Jermy steals another ;) ), I can pretty much see what the metagame will be, or close to it. I realize all you think this is absolute bull, but it's not. Wait until Worlds 2005, you guys! I will see you there.

***per
 
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