Muk Man's Grinder Deck

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  1. Muk Man

    Muk Man New Member

    :thumb:So after getting pwnd at worlds i got a great idea for a deck. I buitl it tested it and was ready for the grinders. But since i couldnlt go i decided to share it with the Gym

    I call it
    "Solutions"
    Pokemon 20
    4 eevee
    2 umbreon ex
    2 espeon ex
    1 Vaporeon ex
    1 Jolteon ex
    2 Slowpoke
    2 Slowking (UF)
    2 Sableye (Disable)
    1 wooper
    1 Quagsire
    2 Holon Electrode
    1 Jirachi ex
    Trainers 27
    4 Holon Transceivers
    2 Holon mentor
    2 Holon adventurer
    2 Tv Reporter
    3 Prof Elms Training Method
    2 Windstorm
    2 Super Scoop Up
    3 Buffer Piece
    2 Oran Berry
    3 Strength Charm
    2 energy root

    Energy 12
    6 Psychic
    6 Dark (4 regular 2 basic)

    Strategy...

    This is very similar to "Absolutions"
    But the goal of this deck it to simply disrupt you opponent's set-up by using umbreon and sableye to control the board. And take prizes
    Why Slowking????
    The ability to grab certain tools out is very helpful, not only does it thin your deck, but after taking a few prizes with your ex's you have a stage 1 that does 90 a turn, and will only cost you 1 prize should he go down, which is crucial late game

    Match ups
    Mario
    Use slowing and sableye to discard 2 tools to ohko the whole deck turn 3.

    Infernape
    Use umbreon to bring up and ko the delcatty slowing them down, attach a buffer piece to umbreon to help it last 2 turns against infernape, or they will have to waste 2-3 plus powers, which will cost them the later game when you use vappy with strength charm to clean up or oran barry/buffer piece to heal it.

    Ambush
    Use umbreon to bring up the emploeon and put some damage on it, then when they retreat snaptail a prize or go aggressive jolteon for your prizes, as always use slowking late game to clean up.

    Flygon ex
    us umbreon to lock the Flygon delta supply and slow down their energy. then attach a buffer piece to umbreon so the flygon ex will only do 30 damae a turn to your umbreon. watch out for their eveloutions, so if you have the chance to take out an eevee, do it. the tools really help this game

    Absolutions
    Sableye disable FTW, just control the board with umbreon and they will struggle to get anything powered up. Or if you can get an eevee up, just use jirach shield beam...no powers.

    Flaridos
    Jirachi ex shield beam + strength charm=GG no powers+ ohko on aridos
    or just ko all the aridos with slowking turn 2

    Metanite
    Umbreon up the metagross and take it out early to slow them down, with the buffer piece they wont be able to take you out before you kill their stage 2, let vappy help get past those stupid agility flips, and snap tail anything candied to slow them down. They dare not use the mew/lugia against slowking...lol

    This is why i built it for the grinder, after seeing how nats turned out it just hit me in the face, the deck is very consistent because of your ability with slowking to pull out 1 card per turn along with the CFF/Mentor grabbing basics and sableye to help, The quagsire is there to recycle the tools should you need, and if you happen to see a shiftry, it will also help, it also lets you draw 4 with adventurer which helps speed the deck.
    I would like to fit a farmer and or scientist and mabey a 3rd windstorm, but cant find the room. I do have the deck built and like i said it works great i woulda loved to take it to the grinder, but i couldn't spend the money (this year)so i hope someone will try it, and let me know how it goes.
     
  2. Mew*

    Mew* Active Member

    What will you do against Electinite? It is very fast and it can OHKO all of your Eveelutions for an easy two prizes!
     
  3. Chromecatz

    Chromecatz New Member

    eh, just go with an archetype for the grinder imo.
    I really dont think a new deck is right for the grinder.
     
  4. Muk Man

    Muk Man New Member

    Jirachi Shield Punch FTW, no powers no baby evelution but basically gotta umbreon up the dragonites and take out their energy supply. against electabuzz swift doesn't apply weakness so they are really no threat for umbreon and at 70hp in OHKO range with darkness energy or strength charm....But you're right it's a tough match-up but with Mario's strength/popularity, i doubt electanite will do much,
     
  5. ShinyMarshtomp

    ShinyMarshtomp New Member

    It seems that Energy Root will see almost no play, since almost all of your pokémon are ex, and when attached to Slowking it stops its power. Buffer Piece does the same, but better. I'd remove the 2 Energy Root and add 2 of the things you listed in the end of your first post. 8 looks like a good number for the Tools.

    I really liked the deck. And as a player that already used Super Stantler, I'd say that you have really ingenious ideas. Keep up the good work!
     
  6. Muk Man

    Muk Man New Member

    i use energy root on slowking late game after i've gotten all my tools or on quagsire
     
  7. Bolt

    Bolt New Member

    Re: Flygon

    What about R-Gon? And if I'm not mistaken, Swift goes through Buffer Piece either way.

    In my experience, Eeveelutions have a hard time with Flygon decks in general
     
  8. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    Have you ever tried out empoleon/eveelutions with the focus mainly on jolteon ex and espeon ex?

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    oh, forgot to mention that your main attacker is prinplup, not empoleon.
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2007
  9. twitchy lv x

    twitchy lv x New Member

    i like it, but what are you going to do about eggz, i know is probrally going to be a no show, but just saying it could happen, i mean i want you to have the best chances of making it
     
  10. blazekid

    blazekid New Member

    why not use sitrus berry instead of oran
     
  11. mila

    mila New Member

    what's a Grinder?
     
  12. Muk Man

    Muk Man New Member

    against flygon if you trap the flygon d they cant delta supply so they will waste an energy on the active which is gonna die, or you can put it on the bench which gives me a free shot. against the EX the resistence and buffer piece brings to down to 30 from psychic pulse and if prinlup is the main attacker then even better it dies to jolteon turn 2 with strength charm and marrowak is weak to quagsire

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    because sitrus berry doesn't work on EX's and that's where most of the tools will go
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2007
  13. Mew*

    Mew* Active Member

    A grinder is something like Torkoal or Tropius δ. The grinder is the Worlds Final Chance Qualifier. I am under the impression that I just gave the answer to a bad joke though.
     
  14. Alazor

    Alazor Active Member

    ...

    How would this do against BOOM?
    Maybe you could've tried

    -2 TV Reporter
    +1 Scientist
    +1 Farmer or Windstorm

    Then take out Oran Berry and add in 2 more super scoop up or 1 super scoop up and a switch.
    Interesting deck, you might want to add in one holon's voltorb and possibly fit in multi energy.
     
  15. SuicidalPikachu

    SuicidalPikachu New Member

    umbreon ex TOTALS BOOM as well as sableye. LOVE the deck muk, however, i think Buffer piece> energy root. it stops 20 damage, and you cant KO pokemon with Windstorm whereas with energy root you can.
     
  16. Rambo1000

    Rambo1000 New Member

    this loses to banette.
     
  17. Muk Man

    Muk Man New Member

    LOL Sable +umbreon KO's All versions of bannette...plus with darkness energy...lol sorry but it's an auto win against banette not to mention devo flash and houndoom vs vappy is just funny when you grab a strength charm with slowking
     
  18. Pachi

    Pachi New Member

    hey dude nice deck. would takeout both oran beries for one more line of 1-1 quagsire because he is a beast and owns shiftre
     
  19. Muk Man

    Muk Man New Member

    the oran berry helps in the flygon match-up because your umbreon take 30 after the buffer piece, and then next turn you play oran berry and you're at 60, and they cant ko you...so it will take flygon ex 3 turns to ko your umbreon... and thats if the flygon lasts that long... and since it heals after your turn... it cant be windstromed away
     
  20. mila

    mila New Member

    no, thanks for the info!, my friends sayd something about grinder but i dont want to ask what is it :lol:
     
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