Re: Feint Attack Ruling

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Mr. Grass, Jan 9, 2004.

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  1. Mr. Grass

    Mr. Grass New Member

    Here's the latest ruling:

    2.> Feint Attack says that its damage isn't affected by those things. What this means is that the amount of damage being done is not reduced nor increased. Agility "prevents all effects including damage", so in this situation Agility would override Feint Attack. This is a very good question, and I will put it on the list for future inclusion.

    And here's what I could find in the Compendium:

    Q. Would Misty's Stayu's (the one that does damage regardless of Weakness/Resistance/Pokémon Powers/effects of attack) do damage to a Raichu/Rapidsah/Seadra/Fearow/Blaine's Ponyta that got a heads on Agility? Cause Agility says prevent all effects of attacks, and the game text of the Staryu's attack IS an effect.
    A. Yes it would still do damage, it ignores the effect from the Agility as stated on the card. (August 17, 2000 WotC Chat Q165)

    So I take it this new ruling is reversing the old one?
  2. Adv1sor

    Adv1sor New Member

    Q. If Shiftry uses "Feint Attack" against a Pokemon that successfully used "Agility" the previous turn, would Agility prevent the Feint Attack or not?

    A. No, the Feint Attack ignores any effects on the Defending Pokemon, including Agility, Wonder Guard, etc. (Jan 8, 2004 PUI Rules Team)

    It looks like the latest PUI Team Meeting is in conflict with the ruling from Chrisbo on "Ask the Masters."
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2004
  3. NoPoke

    NoPoke Active Member

    Mr Grass, please can you post a link to the text that you quoted for Feint Attack having changed. I wasn't aware that it had but I don't visit the Ask The Masters forum much.

    Once an attack has started nothing prevents a Feint Attack. Smokescreen and the Baby Rule were both able to prevent a Feint Attack from starting.
  4. NoPoke

    NoPoke Active Member

  5. Adv1sor

    Adv1sor New Member

    Both explanations make sense.

    But I guess we go with the PUI?
  6. Spectreon

    Spectreon New Member

    Both rulings seem to be in favor of Swift/Feint Atack working against Agility. While I am not sure I completey agree with that (the 2 effects of the attacks contradict each other) Swift/Feint Attack always win out. Same as against Shedinja and Lily Pad Mew. Even though they are evos, these attacks ignore there powers and plow through them...
  7. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    We discussed Chris's post in the meeting and went with the ruling that Feint gets past Agility.
    Chris needs to edit his post.
  8. SteveP

    SteveP Active Member

    For those who play the GBA game, attacks like Feint Attack (Aerial Ace) get past Agility-like affects(Evasiveness). So, if the TCG mirrors the GBA game, Feint Attack ignores Agility.

    Now, regarding Smokescreen, that's an effect that resides on the attacked, active Pokemon. So, Feint Attack DOESN'T ignore the Smokescreen effect (and you have to flip to attack).
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  9. Big Daddy Snorlax

    Big Daddy Snorlax Administrator

    Nothing was reversed. PUI ruled it the same way WotC did. Here are the rulings (I'll correct Chris' post in Ask the Masters too)

    Last edited: Jan 9, 2004
  10. Chrisbo

    Chrisbo Administrator

    Yeah, we discussed a bunch of permutations on Feint Attack, and I guess I was wrrr.... ahem, I was wrrrrr..... cough, I was not entirely correct :p. Guess I'm almost human after all. ;)

    Thanks to BDS for fixing my post in the ATM forum. I would've gotten around to it sooner or later (prolly later :D ).

  11. jesschow12

    jesschow12 New Member

    Q. If Shiftry uses "Feint Attack" against Whiscash with "Submerge" Poke-Body on the bench, which one prevails? The attack or the Poke-Body?
    A. Feint Attack ignores ANY effect on that Pokemon which attempts to prevent its damage; the attack itself specifically states that the attack's damage isn't affected by Poke-Powers and Poke-Bodies (and other things as well). (Jan 8, 2004 PUI Rules Team)

    hey they didnt state defending pokemon lol
  12. Mr. Grass

    Mr. Grass New Member

    Okay, cool. Thank you.

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