Yes, I've played G&G with both Absol and Stantler. Both are great, but I personally like Stntler more. I only have 2 Furret, and so I can't play that version. However, I MAY test G&G with Furret and Pachi, but the Stantler version is very good. But, look. Senret start. No Furret in my hand. I get one extra card. They get a Suporter. I get an extra card, a Ceilio's, finally. Then, they Candy Ralts to Gallade, and attach another Psychic Energy. You get a Furret out, and Keen Eye for a Gallade and Candy. They attach another Energy, bring up Gallade, KO. Now, they are ahead of Prizes. You can KO my Gallade, but then I can still have a Gardevoir ready or something. And you have to flip 4 Prizes to KO me. Really, there are better Starters then Furret.
Pachirisu is overrated
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hitmonchan93
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Metal resistance stopped it from being ohko'd by Magnezone, and I actually ko'd 3 Pokemon with ol' Patchy in the actual tournament so I wouldn't call that a wasted bench space imo. If they want to ko it BE MY GUEST! People who have got a set up by then with Patchy will probably have Scrambles ready in hand to drop in the arena.
chriscobi634
New Member
ok think of:
4 pachi as mentor
4 celio as what ever you searched your pokemon with last year: PETM, Research, Celio.
Delcatty, Poryzon2, Furret, or Claydol as your holon adventurer, definitely better as it doesn't take up your supporter turn.
Now with that being said, the Pachi engine is just as good as the holon engine if not better with your searcher.
I don't think that if I made my Tsunami list with the Holon engine and no pachirisu, but instead H. castform and totodile D if their were Delta Species Skitties and Magnemites, it wouldn't be any better. Just about the same.
I don't know if I said this but when you start off with Pachi and get those specific 3 basic pokemon, it not only sets the base of your deck up, but it improves your straight draw as well. Like instead of Energy drawing into your basics (which could still happen) your straight draw into your other Stage 1s or your candies or your supporters or you energies, you get my point.
Now look everyone in the face and still say that Pachi is overrated, I dare you.
SuperWooper
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A few things:
1) I did a quick ctrl-F for "Cessation Crystal", and that phrase was nowhere to be found in your article, Prime. Pachi's second attack lessens or completely eliminates the need for Windstorm in a well-put-together list, which saves space.
2) If you use a Pokemon like Stantler to set up, you're not getting Baltoy/Skitty/whatever down until Turn 2, which means Claydol/Delcatty/whatever isn't coming out until T3. In mirror matches, whoever gets the faster Claydol can be a big factor.
3) I've seen lists that will run 1 Stantler to get back to after Pachirisu has had his fun. Granted, the majority of tournament-caliber lists running that 1 Stantler is going to be smaller than those that aren't. But the option's there, so starting Pachi doesn't irrevocably cripple you all of the time.
It seems like this article was written for the sole purpose of being controversial. It certainly accomplishes that goal.
Pachirisu is one of, if not the, best starters in the format right now.
1) I did a quick ctrl-F for "Cessation Crystal", and that phrase was nowhere to be found in your article, Prime. Pachi's second attack lessens or completely eliminates the need for Windstorm in a well-put-together list, which saves space.
2) If you use a Pokemon like Stantler to set up, you're not getting Baltoy/Skitty/whatever down until Turn 2, which means Claydol/Delcatty/whatever isn't coming out until T3. In mirror matches, whoever gets the faster Claydol can be a big factor.
3) I've seen lists that will run 1 Stantler to get back to after Pachirisu has had his fun. Granted, the majority of tournament-caliber lists running that 1 Stantler is going to be smaller than those that aren't. But the option's there, so starting Pachi doesn't irrevocably cripple you all of the time.
It seems like this article was written for the sole purpose of being controversial. It certainly accomplishes that goal.
Pachirisu is one of, if not the, best starters in the format right now.
Regis_Neo
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Though I don't necessarily think that Pachirisu is "overrated", I do agree with much of the points in your article there. Funny enough, I used my 1 teched in Pachirisu's Smash Short once in a match in States, which I thought was funny because like you said, for the most part he was easy pickings for Magmotar (which I had the misfortune of having to battle 3/5 battles). Besides, Windstorm is arguably as good since you don't have to pay Energy for it and it'll also get rid of Stadiums (though you can't search their hand for Tools of the same name; besides, how likely is it your opponent is going to have another Tool of the same name in their hand anyways?). And like you said, there are cards that fulfill what CFF does (namely, Holon Mentor and Roseanne's Research).
That aside, Tool useage imo will probably die next format anyways imo; without a solid way (for now) of searching out Tools (Lapras isn't exactly thrilling), or even having good tools for that matter; I mean, Amulet Coin and Leftovers are fun, but not as powerful or worth running as, say, Cessation Crystal. Drawing a card with Amulet Coin can be useful, but Leftovers more often than not isn't; usually, 10 HP won't make a difference in getting a KO next turn. There will be no point in even using Tools unless they either reprint something like Cessation Crystal and something that makes them acessable other than randomly drawing them; otherwise, they will play a minor role, leaving Pachirisu's Smash Short as a worthless attack.
I guess overall Pachirisu might have a role in some decks, but overall isn't for everyone, nor is everyone even running it for that matter.
That aside, Tool useage imo will probably die next format anyways imo; without a solid way (for now) of searching out Tools (Lapras isn't exactly thrilling), or even having good tools for that matter; I mean, Amulet Coin and Leftovers are fun, but not as powerful or worth running as, say, Cessation Crystal. Drawing a card with Amulet Coin can be useful, but Leftovers more often than not isn't; usually, 10 HP won't make a difference in getting a KO next turn. There will be no point in even using Tools unless they either reprint something like Cessation Crystal and something that makes them acessable other than randomly drawing them; otherwise, they will play a minor role, leaving Pachirisu's Smash Short as a worthless attack.
I guess overall Pachirisu might have a role in some decks, but overall isn't for everyone, nor is everyone even running it for that matter.
Pachi is definitly one of our best Starters we've got, but remember - you're probally going to get at least one other Basic along with your Starter, so that means Pachi will probally fill your Bench up to 4 Basics. Tons of Basics isn't everything. If you have a bunch of Ralts and Pachis, and your opponent has two Gallades and a Gardevoir X or two, who's going to win? Your opponent. With Pachi, you rely on topdecking. Witrh Stantler, you don't. Stantler, IMO, is the more consistent version.
SuperWooper
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With Pachi and no supporters you certainly do rely on topdecking. With Pachi and Celio's Network, you're better off than you would have been if you had started Stantler.
chriscobi634
New Member
I honestly think sometimes he does it just to get more post on the gym. How can someone say that Majectic Dawn isn't going to have an impact on this format? Regardless of what's in it. The combos will be much better as it is another set, a few combos rose form this set like the Flygon EX (PK) and a different version of Tsunami. We already know that we'll be getting the Eeveelutions and Garchomp Lv. X those cards in itself will shake up the format a whole lot.
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then why do people run plus powers and strength charms?
If you think that 10 HP isn't much in this game, that Pachi is overrated and Majectic Dawn isn't going to impact the metagame" that much" then I must feel like someone has to give you guys some personal pokemon lessons.
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toxictaipan
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I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you here. Pachirisu is not a bad card. Look at it this way...
You cannot use any Trainer/Suporter if you go fisrt right? Let's see, Pachirisu, turn 1, I go first, basicly Holon Mentor without drawback and I can use it if I go first.
Another thing, if it was not a "good" starter then why is most everyone using it? Look at it this way, if people didn't need to have so many Benched Pokemon, then they wouldn't run Pachirisu. If they tought they had a better alternative, they would run it. It's personal choice. Just because someone chooses Pachirisu>Holon Mentor, doesn't automaticaly make Pachirisu a "bad" card.
Just because you or anyone else doesn't think a card is "good" or doesn't like a card, doesn't mean that it's not "good".
Look at Absol for instants, people honestly think it should be BANED, just because he can discard a card from your opponent's hand. No one said I have to pick a Trainer/Suppoter/Stadium when I Baleful Wind. I got lucky, that's all.
I mean really, just because anyone thinks that a card isn't "good" doesn't mean they're right.
Trust me when I say this, people wouldn't use Pachirisu if it wasn't "good" 'nuff.
If Gardilade wasn't a "good" deck, then no one would use it. But it is, and that's why most everyone uses it. Same with Pachirisu.
You cannot use any Trainer/Suporter if you go fisrt right? Let's see, Pachirisu, turn 1, I go first, basicly Holon Mentor without drawback and I can use it if I go first.
Another thing, if it was not a "good" starter then why is most everyone using it? Look at it this way, if people didn't need to have so many Benched Pokemon, then they wouldn't run Pachirisu. If they tought they had a better alternative, they would run it. It's personal choice. Just because someone chooses Pachirisu>Holon Mentor, doesn't automaticaly make Pachirisu a "bad" card.
Just because you or anyone else doesn't think a card is "good" or doesn't like a card, doesn't mean that it's not "good".
Look at Absol for instants, people honestly think it should be BANED, just because he can discard a card from your opponent's hand. No one said I have to pick a Trainer/Suppoter/Stadium when I Baleful Wind. I got lucky, that's all.
I mean really, just because anyone thinks that a card isn't "good" doesn't mean they're right.
Trust me when I say this, people wouldn't use Pachirisu if it wasn't "good" 'nuff.
If Gardilade wasn't a "good" deck, then no one would use it. But it is, and that's why most everyone uses it. Same with Pachirisu.
~Blazi-King~
Active Member
I think what were forgetting heres is that the first turn, may be the most important turn. So with respect to that I personally believe that Pachi is THE best card as a starter.
Had it not been for that first turn of grabbing basics (and evo's and evo searching trainers, ready to go on T2) at OK States Saturday, I would have not managed a 8-1 record. In fact I would have been 4-2, missing the Top 8 Cut altogether.
I was also, able to hit for 40 and discard a tool, in 2 games. I also managed 40, against a water deck.
So, in closing....Pachi is not as useless as ya might think!
Had it not been for that first turn of grabbing basics (and evo's and evo searching trainers, ready to go on T2) at OK States Saturday, I would have not managed a 8-1 record. In fact I would have been 4-2, missing the Top 8 Cut altogether.
I was also, able to hit for 40 and discard a tool, in 2 games. I also managed 40, against a water deck.
So, in closing....Pachi is not as useless as ya might think!
Tego
New Member
Having experienced Pachirisu in all tournaments I've been to (although I haven't been to as many as I wished I could have, because of my busy university schedule) since it was released in October, I want to give my input.
Pachirisu is a 70HP electric basic Pokemon. It has weakness +20 to fighting, -20 resistance to metal, and 1 retreat. Pachirisu has 2 attacks, Call for Family and Smash Short.
Sounds great so far!
Call for Family is nice, but what does it do after your bench is full?
Hope your opponent is silly enough to knock it out, or if he does nothing, just do 10 damage until the opponent is almost knocked out. Or in the worst case scenario, retreat it for something useful that doesn't KO (so you still get the Scramble) and reuse Pachirisu later in the game when you need bench space and can afford to offer one prize to the opponent. Or just hope he brings it downs or snipes it.
In today's environment with decks filled with multiple lines, each bench space is precious. If you decide to just leave it active and let it get KO'd, you might be surprised when it doesn't get KO'd and you lose the game because your opponent sniped your bench to death and you gave them too much time to setup.
If you keep your Pachirisu there and let your opponent snipe your whole bench without taking any action, there must been a grave flaw in your strategic thinking.
Smash Short does [...]
Sounds great, right?
It sure does!
I can't speak for the community, but I am going to guess that this didn't happen that much, if any at all.
Why do you always post long "controversial" rants based on guesses and not actual experience? Why do you insist to keep on misinforming new players on this board in a friendly and seemingly scientific tone just for the pure stubbornness of your own annoyance at the "elite players" posting the real facts in a not-so-friendly way?
The format is ruled by 2 decks, Gardy/Gallade(Furret/Absol/random tech) and Magmortar/Typhlosion/Delcatty(Claydol/Blaziken/random tech). What tools do these decks play? Does either of these decks play Buffer Pieces? Nope. Does either of these [...]
Yes. It's not used all the time, it is very situational, but it's still USEFUL. Why? Instead of focusing on how this attack doesn't help your matchup against two of the best decks in the format, try picturing yourself Pachirisu with just one attack. Just Call For Family. People would still play it, and use Pachirisu for Call for Family and nothing else. But Pachirisu happens to have this extra - and situational - attack, and how is that not a good thing? If you once during your tournament removed an Unown G or Cessation Crystal using Smash Short, then that's better than there being no second attack.
And although the best decks don't use Cessation Crystal, there still are some random decks that do. And at a big tournament like States, with many Swiss rounds, of course you will meet some random decks too. Many good players have told me how one very random match-up with an average-level player can be crucial, and harder to beat than a match against a great player with a "normal" deck. One of the things that can mess things up for you is facing an old Empoleon deck with some quick Cessations or a deck starting with Absol and Cessation. These decks might not make the top cut, but they might meet you in Swiss, and if they ruin your start in a way you aren't prepared for, it might become that one annoying donk loss you didn't want that day. If you find yourself facing an early Cessation that denies your T2 Claydol or Delcatty, it's annoying because you might think "but Cessation isn't good anymore, nobody plays it, but with no searcher for Windstorm (opposed to Cessation, which has the searcher Castaway), you might struggle to remove it. When Pachirisu can remove it, and Pachirisu has instant searchers to get it, like Celio and Roseanne's (in case you didn't start with it for some reason), how is that not good against these match-ups?
Back in the days, even the best player could lose to an early Trap or Lass that his start hand wasn't prepared for. Same with Wager and Cessation now, they might slow you down, and they increase the luck factor because they increase the dependency on the top draw. When Pachirisu, our wonderful Call For Family squirrel, has an extra bonus attack that decreases luck factor and donk danger, why not just be happy about it, even if you used it once in 6 Swiss rounds?
Honestly, I feel it to be true.
"I feel it to be true" sounds convincing to me. You won me over.
I think history shows this to be true, and I think our current collection of cards shows this to be true too.
History shows that Pachirisu has done fairly well in the 4 months since it was released in Japan. Not every deck put it into use, but quite a few successful decks did. I'm not going to mention how I said the same about Claydol in Japan too and how Claydol was in winning lists in the first weekend of States, because that would be immature of me.
DX Jirachi stayed popular the entire format of DX-on. Even though there was also a card like Dunsparce in the format (Plusle), DX Jirachi was usually the starter for many decks.
The only LBS list that ever won Worlds used Plusle instead of Jirachi.
I'm half-way kidding here, but one shouldn't underestimate the deck building of the Yanos. I personally believe Jirachi is superior to Plusle though, but what is your point? Plusle grabs two Basics, so did Tauros. They were OK, never great. Dunsparce was great. The reason why people are rejoicing now is because we finally got a new Dunsparce (grab three) and not a new Plusle/Tauros (grab two).
That was years ago...what about now?
You'd be surprised how similar the format is now to how it was around DX-on. Decks now have MANY ways to grab basics from the deck. Here is a list of all the trainers/supporters that can grab basics from the deck and are legal right now:
Because Pachirisu is a Pokémon and not a Trainer. And once again, this looks like theory to me. Nothing but theory.
The answer: We don’t.
Blissey/Banette decks might not need it. Magmortar does. With your grand statements like this, you are misinforming the players who come here to learn how to become a better player. IMO you are once again doing nothing but increasing the gap between the average player and the elitist player, a gap that I want to see decreased on the Pokégym, not increased even more.
The only deck that actually used a starter that could grab basics was Magmortar, and that used Corsola. I feel Corsola had the same problems Pachirisu has, and I think one of the main reasons behind its use was the tactic to let it get KO’d and then Scramble a Magmortar to spread damage or hit for big damage. But that can be accomplished with any starter, and wouldn’t the opponent try to KO a constant help starter like Stantler more than trying to counter a starter like Corsola that becomes useless on turn 3? I think so.
Yes, but Stantler doesn't let you grab three Basics on the first turn followed by a Celio for Delcatty the next turn. It takes him at least two turns to accomplish the same thing, and since nobody is playing Mentor (but Roseanne instead), it basically takes Stantler three turns. He's a good Pokémon, but IMO not the best in Magmortar.
There is not a big difference between using Pachirisu to grab 3 basics and using Stantler to grab Roseanne’s Research and using that the turn after to grab 2 basics (or any combination of basic pokemon and basic energy cards). Sure, sometimes you need the basic that turn, but the days of fast rush decks is coming to an end, and the opponent will usually not be able to OHKO your active pokemon on T2 or T3.
Of course there is a difference! It means you are using your T2 (or T1 if you go second) to get Basics with your Supporter, instead of getting your evolutions with Celio or generic draw with TV Reporter etc.
Okay. In conclusion, Pachirisu isn’t needed, and really isn’t that useful as a starter. It is great at grabbing basics, but there are many trainers in the format that can do the same thing.
Once I read the words "grabbing basics, but there are", the only word(s) appearing next that could have justified your logic would be the word(s) "Basic Pokémon". But that word didn't appear, because there is no other Basic Pokémon in the whole format that's quite like Pachirisu. It is unique in every way, and a 10/10 card, 5/5 if you will.
Are you serious now? Why would you rather want to play Corsola than Pachirisu? Unless your metagame consists of nothing but Speed Lucario that knocks out Pachirisus T2, I see no reason to choose Corsola.
Once again, I think you've come up with a strange theory just for the sake of being unique and against the "mainstream opinion", and that you have backed it up with strange arguments to create a big wall of text that will just confuse and mislead new/younger players who because of your writing style and Moderator status and following sense of authority believe that you have the reliability that you in my eyes don't.
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Very true. From my opinion it's the Pachirisu/Claydol "engine" (Pokémon are not engines) consisting of 2-2 Claydol and 3 or 4 Pachirisu that were played in Japan that made Absol die.
Amen.
This was especially true for Japan, where there are enough good Cessation decks for Power decks to still run up to 4 Windstorms. When you usually have 3-4 starters, 4 Windstorm and 4 Roseanne in your deck, making those starter Pachirisus lets you cut down both Roseanne and Windstorm to 2, open up FOUR new spaces in your deck.
Pachirisu is a 70HP electric basic Pokemon. It has weakness +20 to fighting, -20 resistance to metal, and 1 retreat. Pachirisu has 2 attacks, Call for Family and Smash Short.
Sounds great so far!
Call for Family is nice, but what does it do after your bench is full?
Hope your opponent is silly enough to knock it out, or if he does nothing, just do 10 damage until the opponent is almost knocked out. Or in the worst case scenario, retreat it for something useful that doesn't KO (so you still get the Scramble) and reuse Pachirisu later in the game when you need bench space and can afford to offer one prize to the opponent. Or just hope he brings it downs or snipes it.
In today's environment with decks filled with multiple lines, each bench space is precious. If you decide to just leave it active and let it get KO'd, you might be surprised when it doesn't get KO'd and you lose the game because your opponent sniped your bench to death and you gave them too much time to setup.
If you keep your Pachirisu there and let your opponent snipe your whole bench without taking any action, there must been a grave flaw in your strategic thinking.
Smash Short does [...]
Sounds great, right?
It sure does!
I can't speak for the community, but I am going to guess that this didn't happen that much, if any at all.
Why do you always post long "controversial" rants based on guesses and not actual experience? Why do you insist to keep on misinforming new players on this board in a friendly and seemingly scientific tone just for the pure stubbornness of your own annoyance at the "elite players" posting the real facts in a not-so-friendly way?
The format is ruled by 2 decks, Gardy/Gallade(Furret/Absol/random tech) and Magmortar/Typhlosion/Delcatty(Claydol/Blaziken/random tech). What tools do these decks play? Does either of these decks play Buffer Pieces? Nope. Does either of these [...]
Yes. It's not used all the time, it is very situational, but it's still USEFUL. Why? Instead of focusing on how this attack doesn't help your matchup against two of the best decks in the format, try picturing yourself Pachirisu with just one attack. Just Call For Family. People would still play it, and use Pachirisu for Call for Family and nothing else. But Pachirisu happens to have this extra - and situational - attack, and how is that not a good thing? If you once during your tournament removed an Unown G or Cessation Crystal using Smash Short, then that's better than there being no second attack.
And although the best decks don't use Cessation Crystal, there still are some random decks that do. And at a big tournament like States, with many Swiss rounds, of course you will meet some random decks too. Many good players have told me how one very random match-up with an average-level player can be crucial, and harder to beat than a match against a great player with a "normal" deck. One of the things that can mess things up for you is facing an old Empoleon deck with some quick Cessations or a deck starting with Absol and Cessation. These decks might not make the top cut, but they might meet you in Swiss, and if they ruin your start in a way you aren't prepared for, it might become that one annoying donk loss you didn't want that day. If you find yourself facing an early Cessation that denies your T2 Claydol or Delcatty, it's annoying because you might think "but Cessation isn't good anymore, nobody plays it, but with no searcher for Windstorm (opposed to Cessation, which has the searcher Castaway), you might struggle to remove it. When Pachirisu can remove it, and Pachirisu has instant searchers to get it, like Celio and Roseanne's (in case you didn't start with it for some reason), how is that not good against these match-ups?
Back in the days, even the best player could lose to an early Trap or Lass that his start hand wasn't prepared for. Same with Wager and Cessation now, they might slow you down, and they increase the luck factor because they increase the dependency on the top draw. When Pachirisu, our wonderful Call For Family squirrel, has an extra bonus attack that decreases luck factor and donk danger, why not just be happy about it, even if you used it once in 6 Swiss rounds?
Honestly, I feel it to be true.
"I feel it to be true" sounds convincing to me. You won me over.
I think history shows this to be true, and I think our current collection of cards shows this to be true too.
History shows that Pachirisu has done fairly well in the 4 months since it was released in Japan. Not every deck put it into use, but quite a few successful decks did. I'm not going to mention how I said the same about Claydol in Japan too and how Claydol was in winning lists in the first weekend of States, because that would be immature of me.
DX Jirachi stayed popular the entire format of DX-on. Even though there was also a card like Dunsparce in the format (Plusle), DX Jirachi was usually the starter for many decks.
The only LBS list that ever won Worlds used Plusle instead of Jirachi.
I'm half-way kidding here, but one shouldn't underestimate the deck building of the Yanos. I personally believe Jirachi is superior to Plusle though, but what is your point? Plusle grabs two Basics, so did Tauros. They were OK, never great. Dunsparce was great. The reason why people are rejoicing now is because we finally got a new Dunsparce (grab three) and not a new Plusle/Tauros (grab two).That was years ago...what about now?
You'd be surprised how similar the format is now to how it was around DX-on. Decks now have MANY ways to grab basics from the deck. Here is a list of all the trainers/supporters that can grab basics from the deck and are legal right now:
- ·Celio's Network (Crystal Guardians - Trainer - 73)
- ·Dual Ball (Crystal Guardians - Trainer - 78)
- ·Dusk Ball (Mysterious Treasures - Trainer - 110)
- ·Great Ball (Power Keepers - Trainer - 77)
- ·Holon Mentor (Dragon Frontiers - Trainer - 75)
- ·Master Ball (Power Keepers - Trainer - 78)
- ·Poke Ball (Crystal Guardians - Trainer - 82)
- ·Pokemon Fan Club (OP Series 4 - Trainer - 9)
- ·Quick Ball (Mysterious Treasures - Trainer - 114)
- ·Bebe’s Search (Secret Wonders – Trainer – 119)
- ·Roseanne’s Research (Secret Wonders – Trainer – 125)
Because Pachirisu is a Pokémon and not a Trainer. And once again, this looks like theory to me. Nothing but theory.
The answer: We don’t.
Blissey/Banette decks might not need it. Magmortar does. With your grand statements like this, you are misinforming the players who come here to learn how to become a better player. IMO you are once again doing nothing but increasing the gap between the average player and the elitist player, a gap that I want to see decreased on the Pokégym, not increased even more.
The only deck that actually used a starter that could grab basics was Magmortar, and that used Corsola. I feel Corsola had the same problems Pachirisu has, and I think one of the main reasons behind its use was the tactic to let it get KO’d and then Scramble a Magmortar to spread damage or hit for big damage. But that can be accomplished with any starter, and wouldn’t the opponent try to KO a constant help starter like Stantler more than trying to counter a starter like Corsola that becomes useless on turn 3? I think so.
Yes, but Stantler doesn't let you grab three Basics on the first turn followed by a Celio for Delcatty the next turn. It takes him at least two turns to accomplish the same thing, and since nobody is playing Mentor (but Roseanne instead), it basically takes Stantler three turns. He's a good Pokémon, but IMO not the best in Magmortar.
There is not a big difference between using Pachirisu to grab 3 basics and using Stantler to grab Roseanne’s Research and using that the turn after to grab 2 basics (or any combination of basic pokemon and basic energy cards). Sure, sometimes you need the basic that turn, but the days of fast rush decks is coming to an end, and the opponent will usually not be able to OHKO your active pokemon on T2 or T3.
Of course there is a difference! It means you are using your T2 (or T1 if you go second) to get Basics with your Supporter, instead of getting your evolutions with Celio or generic draw with TV Reporter etc.
Okay. In conclusion, Pachirisu isn’t needed, and really isn’t that useful as a starter. It is great at grabbing basics, but there are many trainers in the format that can do the same thing.
Once I read the words "grabbing basics, but there are", the only word(s) appearing next that could have justified your logic would be the word(s) "Basic Pokémon". But that word didn't appear, because there is no other Basic Pokémon in the whole format that's quite like Pachirisu. It is unique in every way, and a 10/10 card, 5/5 if you will.
Are you serious now? Why would you rather want to play Corsola than Pachirisu? Unless your metagame consists of nothing but Speed Lucario that knocks out Pachirisus T2, I see no reason to choose Corsola.
Once again, I think you've come up with a strange theory just for the sake of being unique and against the "mainstream opinion", and that you have backed it up with strange arguments to create a big wall of text that will just confuse and mislead new/younger players who because of your writing style and Moderator status and following sense of authority believe that you have the reliability that you in my eyes don't.
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Very true. From my opinion it's the Pachirisu/Claydol "engine" (Pokémon are not engines
) consisting of 2-2 Claydol and 3 or 4 Pachirisu that were played in Japan that made Absol die.Amen.
This was especially true for Japan, where there are enough good Cessation decks for Power decks to still run up to 4 Windstorms. When you usually have 3-4 starters, 4 Windstorm and 4 Roseanne in your deck, making those starter Pachirisus lets you cut down both Roseanne and Windstorm to 2, open up FOUR new spaces in your deck.
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Pachi is a good starter for the same reason that Dunsparce was a good starter and for a similar reason that Plusle (and others) were NOT good starters.
It gets you more.
3 Basics out of a good, consistently built deck is an amazing option. It thins your deck so that you are spending more time drawing into Trainers, Supporters, and Evolutions, rather than Basics. It gives you the ability to evolve turn two, while other options delay the evolution process until turn 3. Oh, and did I mention the T1 Trainer ban? How good are your Trainers when you can't use them half the time on your first turn? Absol isn't dead. Claydol was a hand gun to the stomach, not a nail in the coffin. You can survive a hand gun to the stomach given good medical care. I know that I still fear Absol, and so does the rest of my League (mostly because I play it). Getting a Supporter against Absol is simply asking for bad things to happen. While CFF thins your deck, lessens the options against you, and fills your bench.
I'm not necessarily saying that Pachi >>> ALL in all occasions. I personally think that Pachi and Stantler are equally good and the two best starters in the format. It largely depends on how you want to play as to which you choose for your deck. I prefer lots of speed and not having to rely on my opponent not getting lucky, so I run Pachi. Others like the control and consistency at the expense of speed that Stantler gives. Heck, my deck runs a mix of 6 Pachi and Stantler just so that I can start with some kind of acceleration as often as possible.
It gets you more.
3 Basics out of a good, consistently built deck is an amazing option. It thins your deck so that you are spending more time drawing into Trainers, Supporters, and Evolutions, rather than Basics. It gives you the ability to evolve turn two, while other options delay the evolution process until turn 3. Oh, and did I mention the T1 Trainer ban? How good are your Trainers when you can't use them half the time on your first turn? Absol isn't dead. Claydol was a hand gun to the stomach, not a nail in the coffin. You can survive a hand gun to the stomach given good medical care. I know that I still fear Absol, and so does the rest of my League (mostly because I play it). Getting a Supporter against Absol is simply asking for bad things to happen. While CFF thins your deck, lessens the options against you, and fills your bench.
I'm not necessarily saying that Pachi >>> ALL in all occasions. I personally think that Pachi and Stantler are equally good and the two best starters in the format. It largely depends on how you want to play as to which you choose for your deck. I prefer lots of speed and not having to rely on my opponent not getting lucky, so I run Pachi. Others like the control and consistency at the expense of speed that Stantler gives. Heck, my deck runs a mix of 6 Pachi and Stantler just so that I can start with some kind of acceleration as often as possible.
Scipio
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You make a good point, but you seem to overestimate all the other starters. Pachirisu makes it so much easier to also play single card techs because he can get them whenever needed whilst not wasting your supporter.
There is no way that Pachirisu/Celio is better than the Holon Engine. Transceiver was broken, and being able to search your discard/deck for any holon supporter was messed up. You don't have any searching capabilities with Pachirisu and with only 4 Celio, you aren't even guaranteed to draw into it by T2.
That is something I think many people overestimate. Pachi is so good because I can get a T2 Claydol. But how many times do you actually get the Celio on T2? You only run 2-2 Claydol, the chances of drawing into a 6/60 cards in your deck are kind of slim, especially with no draw on T1 (unless you went second, and then you had one turn of supporter use). I've encountered many instances where Pachirisu has grabbed me basics and I've sit there until I pulled that Celio. Sure, Pachirisu is faster, but Stantler is more precise in that it can grab you the Celio T1 to use T2.
Hope your opponent is silly enough to knock it out, or if he does nothing, just do 10 damage until the opponent is almost knocked out. Or in the worst case scenario, retreat it for something useful that doesn't KO (so you still get the Scramble) and reuse Pachirisu later in the game when you need bench space and can afford to offer one prize to the opponent. Or just hope he brings it downs or snipes it.
Other than Magmortar spreading damage, I can't think of any other attackers in GG/Magmortar that can attack and not KO. How do you tell GG to retreat Pachirisu and send up a pokemon that does KO? You don't. That is how the game is right now (in the USA), you KO, every turn, all the time. If you can't OHKO stuff, you lose.
Hope your opponent is silly enough to knock it out? Let's be reasonable here. If you are sitting there doing nothing with a Pachirisu (while you are setting up with Claydol, etc), your opponent is setting up too. Your opponent isn't going to attack first and take the first prize, they are going to wait for you to do it. Pachirisu just gets in the way then, because you are forced to retreat and then it takes up a spot on the bench.
"Or just hope he bring downs or snipes it" I think that is pretty funny. You hope the opponent clears it off the bench. That's how much of a problem Pachirisu becomes mid-late game. Sure, any basic can be troublesome too, but I think the opponent would be more likely to KO a Stantler, which is feeding you the Celio you need every turn, than KO a Pachirisu that is hitting him for 10 damage after T2.
Why do you always post long "controversial" rants based on guesses and not actual experience? Why do you insist to keep on misinforming new players on this board in a friendly and seemingly scientific tone just for the pure stubbornness of your own annoyance at the "elite players" posting the real facts in a not-so-friendly way?
I wouldn't have posted this if I hadn't have played with Pachirisu myself. You assume I have no actual experience with it, but I have tested the card out and have seen the trends I end up with it.
I don't define what is "controversial", you define that. I post my opinion when I think it is needed. If you don't like it, or think it's "controversial", then that is your problem, not mine. I am very proud to post my opinion, even if it is controversial, because not many people actually take the time to look at the format and critique the cards everyone adores and loves. Many players just hop on the bandwagon and play what everyone else is playing. If it makes me weird that I play devil's advocate and dissect the cards everyone adores, then I am fine being weird.
I am not misinforming players Tego, I am expressing my opinion. If players take Pachirisu out of their decks, it is not because I forced them too. I do not force them to read my posts, and I do not force them to go along with what I say. If they choose to take what I say at 100% truth and not try to think about it, then it is there fault.
I cannot control what the "elite" players do. If they want to debate this idea in a reasonable, respectful manor, I am up for it. If they choose to not approach this like that, then why am I held responsible for it? I don't even remember using the word elite anywhere in my post.
Tego, if you have a problem with me, which clearly it seems you do, then PM me and we can talk about it like men.
Yes. It's not used all the time, it is very situational, but it's still USEFUL. Why? Instead of focusing on how this attack doesn't help your matchup against two of the best decks in the format, try picturing yourself Pachirisu with just one attack. Just Call For Family. People would still play it, and use Pachirisu for Call for Family and nothing else. But Pachirisu happens to have this extra - and situational - attack, and how is that not a good thing? If you once during your tournament removed an Unown G or Cessation Crystal using Smash Short, then that's better than there being no second attack.
The only reason I wrote about Smash Short being not that useful is because Smash Short was one of the reasons it was so hyped in the first place. Grabbing basics was nothing new, we've seen multiple pokemon that could do the same, but people were so attached to using Smash Short against their opponents and not needing Windstorms anymore, and it was one of the biggest reasons people were supporting the card. I was just expressing that Smash Short rarely comes in good use against the two big decks right now.
And although the best decks don't use Cessation Crystal, there still are some random decks that do. And at a big tournament like States, with many Swiss rounds, of course you will meet some random decks too. Many good players have told me how one very random match-up with an average-level player can be crucial, and harder to beat than a match against a great player with a "normal" deck.
You make a good point, and you are right that Smash Short has potential to come in more use against rogue decks that you face in the Swiss rounds. What I argue is if making a deck better for the swiss rounds is the best idea, or should you focus on making the deck better for the top cut? Because in the top cut, you won't run into as many rogue decks, and Smash Short will not be as useful.
When Pachirisu, our wonderful Call For Family squirrel, has an extra bonus attack that decreases luck factor and donk danger, why not just be happy about it, even if you used it once in 6 Swiss rounds?
Sure, it's an added bonus. I never said it was BAD, I used said it wouldn't come in that much use.
"I feel it to be true" sounds convincing to me. You won me over.
Notice how I used the word "feel" Tego. I like to make sure when I post that I am not trying to state facts. Sure, I started the post off in a way that made it seem like I was stating facts, but in reality, any person can see that I was just expressing my opinion.
I'm sorry I don't have all the statistics to show why Pachirisu is or isn't that good of a starter. There has only been 1 Premier tournament with it's sanctioned use so far. Sue me.
The only LBS list that ever won Worlds used Plusle instead of Jirachi.
Grabbing 2 basics on T1 is not very different than grabbing 3 basics on T1, and let's not try to deny it. You still have the opportunity to get that T2 Delcatty/Claydol, and you still have to use it more than once to fill your bench completely. People try to reason that Pachirisu is so much better since it grabs 3 basics over 2, but there really isn't that big of a deal. Plusle grabbed 2 basics, but people played Jirachi DX over it because they had an effective way to grab basics already and they wanted the extra card. People might not have the holon engine anymore, but they still have ways to grab supporters (Pokemon-wise).
Because Pachirisu is a Pokémon and not a Trainer. And once again, this looks like theory to me. Nothing but theory.
I never said it was anything more than that. I've play tested with Pachirisu and these are my findings. I formed an educated opinion on the card and posted my "theory". Again, I'm sorry if I don't have tournament statistics to back up my claims. I never meant this to be something I'd have to back up with hard evidence. I even welcomed people to debate it, being a little more humble about my ignorance. I've been delighted to hear about people having better experiences with the card, and have not tried to put them or their experience down in the process.
Blissey/Banette decks might not need it. Magmortar does. With your grand statements like this, you are misinforming the players who come here to learn how to become a better player. IMO you are once again doing nothing but increasing the gap between the average player and the elitist player, a gap that I want to see decreased on the Pokégym, not increased even more.
Again, I only type my opinion. I do not force players to read it, and I do not force players to do what I suggest. If they do everything someone suggests, it is their fault they end up in bad shape.
Players come here to become a better player, but how many of the best players in the USA do you actually see here helping them become better players!? You attack me saying that I misinform and work against the system, when so many good players out there DON'T EVEN LIFT A FINGER TO HELP? Get real! At least I post my opinion, and at least I try to help. I'm proud of what I do, and I won't let you put me down for ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING when many people don't do anything at all.
I didn't make this an article. Someone else felt this was well written and had some quality to it and made it an article. Don't try to hold me accountable when people see this and see me as a mod and think what I say as the absolute truth. I can't control those things!
Yes, but Stantler doesn't let you grab three Basics on the first turn followed by a Celio for Delcatty the next turn. It takes him at least two turns to accomplish the same thing, and since nobody is playing Mentor (but Roseanne instead), it basically takes Stantler three turns. He's a good Pokémon, but IMO not the best in Magmortar.
Stantler does play one turn behind Pachirisu, but Stantler is consistent and precise. It can guarantee you the Roseanne T1 to use T2. It can guarantee you the Celio T2 to use T3. Pachirisu just guarantees you 3 basics T1 and T2, it does nothing more in helping you setup. That is the main reason I like Stantler over Pachirisu.
Are you serious now? Why would you rather want to play Corsola than Pachirisu? Unless your metagame consists of nothing but Speed Lucario that knocks out Pachirisus T2, I see no reason to choose Corsola.
The only reason I mentioned Corsola was because not everyone can get their hands on Pachirisu right now. Part of the reason I wrote the initial post was the educate players on the point that there were alternatives to Pachirisu and that some of them might be better than Pachirisu. If you can't get your hands on Pachirisu, some decks can take advantage of Corsola and still get 3 basics. I'm not saying it is a better card, since it obviously isn't, but it is a poor man's alternative.
Once again, I think you've come up with a strange theory just for the sake of being unique and against the "mainstream opinion", and that you have backed it up with strange arguments to create a big wall of text that will just confuse and mislead new/younger players who because of your writing style and Moderator status and following sense of authority believe that you have the reliability that you in my eyes don't.
I don't post just for the sake of posting. I post when I want to express my opinion and when I feel my opinion is needed. Sometimes, it can come off as being against the "mainstream opinion", but I feel when everyone is thinking the same way on an issue, it never hurts to interject a few different thoughts. It hurts NOBODY to post an opinion, and an opinion forces NOBODY to do what it says.
Would you rather me posting a few sentences, and try to explain why Pachirisu isn't as effective as other starters? You would probably have put me down for writing too little information and not backing up my claims if I had done that. Danged if I do, and danged if I don't?
Let's not question my moderator status. I don't post with it in mind. It is my job, but I don't let it control how I post. And I don't use my moderator status to influence my comments or opinions to make them look any more right than they may or may not be. I think it's pretty rude of you to even suggest that.
Scipio
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Why would this be closed? It might be Prime's view on Pachi, and while that may clash with the views of the majority, everyone is allowed to voice his/her opinion in this way, as long as its well done and not just a random post saying "PACHI SUX ITS OVERRATED!!1". Prime gives his point of view and explains it thoroughly.
Doesn't mean I agree with him though.
Doesn't mean I agree with him though.
Tego
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Prime,
I'm sorry my replies to you recently may seem like an attack on a personal level, but I don't want to fight with you over PM like you suggested. I don't have a problem with you as a person - I've met people I've been strongly against on the internet (and the Pokégym too) that have turned out to be nice people IRL. Lately, I've been trying to criticize the way you write here on the Pokégym, not criticize you as a person.
I can see what you're trying to achieve, Prime. I know you're doing what you think is the best for the 'Gym, because you love this website just as much as I've done for the past 8 years. I've been worried about how the elite of this game slowly have posted less and less help on this forum trough the years, with this season being an absolute lowpoint so far. I know you're worried about the same.
But I heavily disagree of your strategy to fix this problem, your strategy of attempting to "create debate" and "create original thinking" by posting controversial statements (I call them controversial because I think you post them being 100 % aware of how the elite players and other "know-it-alls" are going to disagree with the statement) that make players question the playability of a card that's widely considered as good.
I'm no elite player. By far. I've won three trips to Worlds/STS, but the last time was _six_ years ago, since then I've only worked with judging and organizing (except when I'm in Japan and play). I'm rusty and my opinion is not reliable, but I hope my observations and reports are.
I've seen some of Japan's greatest playing Pachirisu. I've seen various former Worlds attendees playing Pachirisu. I've heard very good American players and European players embrace Pachirisu too. I trust these strong players are reliable, and combine what I know from them with my own positive experiences of running Pachirisu to form an argument for its sake on this board.
Of course, even though some of the best players in the World play Pachirisu, it doesn't mean it's impossible that it might be less good than we all think. But it's very, very unlikely. So if you think you might have discovered a flaw in Pachirisu and want to present your own opinion that goes against all these players' expertise, you should be free to do so, but you should IMHO be more humble about it. It's your writing style that offends me most of all, Prime, and makes me go out of my way to write irritated post on the 'Gym, something I very rarely do.
By opening with "Notice how I didn't use the ? symbol in the title, because I am not asking a question, I am making a statement. Pachirisu is overrated and really isn't that great of a card" you adapt the same arrogant style of presenting seemingly "absolute truths" that elite players may often use, the same style I believe you are fed up with. As annoying as this writing style may be when it comes from the elite players, at least they have the expertise to tell them like this. Like it or not. I believe you don't have this expertise, and neither do I. Not that expertise gives people the right to write in an arrogant style and claim their opinion is the only truth. It's just seems so weird to me when someone like you present your opinions in the same way.
Where does this overwhelming, strutting confidence come from? I've seen other people on this board stating that they don't like Claydol or Pachirisu even though they knew that most good players do. But these other members have without exception stated their opinion in a humble, careful way to arise some discussion, not shouted out that the card in question is bad without any use of questions marks or words like "might", "may", "IMO" or "experience".
I wouldn't have posted this if I hadn't have played with Pachirisu myself. You assume I have no actual experience with it, but I have tested the card out and have seen the trends I end up with it.
From what I gathered, you have no Premier Event experience with it (you didn't play it at States, I'm assuming) and you mainly used arguments that referred to Pokémon history and prior formats, instead of tales of experience with the current situation. I of course believe that you have playtested it at home/league/Apprentice to form your opinion of it.
I am very proud to post my opinion, even if it is controversial
In my opinion, you're just a tad too proud. Just my opinion, though.
because not many people actually take the time to look at the format and critique the cards everyone adores and loves.
But the best players in the game all playtest intensely before every tournament series, and I believe very many of them try very many original ideas before they end up with the cards that they "make popular" in the end.
Many players just hop on the bandwagon and play what everyone else is playing.
That's very true, but the people they copy used time and effort to choose those exact cards. And I can agree with you to some extent that people shouldn't hop on the bandwagon, but the real, rational alternative to hopping on the bandwagon is to find your own strong cards among the cards that everyone else overlooked (Team Magma, Milotic HL + thousands of other examples). It is to find new good cards, it isn't to try to convince oneself and others that the good cards are bad! This is where I disagree with you the most. I don't see people wanting to be original get any way from trying to proclaim that all the players who win play bad cards. That's a waste of time.
If it makes me weird that I play devil's advocate and dissect the cards everyone adores, then I am fine being weird.
I have nothing against people being weird. I'm quite the weirdo myself.
I am not misinforming players Tego, I am expressing my opinion. If players take Pachirisu out of their decks, it is not because I forced them too. I do not force them to read my posts, and I do not force them to go along with what I say.
Of course not. But I believe that what you write here is read by tons of new players who all respect you and take what you say for good advice. When you're telling them something completely else than most other advice-givers would do, you might be giving them a disadvantage. I'm saying this because it seems to me that the initiative for you to write this topic wasn't to inform people (like you and I both think people should do more on this forum), it seems like the initiative is to be stubborn or "original". And self-promoting.
You have a big audience.
If they choose to take what I say at 100% truth and not try to think about it, then it is there fault.
But you have IMO recently been stating your opinions like they were 100 % truths, like the "elite players" often do. If Johnny age 11 takes what you say as a 100 % truth, I wouldn't blame him. Of course I wouldn't say it's your direct fault that he traded away all his Pachirisu either, though.
I cannot control what the "elite" players do. If they want to debate this idea in a reasonable, respectful manor, I am up for it. If they choose to not approach this like that, then why am I held responsible for it? I don't even remember using the word elite anywhere in my post.
Maybe its just me analyzing your topics wrong.
You make a good point, and you are right that Smash Short has potential to come in more use against rogue decks that you face in the Swiss rounds. What I argue is if making a deck better for the swiss rounds is the best idea, or should you focus on making the deck better for the top cut? Because in the top cut, you won't run into as many rogue decks, and Smash Short will not be as useful.
My argument is the that Pachirisu is a swiss-army knife that aids for different purposes in Swiss and Top Cut. If the usefulness of Pachirisu's two attacks divided the card by 50/50, I would agree it wasn't maximised enough for the Top Cut. But when 80 % of Pachirisu is CFF and 20 % is Smash Short, its usefulness decreases just by 20 % in the top cut, and it's worth putting into your deck.
Grabbing 2 basics on T1 is not very different than grabbing 3 basics on T1, and let's not try to deny it.
I think the former and the latter are very different. If your starter gets knocked out T2 by such things as Banette, the former will leave you with 1 Pokémon on the bench at the start of your following turn. The latter will leave you with 2, which could be your drawer (Delcatty/Claydol etc) and your attacker (Magmar/Totodile etc). I'm sure there are better arguments than this too, but I'll leave that to other people, since I definitely am not at the top of this game.
Players come here to become a better player, but how many of the best players in the USA do you actually see here helping them become better players!?
Not enough, by far! But let's work in a different way to change that.
You attack me saying that I misinform and work against the system, when so many good players out there DON'T EVEN LIFT A FINGER TO HELP? Get real! At least I post my opinion, and at least I try to help. I'm proud of what I do, and I won't let you put me down for ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING when many people don't do anything at all.
I know you're giving this great effort and you do it for the love of the game too.
Sometimes, it can come off as being against the "mainstream opinion", but I feel when everyone is thinking the same way on an issue, it never hurts to interject a few different thoughts.
Sure, it doesn't hurt. I'm just under the impression that you try a bit too hard to always be this someone who goes against it, no matter what topic it is. I used to appreciate you for this, Prime. Especially a few years ago when I remember you were the only American fighting for European players' in certain topics, ridiculing the statements some people made about all good players in the World being North American. You took a different stand and I respected you for that. It just now recently seems to me that you need to play the devil's advocate on absolutely all kinds of topics, and I don't see anything constructive coming out of it.
Would you rather me posting a few sentences, and try to explain why Pachirisu isn't as effective as other starters? You would probably have put me down for writing too little information and not backing up my claims if I had done that. Danged if I do, and danged if I don't?
Like I said earlier, it's just your writing style (which I think has changed over the years) that frustrates me. If you stated your opinions in a different way, you wouldn't be danged, even if they went against the "accepted truths".
Let's not question my moderator status. I don't post with it in mind. It is my job, but I don't let it control how I post. And I don't use my moderator status to influence my comments or opinions to make them look any more right than they may or may not be. I think it's pretty rude of you to even suggest that.
I'm sorry if you took it this way. Being a Moderator/Administrator myself in the Pokémon community of Norway, I know how being questioned about ones status can be uncomfortable, and how one never wants that to be mixed into a discussion. All I wanted to say in this part was just that you should keep your audience in mind, and remember that a lot of young people will look at your moderator's badge (or title
) and consider you a person with expertise and authority.I have a status to maintain myself, and I'm sorry I dragged yours into the discussion. I disagree with your posts and your writing style, but nothing has ever made me question your ability to do your job as a moderator (which is hard work with deleting/moving/closing etc and has very little to do with the public profile one creates when writing on the forum).
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chriscobi634
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like Tego said it's bad info. he may present it in with valid points but for new players who might take his word and trade away all their Pachirisu to the more experience/"better" players extends the gab between the "noobs" and the "elite".
I play pachi in my Tsunami, a deck that need every bench space. I take a lot of pride in the list I have built as it is very consistent for me even when I have teched it out for it's hardest match-up, G/G. I may times have to retreat that Pachirisu because I'm done using it's CFF. But it's usually after I have Smash Shorted once. That 10 HP I deal to a Pokemon is an extra energy I don't have to show to KO my opponents starter. Furret has 90 HP, Pachi has 70 HP, Stantler has 70 HP. So to say Smach short is useless is absurd.
Against a G/G I try to only CFF once and start hitting their furret or absol for 10 ASAP as I want to lower their HP so if they want to bring down they bring down their pokemon. Furret would have to take 3 smash shorts to be but at 60 HP, below Delcatties and Magneton, even Pachi. Absol only takes 1 hit, but if you want to get it below your basic it also takes 3 hits.
Against that match-up I rarely go for the quick KO as i want to get the upper hand as much as possible, so my strategy isn't flawed by keep Smash Shorting ASAP. Just want to point that out before I say in contradict myself.
I also would like this to get closed because it's irrelevant that we keep discussing a single card that was already featured on Card of the Day. Then for Prime to put this as front page is again a bad decision, it should be in Single Card Strategy, if at all allowed to continue.
Another thing, no matter how many good points we make, he is a bit stubborn in see those points and just keeps answering back with the same responses. Which is in a way is a form of spamming when the discussion is going nowhere with a lot of BaFs.
Chris: You're way off mark here and with other statements.
How is stating an opinion an abuse of mod power?
You are free to disagree and argue the point (the point, not the person) as much as you want.
You are NOT free to tell other members that they can't express their thoughts and opinions!
I thought you posted elsewhere you were trying to argue constructively.
Please reread your posts and see if that's what you're doing here.
Christian: Prime didnt put this as front page, it was just a thread, like many others here. Another gym member early on asked for it to be made a "sticky" (post 4 or so). Then, another Mod put it front page, but not prime.
Now, as to my opinion, I like Pachi. In many decks, but not all, it is the best starter out there. If you go 1st, you cannot play a supporter. CCF is Mentor turn 1 w/o the supporter drop. That by itself is huge. Set up in this game is huge. How many people were complaining about the riolu donks @ Nats last yr?? No one could play Mentor turn 1 going 1st, so they ended up w/ lone basics sometimes. Sure, that was a risk the deck builder created, but I like the lil squirrel. I also like the other squirrel for GG (furret).
Keith
Now, as to my opinion, I like Pachi. In many decks, but not all, it is the best starter out there. If you go 1st, you cannot play a supporter. CCF is Mentor turn 1 w/o the supporter drop. That by itself is huge. Set up in this game is huge. How many people were complaining about the riolu donks @ Nats last yr?? No one could play Mentor turn 1 going 1st, so they ended up w/ lone basics sometimes. Sure, that was a risk the deck builder created, but I like the lil squirrel. I also like the other squirrel for GG (furret).
Keith
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