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Question for CC TO's

sneaselsrevenge said:
The TO for our CC was curious how much you other City Championship TO's are charging for admission. We were thinking $5, but with the lack of quality prize support, $10 might be better to help with prizes beyond top 4. And what was POP thinking , not giving support for judges?
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I heard they are giving support - just don't know what so I guess anything will be a pleasant surprise.
I'm going to charge $7 with everyone getting a booster. A lot of my players don't have the R&S cards and this will be a way to get some out to them. I'm lucky I have a box left.
 
I discussed this with the store owner and we agreed to the price of $5 Canadian. Considering the exchange rate, this isn't quite as much as some are charging, but it does cover the currrent cost that our store asks for running a tournament in their space, with a bit left over for printing of flyers and such. I didn't consider giving away packs to each attendant, but I suppose some arrangement could be made for those interested, for a slightly larger fee.
 
GLB, yah, I agree that letting a player play at the CC without paying (and agree not to take prizes) is perhaps bad. But, we still do it for our non-championship, sanctioned tournaments. We've got 3-4 top players who wouldn't come to our tournaments it they had to pay. In fact, at last week's tournament, the top 2 players didn't pay, and therefore didn't get any prizes. That's just the way we do it at our league and acually the players really like it. But, I can understand it's probably not a good idea for big tournaments with big prizes. JMO.

Regarding my comment to give league members a price break, here's my personal opinion on this:

Our $5 monthly league membership fee includes entrance to all our tournaments (1-2 per month), and a booster of your choice if you play at one of the monthly tournaments. It's certainly a deal. With the CC taking the place of one of our monthly tournaments, we feel obligated to provide some benefit to those who've paid the $5 montly fee and expect to play in a tournament.
 
The only problem I have with Judges getting product for helping is then you have the ones who only help to get the product. When I had originally found out I was running another City Championship I had asked a few local league players (who both have kids) if they would help if I needed it. I figured since they were not professors I would judge and have them run the computer. Well after I found out I wasn't getting support one decided he would rather play.

It made me question how much help this person would have been. They were obviously only doing it for free product. However I know in my mind the parent that is still planning on helping is wanting to actually help, not just receive free stuff. So I will have no problem giving this person product when we get support.

Giving product does help you find help judging and stuff, but sometimes it may not be the kind of help you need. Usually the person who is willing to do it for nothing is the best help you can get.

Honestly if I was in Pokemon to get something like a few of the judges that complained they were not getting something seem to be, or the players that complain of no free trips seem to do, then I would have given up on it 4 years ago. Instead of asking what you can get, you should be asking what you can help give. So free product for judges shouldn't decide on if you are willing to help. So I would not complain if we got nothing. However since we are, I can now thank the parent that was there no matter what. :)

Also, you should charge all players the same amount to get in to tournaments no matter what you normally do. Players shouldn't be given special discounts just because they are paying to play in your league. The City Championships have nothing to do with leagues, and so the price shouldn't either. I honestly can't see why you charge for league or tournaments at your league since all that material comes to you free of charge. Unless they are getting more for the tournaments then just leagues supplies.
 
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farbsman: I see no problem with those that want to get something for their work.
I'm a capitalist.
I also volunteer time and money for this game, this site for example, but if I knew that the TO was getting paid and PUI was getting a big promotion of their game out of my efforts and I wasn't getting even so much as some pieces of colored cardboard for it, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

A local tourney, in support of the local league, is one thing. A POP event is another.
 
SteveP said:
Regarding my comment to give league members a price break, here's my personal opinion on this:
Our $5 monthly league membership fee includes entrance to all our tournaments (1-2 per month), and a booster of your choice if you play at one of the monthly tournaments.
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The question I throw out there is, is this one of your monthly league tournaments that you guys are having. Nope it is a CC were PUI is putting up the prizes. On top of that if other players know that someone had to pay less for one reason or another, it might not go over well with them or parents if a younger player in involved. I thoughts is we should be fair and equal to all the players that come to the tournaments and they should pay the same entry fee.
 
farbsman said:
Giving product does help you find help judging and stuff, but sometimes it may not be the kind of help you need. Usually the person who is willing to do it for nothing is the best help you can get.
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This is not always true. It is true that giving product does help you find judges when you cant fine any yourself. For me I give support for the larger tournaments I run for my judges, but I use the same guys evertime. I have some of the best Master Professors, Professors, and Players in the area help me and we all know eachother well. I am thankful at times that they pass up the chance to play in these tournaments to help me out, so I feel obligated to give them something for there time. Other wise it would be better off for them to just play and win the prizes.

It is true that most people will only do stuff if they get something out of it. It is called work and we all have to do make a earning. It is just a part of life. I do my best to get the people that help me stuff were I can and help them out since they do such a good job for me when I need their judging skills at my tournaments.
 
One other consideration in charging the same amount for all players is what about those players coming from another state or area where they attend their local league (and may also pay league fees). I would be concerned that those players would feel the local players are getting preferential treatment. I agree with GLB that the same entry fee should be charged for all participants to prevent any possibility of hard feelings...JMHO.
 
I certainly don't care if outsiders think locals get preferential treatment (except for judging of course). For one thing, they did. Their site was selected to hold a CC. And to think that locals paid less is a false statement. They paid the same amount if you include the monthly fee. Both the monthly fees AND the CC fee will go to the local PTO, not PUI. So, there's really no preferential treatment involved here regarding fees.

The only valid argument against charging the locals less comes from the fact stated by GLB. PUI is providing the prizes, no the PTO. I'll accept that argument as a valid reason to make the entry fee the same for everyone, and so I'll recommend that my PTO charge the same entry fee for everyone.

I think it's funny that people are arguing that Leagues should be fee-free because the kits are free. Well then, I guess we should all charge $0 for the CCs because the prizes from PUI are free. I guess some people just don't understand that running leagues and tournaments incurs expenses. Why do you think Toys R Us doesn't do leagues anymore? End of Point!!!
 
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Volunteer work is expected in this game, as evidenced by the countless hours the TOs and staff put in to run local tournaments and leagues, and the countless hours the Admins put in to maintain this website, etc. But, like PokePop said, if PUI is paying the TOs to promote the game and get lots of players out to the CCs, then shouldn't the TOs and/or PUI likewise compensate those doing the "grunt" work? (...remembering my previous comment about the Parable of the Unjust Servant)

We're not greedy here. No one is complaining about volunteering at leagues and local tournaments. We're only talking about the CCs here or any other big PUI-sponsered event that requires planning, advertising, promoting, staffing professionally, etc. It's really ashamed that some think it's a sin to take compensation at such events.
 
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SteveP said:
I think it's funny that people are arguing that Leagues should be fee-free because the kits are free. Well then, I guess we should all charge $0 for the CCs because the prizes from PUI are free. I guess some people just don't understand that running leagues and tournaments incurs expenses. Why do you think Toys R Us doesn't do leagues anymore? End of Point!!!
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Toys R Us doesn't do leagues anymore because they had players stealing from the store. They found it hard to watch 20+ kids so they decided to cancel them. Most locations had volunteers running the leagues. So they had no costs. That and parents could never pick there kids up on time. They just got tired of babysitting. That and I heard the insurance companies for the store asked them to stop because of viability problems.
 
SteveP said:
The only valid argument against charging the locals less comes from the fact stated by GLB. PUI is providing the prizes, no the PTO.
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:clap: Ya, I made a valid argument :clap: Thanks SteveP
 
farbsman said:
Toys R Us doesn't do leagues anymore because they had players stealing from the store. ... That and parents could never pick there kids up on time.
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Both of these problems sound like issues for the local police department.
 
farbsman said:
Toys R Us doesn't do leagues anymore because they had players stealing from the store. They found it hard to watch 20+ kids so they decided to cancel them. Most locations had volunteers running the leagues. So they had no costs. That and parents could never pick there kids up on time. They just got tired of babysitting. That and I heard the insurance companies for the store asked them to stop because of viability problems.
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Sounds like "costs" to me; some monetary (stealing), some liability (insurance), some hastle-factor (baby-sitting). They're all costs. BTW farbsman, did you read my comment about charging nothing for the CCs? So, since the CC prizes are free, do you think the entry fee should be $0?
 
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