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It amazes me how put out some of you are over not getting the cities bag . Or bringing up things
like pop6 delays. Welcome to the real world- where **** happens.

I won a cities this weekend, my kid too. Fun weekend. The bags we didn't get were so important to
us that we didn't even know about them until i got home and read this thread. Damn, now my
weekend is ruined. Maybe i should call my friend Lawman and sue for my cities bags lololol
J/K

Seriously, I personally think these guys do a GREAT job running OP . None of us know the budget
they have to work with. I don't, but even if I did what would it matter. This isn't a democracy folks.
They do what they believe is best for the growth of the game worldwide.That's good enough for me.
Guess that's why Dave makes the big bucks lol

All of us are entitled to our opinion. But as I've said it before and I'll say again, we all know what
opinions are like ;)

drmario, They took responsibility for what happened. What more do you want?

Maybe a pint of blood?


Regardless, you have the best sig. I have ever seen here on
the gym!!


edit: drmario, why would they announce any information concerning suppliers to the public?
Why does it even matter to you?
 
the_sniper said:
It amazes me how put out some of you are over not getting the cities bag . Or bringing up things
like pop6 delays. Welcome to the real world- where **** happens.

I won a cities this weekend, my kid too. Fun weekend. The bags we didn't get were so important to
us that we didn't even know about them until i got home and read this thread. Damn, now my
weekend is ruined. Maybe i should call my friend Lawman and sue for my cities bags lololol
J/K

Seriously, I personally think these guys do a GREAT job running OP . None of us know the budget
they have to work with. I don't, but even if I did what would it matter. This isn't a democracy folks.
They do what they believe is best for the growth of the game worldwide.That's good enough for me.
Guess that's why Dave makes the big bucks lol

All of us are entitled to our opinion. But as I've said it before and I'll say again, we all know what
opinions are like ;)

drmario, They took responsibility for what happened. What more do you want?

Maybe a pint of blood?


Regardless, you have the best sig. I have ever seen here on
the gym!!


edit: drmario, why would they announce any information concerning suppliers to the public?
Why does it even matter to you?
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I don't think POP should do anything more about it,however some people *cough*pokemom*cough* seemto think that POP doesn't hold the blame for it.
 
drmario said:
I don't think POP should do anything more about it,however some people *cough*pokemom*cough* seemto think that POP doesn't hold the blame for it.
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Hold the blame for what, their providers messing up? You are right, they must be held accountable, CRUCIFY THEM!!!!!!
 
drmario said:
I don't think POP should do anything more about it,however some people *cough*pokemom*cough* seemto think that POP doesn't hold the blame for it.
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so tell me: just what was POP supposed to do, given this scenario:

supplier/importer: hello: we're sorry, but due to circumstances beyond our control (shipping strike, bad weather delaying the cargo ship from crossing the pacific as quickly as expected, technical problem at factory, any of the infinite things that CAN go wrong in an overseas manufacturing process) we will not be able to deliver your deckboxes in time for you to pass them through customs, ship your containers to your order fulfillment house and have them break down the mass quantities and ship them to your individual tournament organizers for every one of the scheduled events.

what are they supposed to do, other than what they DID, which was come here and explain that due to circumstances beyond their control (after all, they don't control dockworkers, weather or any random thing that can go wrong in a manufacturing process, especially one overseas) there was not going to be a deckbox at the DF prerelease?

i don't get it. they explained, and apologized. what ELSE were they supposed to do, given the reality of time and budget restrictions for that event? i've still not seen ANY explanation of what it is that POP was supposed to do different, other than 'make sure it didn't happen, n if it duz thn yr management sux'...

'mom =/
 
Helloooooooo I just said they should not do anything else. I did say that it is POP's fault. They hirednthe manufacter to do a job for them, the job was done wrong or took too long who knows? I understand tha when whatever went wrong happened it was too late for anyone to get the bags out. Trying to shift the blame to someone else is where they went wrong. I've said this before, if an employee at my dad's business (an architecture office BTW )does the drawings wrong causing them to be done after the deadline, then my dad would have to apologize to the client and get them finished. He can't say "well I didn't mess up itnwas one of my employees, so, sorry but it isn't my problem go yell at employee x"
 
drmario said:
Do you knowanythingabout how business works?
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Naturally. A dealer can be held accountable for its suppliers mistakes up to a certain extent. If, for example, you had bought a plane ticket to New York, and your plane broke down and you weren't able to fly to New York with the ticket you bought, the flight company is responsible, even though it could be the manufacturers fault. If, however, you stay in a hotel that offers you free chocolate on your pillow, and you find it isn't there, making a scene out of that when they are GIVING YOU SOMETHING FREE THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO makes you silly and immature.

POP still gives you stuff when you enter their tournoments, tournoments which, may I remind you, give them no real profit whatsoever. So, get over it, POP gave you an answer. Take a chill pill and wash it down with a glass of sour grape juice.
 
Tournaments do give them profit. How many people would really play this game if there weren't any tournaments. Sure some 3rd party might do a few but they wouldn't have the number of events or the unity that POP provides. The bottom line however is that this is done for money. When is the last time you heard of a big business doing something that cost them money when they gained nothing from it? Even the places that donate money to a children' hospital the team hits a homerun get free advertising and an improved public image out of it.
 
SPARTA said:
Naturally. A dealer can be held accountable for its suppliers mistakes up to a certain extent. If, for example, you had bought a plane ticket to New York, and your plane broke down and you weren't able to fly to New York with the ticket you bought, the flight company is responsible, even though it could be the manufacturers fault. If, however, you stay in a hotel that offers you free chocolate on your pillow, and you find it isn't there, making a scene out of that when they are GIVING YOU SOMETHING FREE THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO makes you silly and immature.

POP still gives you stuff when you enter their tournoments, tournoments which, may I remind you, give them no real profit whatsoever. So, get over it, POP gave you an answer. Take a chill pill and wash it down with a glass of sour grape juice.
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i got a lot of respect for you sparta, but i disagree with u here. tournaments do give them a lot of profit.
how many masters and even seniors are going to continue seriously playing and buying packs if there were no more tournaments?
not a lot, and while random little kids are still buying some packs here and there, POP would still lose a fair sum of money.

edit: i see that drmario has said about the samething as i did.
but im typing on my wii so it takes longer. lol
 
There's something to be said about offering less prize support to winners. Larger prize support brings out the "capitalistic sharks." I've got nothing against capitalism - it's what made America great. I just don't want to see it at local Pokemon tournaments.

To me, winning is a matter of pride. I try to inspire my local players to do well at major tournaments, not for the prizes, but for bragging rights. I take pride in making statements like, "The USA juniors' champ is from Colorado!"

More prize support just means the rich get richer. Heck, we've sometimes had "reverse" prize support, where the lesser players actually get more prizes than the better players. It's a great change-up, and our top players seldom mind such prize payouts, if fact, they kind of "get a kick out of it."
 
Steve, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I like events, like preReleases where the lesser players (competitively) get something more.

Very often the lesser players competitively have a lot to add to the community as a whole.

I have advocated for some time that the winner package just needs to have the medal and the packs, and the other prizes should be cool door prize items, or 2nd-4th prizes, or something like that.

The more people we have get more stuff, the more the game will spread....dude, where did you get that COOL POKEMON binder? Went to a city! How much did it cost? FREE! Did you win, no, I got 4th, but it was still WAY TO COOL, let me show you the cards I got....

Hey, let me know next time one of those is going on, I might tag along....

Word of mouth is still the #1 way we GROW THE GAME!

Vince
 
PuRpLe said:
Wow lol. That sounds so selfish. Like it or not, this is a kids game. 15+ can play but it's still a kids game. And it's funny how you talk about "good" players. Do you expect the 10- and the 11-14 to have as much skill as the 17, 18 and 19 year olds? Have a 15 year old play a 10 year old and it's pretty obvious who will win... but no it's "ohhh we're better players than the children so we deserve more invites. Hahahahaaaa, c'mon people!

I think the 15+ whine and complain more than the 10- do... how ironic.
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Let me rephrase that, I didn't mean to say in any way that juinors or seniors where bad.

It's just that all the good juinors move to seniors, and all the good seniors move to masters, and thats where the problem is. Sudenly you have lots of realy good seniors move to masters, and all the realy good masters stay where they are. This causes a build up of realy good players, as the masters dev. grows far faster then ppl leave it. The main problem is that everyone eventualy winds up in masters, and it gets very hard to get an invite, or in some cases even make tcut in a tourny.

how many masters and even seniors are going to continue seriously playing and buying packs if there were no more tournaments?
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I would honistly quite, and be very angry if they did that. Takeing away tournys makes the game pointless, so it would be stuppid for them to do it, as it would LOSE THEM MONEY. Hmm... see, even though they spend mony on so called "free events" *tries not to snort snot out of nose from laughing to hard* they MAKE MONEY BY PPL BUYING CARDS FOR THEM.
 
ditto, vince!

I will say one thing that needs stating. I'm a bit of a hippocrit when it comes to stating that prize support should be "flatter." Because I have such a generous PTO, staff support is exceptional! I'm always rewarded above-and-beyond the normal staff compensation. My local professors can attest to that about PTO DwayneS.

We need to "grow the game" by growing our staffing pool too, by promoting "working" professors and volunteers. I need to be less selfish with sharing my staff support.
 
Years ago I used to play duplicate bridge. I didn't have to buy anything at all to play that game yet there was almost always a fee to play in the tournament.

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Without the game Pokemon cards would have less value and would have to cost less. The value in the game is intangible yet that value has a cost. Consider yourselves lucky that there are lots of purchasers out there subsidising your free OP events.
 
SD PokéMom said:
i've still not seen ANY explanation of what it is that POP was supposed to do different, other than 'make sure it didn't happen, n if it duz thn yr management sux'...

'mom =/
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If it happens AGAIN, then what are people supposed to think? I've pointed out twice now that they get slack for one mistake.

And way to take the high road on this one. Writing other people's arguments with poor grammar doesn't make you any more right.
 
DarthPika said:
Let me rephrase that, I didn't mean to say in any way that juinors or seniors where bad.

It's just that all the good juinors move to seniors, and all the good seniors move to masters, and thats where the problem is. Sudenly you have lots of realy good seniors move to masters, and all the realy good masters stay where they are. This causes a build up of realy good players, as the masters dev. grows far faster then ppl leave it. The main problem is that everyone eventualy winds up in masters, and it gets very hard to get an invite, or in some cases even make tcut in a tourny.
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It would sure be nice if prize payouts and the Worlds invitation structure was closely related to age-group representation. I'm in agreement with you on that issue.

Nevertheless, it's essential to put great emphasis on the young-ens. That's such a "special" part of the Pokemon culture.

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Do players "pay" for the prizes they get?

It's a "stretch" to say that tournament winners are getting FREE prizes.

When you go to a pre-release, or finish high at a major tournament, there's an expectation to receive something.

So, I say effort should be fairly rewarded. PTOs, GLs, judges, and volunteers are rewarded by PUI, quite nicely in many cases.

Players are our OP customers. Treat them ALL well, and the game will grow.
 
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master of puppets said:
i got a lot of respect for you sparta, but i disagree with u here. tournaments do give them a lot of profit.
how many masters and even seniors are going to continue seriously playing and buying packs if there were no more tournaments?
not a lot, and while random little kids are still buying some packs here and there, POP would still lose a fair sum of money.

edit: i see that drmario has said about the samething as i did.
but im typing on my wii so it takes longer. lol
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I am typing on an iTouch so it is on par with the wii for typing speed. I wonder how many people are actually typing on desktops? To continue with how POP makes money from tournaments, if you sign up for a credit cards that gets cash back that is "free" and costs them money, but you will also spend more since you save money. If they stop the cashback policy wouldn't you complain? Not a great analogy but you can get the gist of it. When prizes are cut you have less incentive to buy cards since the payoff isn't as high.
 
For all those people wanting more free stuff,

Would you be willing to give a LOT of free stuf to a LOT of people?
Didn't think so. So just be glad your getting anything at all.
 
hectagonman said:
For all those people wanting more free stuff,

Would you be willing to give a LOT of free stuf to a LOT of people?
Didn't think so. So just be glad your getting anything at all.
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Free stuff? Naw.

Just like judges expect to be compensated for their time, players expect to be compensated for their success.

The only question I see is how far down the chain should players be compensated for their success, and how much?

Free stuff is for charity cases. I don't view players as charity cases.
 
drMario: by all means complain, PokePOP even said as much.

Sometimes complaining is the right thing to do, but many times it isn't. I do note from your opening post that you were carefull to avoid it being a whine-fest. so props for that.

However don't be surprised when others don't join you in your complaint. Some will and some won't. Even when you switch away from a complaint to trying to explain why you believe change is neccesary you will again find that some won't agree with you.

Its good to know that POP's budget hasn't been cut. Such cuts frequently happens after a relaunch.
 
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