ummmmm...i think you'll find that people from all walks of life and all political persuasions homeschool, for many many reasons. despite what 'focus on the family' and their ilk broadcast...
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yoyofsho16
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Since when has this been true?
DarthPika
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The killing of unborn children. :nonono::nonono::nonono:
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Where have you been?? >_>
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The King Of Magikarps
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Actually if Obama wins we could see the complete fall of the Western World as we know it.
Not on the propaganda bus, obviously
drrty byl
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Homeschooling is already discouraged [and made expensive] by parents' inability to opt out of paying a portion of the property taxes that fund a large chunk of the public schooling system in the US...
Given it's been a while, but I don't remember it being all that great of an educational experience, and I attended classes in a pretty well-funded district..
Given it's been a while, but I don't remember it being all that great of an educational experience, and I attended classes in a pretty well-funded district..
As opposed to the past 7 years?
so taking a hands-off position so a woman can make her *own* decision according to her *own* conscience and morals is 'supporting evil'? but yet at the same time obama is being called fascist, in the OP?
wow.
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wow.
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DarthPika
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Why should a woman decide weather or not her baby should live or die? So just because slave owners could make there *own* decision according to there *own* conscience and morals made slavery not evil? :/
The King Of Magikarps
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I 100% support Bush. He has done a better job than either Al Gore or John Kerry would ever do.
yoyofsho16
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I understand your stance on abortion, and I won't argue it, but I don't understand how most people percieve it, and I am hoping you would explain this to me.
Most "Pro-life" (I never liked that phrase, I prefer Anti Abortion and Pro Choice, because it makes it seem like Pro Choice people are not supportive of life, which isn't true) people generally agree that in instances of (PLEASE DONT INFRACT ME IF THIS IS AGAINST THE RULES, I DONT CONSIDER IT PROFANE) ****, abortions are justified, but not in all other cases.
Isn't it still an unborn fetus? Whether it is intended or not, wouldn't it still be the same thing?
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How do you know that? Where is the evidence if they have never been president?
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DarthPika
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You need to be careful here because pro choice DO support abortion. They use the name pro choice for a reason, as it makes it seems like its ok to do.
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I agree with you here.
Actually I'm just glad Clinton is out of the running. She scares me....
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yoyofsho16
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No, they aren't FORCING anyone to have an abortion. They aren't campagning the streets for women to have abortions, they are putting the option out there.
They support the choice, not just abortion. Like yoyo said, they aren't out trying to make women have abortions. They want women to have the choice to have an abortion.
DarthPika
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The problem with that is that they SHOULDN'T have a choice. It is not there body that they are killing, its a living individual, not just some tumor or something that needs to be removed. As I said before, saying that women should have a choice is like saying that the slave owners should have had a choice to keep slaves or not.
how reassuring to know that the already born, autonomous WOMAN doesn't matter when compared to the not yet born (and possibly never, due to miscarriage) embryo possibly within her.
in other words, women are just containers and incubators, not autonomous people in their own right who can be trusted to make important decisions according to their own specific situations, moral code and conscience...
'the handmaids' tale', anyone? =/
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in other words, women are just containers and incubators, not autonomous people in their own right who can be trusted to make important decisions according to their own specific situations, moral code and conscience...
'the handmaids' tale', anyone? =/
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jkwarrior
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When it comes to abortion, the debate always comes down to "is it living inside the mother?"
Here is what I think. Since no one can claim that the creature inside of the mother's womb is 100% not a living creature, logic would say it would be wrong to abort it.
Think about it, if there is a .0000001% chance that it is alive, then how could anyone support murdering it?
Everyone does realize that Obama voted yes on a bill that would legalize partial birth abortion, right? I would explain the graphic nature of partial birth abortion, but then I would get banned.
As far as I am concerned, there never has been and never will be a more important issue.
I will never understand the logic behind abortion.
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So the baby gets absolutely no say in its death?
Here is what I think. Since no one can claim that the creature inside of the mother's womb is 100% not a living creature, logic would say it would be wrong to abort it.
Think about it, if there is a .0000001% chance that it is alive, then how could anyone support murdering it?
Everyone does realize that Obama voted yes on a bill that would legalize partial birth abortion, right? I would explain the graphic nature of partial birth abortion, but then I would get banned.
As far as I am concerned, there never has been and never will be a more important issue.
I will never understand the logic behind abortion.
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So the baby gets absolutely no say in its death?
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I can't say that I agree with everything Obama says, but at the same time, things can't get too much worse. Now, it seems that most people look at community service as a punishment, something you do when you get in trouble and have to "suffer" for what you did. If Obama's idea of community service was some sort of way to lower the cost of going to public schools, it would be a great idea.
Now, I come from a pretty low class family, and I got free lunches throughout most of my school career, just because there wasn't much of a way for us to afford things. Also, my school fees were taken care of by the school, because I couldn't afford them as well. Having to come up with supplies, general fees, and every other thing needed for a school year costs money. If students were able to take care of fees like this by doing volunteer work, that would be great.
Colleges offer similar things to this as well, usually in the form of work study.
I think making chances to volunteer more available to the general public are a good idea, but forcing it on people.....not so much.
And on the abortion issue:
Is it right to have some guy.....who isn't even capable of housing a baby, tell a woman whether or not it is right to abort the baby or not? I could almost guarantee that almost any of the males on here would not follow through with having a child if they were to become pregnant. While I don't agree with many of the "excuses" that people use to get an abortion, I do agree that **** is a probable reason. Why should a woman have no choice in the matter if they had no control over the situation?
Now, I come from a pretty low class family, and I got free lunches throughout most of my school career, just because there wasn't much of a way for us to afford things. Also, my school fees were taken care of by the school, because I couldn't afford them as well. Having to come up with supplies, general fees, and every other thing needed for a school year costs money. If students were able to take care of fees like this by doing volunteer work, that would be great.
Colleges offer similar things to this as well, usually in the form of work study.
I think making chances to volunteer more available to the general public are a good idea, but forcing it on people.....not so much.
And on the abortion issue:
Is it right to have some guy.....who isn't even capable of housing a baby, tell a woman whether or not it is right to abort the baby or not? I could almost guarantee that almost any of the males on here would not follow through with having a child if they were to become pregnant. While I don't agree with many of the "excuses" that people use to get an abortion, I do agree that **** is a probable reason. Why should a woman have no choice in the matter if they had no control over the situation?
DarthPika
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Why is the born more important then the unborn? That unborn will one day be born, and basicly what you said is that the born person has more of a right to live then the unborn person.... I don't understand that logic.
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You win this thread sir.
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jkwarrior
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Forced volunteer time is self contradicting.
It is also as illogical as something else that he supports. Universal healthcare...take from rich who earned their money and give to the poor. Eliminate competition and incentive; the things that got us where we are today.
btw, this is coming from someone who lives in a trailer and grew up on free lunch at school.
It is also as illogical as something else that he supports. Universal healthcare...take from rich who earned their money and give to the poor. Eliminate competition and incentive; the things that got us where we are today.
btw, this is coming from someone who lives in a trailer and grew up on free lunch at school.
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