REIGN of the WalREIGN

[SuperWooper]

From what I've seen, tech doesn't beat decks you are weak to. Like those water/crystal shard decks that think they will cream Blaziken and they don't. And those "Add a couple Meditite and Amphy will go down". I don't buy that stuff. So what I'm saying is I don't think you should use Cacturne, use Whiscash instead.

You're right! I just though of the most oober broken deck ever!

Pokemon: 20
4 Squirtle
4 Wartortle
4 Blastoise EX
4 Barboach
4 Whishcash

Energy: 40
10 Fighting
30 Water

Trainers: 0

Broken! This will rule the pokemon world when EXP-SKY rotate out.

Seriously tho, continue with posting. Jermy, Cacturne is a follow-up card. It does what Walrein couldn't, if it can't. Plus, it's quick to power up. Needs an Archie, that's all.

Wooper

 

[Physics Squirrel]

Yeah, that looks good but you should take out the Barboarches and Squirtles to make room for some trainers. The deck will run a lot faster that way. Let me suggest 4 PokeBalls and 4 Full Heals.

 

[Cyrus]

*is very groggy from his band trip* word, y'all! I like how the *yawns heavily* deck...is...go...ing....gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh *crashes head on keyboard*

The Cactus idea is actually pretty innovative, yet a tad funky, and seems to lose focus of what you WANT to do: build up Walreins, bounce the energy back, load it back up, and drop a milotic, etc, etc. Since Meditite (Did you?) and Castform have been dropped, you're getting closer and closer to this deck being so good, it doesn't need the tech training wheels.

4 Birch/4 Reporter all the way. Mudkip is right that draw is necessary...You may even want more, if at all possible (although this DOES look good enough). That game sounds like it was a good one, and the results sound impressive. As for what Mudkip said about Delcatty and Birch contradicting each other...he's right! I just made it the decklist on the spot! ^^""

Best of luck on the deck! The closer it gets to completion, the more I want to run either this or BaD MoM's Rein as a variant of Blastoise ex. Just a few more months!

 

[SuperWooper]

*is very groggy from his band trip* word, y'all! I like how the *yawns heavily* deck...is...go...ing....gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh *crashes head on keyboard*

The Cactus idea is actually pretty innovative, yet a tad funky, and seems to lose focus of what you WANT to do: build up Walreins, bounce the energy back, load it back up, and drop a milotic, etc, etc. Since Meditite (Did you?) and Castform have been dropped, you're getting closer and closer to this deck being so good, it doesn't need the tech training wheels.

4 Birch/4 Reporter all the way. Mudkip is right that draw is necessary...You may even want more, if at all possible (although this DOES look good enough). That game sounds like it was a good one, and the results sound impressive. As for what Mudkip said about Delcatty and Birch contradicting each other...he's right! I just made it the decklist on the spot! ^^""

Best of luck on the deck! The closer it gets to completion, the more I want to run either this or BaD MoM's Rein as a variant of Blastoise ex. Just a few more months!

5 months, 21 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes as of now, Patriarch. I'm bent on dominating with this thing, though Blastoise EX will probably be banned. You whined about Blaziken EX....just look at this giant.

Cactus was a cool idea, but I've decided to drop all fire tECh four two reasons:
1) Sceptile EX will not be too good in EXon (no nurse XP)
2) Walrein needs to attack twice with six energy in play for the deck to work. Sceptile EX's most powerful attack attacks every other turn. If I sneak in a Walrein at an opportune moment...two prizes.

Here's the version with NO TECH: (Mudkip faints)

Pokemon: 19
4 Dunsparce
4 Team Aqua's Walrein
3 Squirtle
3 Blastoise EX
3 Feebas
2 Milotic

Energy: 19 Water

Trainers: 22
4 Birch
4 Reporter
4 Briney
4 Archie
4 Rare Candy
2 Switch

I've ditched all tECh, freeing up lots of room. However, now without Castform Rain, I'm playing completely straight draw. Only two (three if Feebas counts) different cards require me to shuffle my deck. I might be able to drop a Rare Candy for a water or a third Milotic.

Responses and crap. Send em in...think Whishcash would work in this?

Wooper

 

[SuperWooper]

I'm really sorry for teh back to back post, but I wanted to bring up something I forgot in my last post.

Do you think I could put in one Suicune EX? Just putting in one in place of a water energy could really help if I don't have any Archie's on hand, or I'm using a supporter this turn but don't have an attacker benched and ready to hit. I need to be doing AT LEAST 90 damage every turn unless the situation calls for more energy on Walrein because of no Briney or w/e. I don't like Suicune EX, because it's an ex, and TAWR does it's job just as well, but putting in one could really help a lot.

Comments? Suggestions? Concerns? Questions? You think this is the best deck ever? Post it here!

Wooper

 

[Physics Squirrel]

No, I wouldn't put Suicune ex in. He dies to Amphy ex, Magneton, and others, and you need to attach the energies to Suicune ex for the attack to work. That means that unless you play a Milotic on the same turn you Dance, Suicune ex will be very vulnerable. And needing to have a Milotic on hand and a Feebas on the bench kinda defeats the point of Suicune ex's speed. Even though he avoids needing to play Archie, a supporter, I don't think he's worth it. Plus with only 100 HP for an ex, Blaziken ex OHKO's him for an easy two prizes.

~Fiziks

 

[SuperWooper]

No, I wouldn't put Suicune ex in. He dies to Amphy ex, Magneton, and others, and you need to attach the energies to Suicune ex for the attack to work. That means that unless you play a Milotic on the same turn you Dance, Suicune ex will be very vulnerable. And needing to have a Milotic on hand and a Feebas on the bench kinda defeats the point of Suicune ex's speed. Even though he avoids needing to play Archie, a supporter, I don't think he's worth it. Plus with only 100 HP for an ex, Blaziken ex OHKO's him for an easy two prizes.

~Fiziks

Suicune EX is not healed by Milotic. Milotic heals everything BUT EX's. The Suicune ex was just an idea for a last-ditch pokemon, when I'm desperate. I can just smack it down, retreat whatever I've got active, then energy dance a whole load of crap onto him. It'd be really good for the final prize of the game, or if I REALLY need to KO something. I know that Suicune ex is MOST DEFINITELY no pokemon to build a deck around, but it works well as a supporting pokemon, especially in unlimited with Base set Blastoise. *Imagines Cune EX w/ SToise....

Gotta go conquer the unlimited world, I wish )_(

Wooper

PS - Even though I seemed to contradict your advice, I'm really thinking about it, don't worry.

 

[Physics Squirrel]

DOH!! *smacks himself* What kind of an idiot am I? (Don't answer that question!)

Yeah, so he's even worse in that case. If he's a last ditch card for late game, you might as well use Walrein, right? So, I'd keep him out just the same.

 

[SuperWooper]

DOH!! *smacks himself* What kind of an idiot am I? (Don't answer that question!)

Yeah, so he's even worse in that case. If he's a last ditch card for late game, you might as well use Walrein, right? So, I'd keep him out just the same.

If he's a last ditch card, he's easier to power up (his attack costs 3 energy) and doesn't need a supporter, but I think 19 energy is a good solid amount, and I don't think I can afford to put in anything else.

Right now, if I do in fact decide to drop anything, it will be a Water Energy or the Switches.

Still thinking about...

Corsola (next set, has really cool attack, very effective against Dunsparce, and who doesn't play the Sparce?)
Suicune EX
HPS

Bee be da bee be da da....That's all folks.

Wooper

 

[Cyrus]

Hmmm, I forgot all about my original Dunsparce counter! Come to think of it, if you ran 4 Dun/4 Corsola/2 Feebas/2-3 Squirtle, the odds of getting something that will offer very solid draw is HIGHLY likely! I mean, what? 8/12-13 Pokemon for draw??? You're destined to get out fast with that!

Turn one: Dunsparce
Turn X: Corsola

And it has the HP so that it certainly isn't a pushover. Making Rayquaza or Blaziken ex vulnerable are the only ways to get it out of the way in one hit, and that's a toughie as is, 'cause everything is built up and ready to attack. Of course, the smart Blaziken ex player could try to just strike down the Milotic to win a game...Wow oh wow, that damage DOES build up fast without Milotic ^^""

 

[SuperWooper]

Hmmm, I forgot all about my original Dunsparce counter! Come to think of it, if you ran 4 Dun/4 Corsola/2 Feebas/2-3 Squirtle, the odds of getting something that will offer very solid draw is HIGHLY likely! I mean, what? 8/12-13 Pokemon for draw??? You're destined to get out fast with that!

Turn one: Dunsparce
Turn X: Corsola

And it has the HP so that it certainly isn't a pushover. Making Rayquaza or Blaziken ex vulnerable are the only ways to get it out of the way in one hit, and that's a toughie as is, 'cause everything is built up and ready to attack. Of course, the smart Blaziken ex player could try to just strike down the Milotic to win a game...Wow oh wow, that damage DOES build up fast without Milotic ^^""

You play Corsola, I'll play my version...we'll see who makes it to Worlds 2005! I'll get you Patriarch!!

If they KO a Milotic, I KO their Blaziken EX, and that might either be the only one they have, and if it's not, I pray that the other is in their prizes, or it won't come out soon. Besides, you either go 3/2 or 4/1 with Blaziken/EX, and the 3/2 will either have a holo Blazy or a blazy EX in the prizes, hopefully. I try to keep Milotic Briney'd in my hand every turn, may work even better with that new Supporter that works as a substitution for a supporter already in your discard...eight Briney! Woot!

I dunno, so many new cards...too many possibilities for a deck...can't process too much info...must...sleeeeeeeep...

*Head hits keyboard*

Wooper

 

[Cyrus]

Well, I think it's good either way! But, like I said, the damage builds up fast if you're without a milotic. I'm just scanning through the deck's weaknesses, and that's basically the thing to worry about. Here, let me show you what I've been thinking about:

-RAMBO player shoots down the Milotic
-Walreign player sends out the Walrein for OHKO
-RAMBO reverts to BAR-like style with Manetrike and OHKO's Walrein

And the outcome of a game like that is really foggy, but it is increasingly in favor of the RAMBO player, which we don't want. Are there any good deck replenishment cards in EX-on? The odds of you having a Milo in your prizes are just as good as them having a Blaziken ex, since both decks run two of each, usually, and running any more in either would just be SERIOUSLY pushing it.

Btw, like your new signature

 

[SuperWooper]

Patriarch - I'm not worried about BAR in the slightest. In fact, the only deck I worry about less that will be heavily played in EXon is Gardevoir, thanks to my addition of POR in my latest version. I've beaten some of the best who INVENTED the Blaziken variants.

About the Corsola idea, I'd debating myself over that, Castform Rain, Igglybuff, and Luvdisc as starters.

Too many choices in the next set. I settled on either Disc or Corsola, and made these observations:

Corsola:
-Better counter to Dunsparce
-More necessity in getting out first turn than Ludvisc
-1/4 probability in getting out Corsola and them getting out Dunsparce first turn
-Doesn't need the opponent to have a big hand and you to have a small one for the attack to work
-More HP, less common weakness than Luvdisc is RSon (just a prediction of mine)
-Doesn't need a certain type of supporter in the drawing engine focused on
-Weaker supporting attack

Luvdisc:
-Better overall, but needs adjusted trainer engine to work
-Can be used second or third turn, or even a last ditch attemp to draw tons against a mirror match or BAR late game when they have like 12-13 cards in hand..., yes this will happen
-King of Mulligans...make your opponent mulligan and draw like 6-7 cards...lol.
-Opponent needs to have a fairly large hand, you need to have a small one
-Less HP, weak to more common type in RSon (just a prediction of mine)
-POR would work better with this than Birch
-Better supporting attack

Take your pickness.

Wooper

 

[Cyrus]

Well, it looks like the set-in-stone union between Milotic and Blastoise ex has finally been broken! Straight from us to you, the viewrs: Walreign, with NO Milotic!

Walreign, now with no Milo Kilos!

Pokemon (18):
4 Dunsparce
4 Team Aqua's Walrein
3 Squirtle
1 Wartortle
3 Blastoise EX
4 Corsola/Luvdisc combination

Energy (20)
20 Water

Trainers (22):
4 Birch
4 Reporter
4 Archie
4 Rare Candy
3 Switch
2 High Pressure System

Milotic will find its ways into many decks that aren't Walrein, ESPECIALLY by ADV6...god, that spoiler...lord almighty. Oh, the deck??? ^^""

Well, this version is basically speed; damage does not even matter anymore, because the new plan is to just get out ASAP and hope to kill. Thoughts?

 

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

If Pokemon Nurse will still be available then Milotic won't have to be played. Otherwise I think some kind of healing is needed. You'll run out of HP. Atleast Blaziken (which also doesn't run healing) doesn't do damage to itself.

 

[Cyrus]

You see, this is just one of the MANY ideas Wooper and I have been throwing around: A version with no healing whatsoever, but a LOAD of speed!

 

[SuperWooper]

Pokemon (18):
4 Dunsparce
4 Team Aqua's Walrein
3 Squirtle
1 Wartortle
3 Blastoise EX
4 Corsola/Luvdisc combination

Energy (20)
20 Water

Trainers (22):
4 Birch
4 Reporter
4 Archie
4 Rare Candy
3 Switch
2 High Pressure System

MILO KILOS! ROTFLMAOWTIME! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

O_O

If you want a good non milo kilo (lol) version, here's what I'm playing:

Pokemon: 22
4 Dunsparce
3 Squirtle
1 Wartortle
3 Blastoise
2 Magneton
2 Magnemite
2 Skitty
2 Delcatty
3 Team Aqua's Walrein

Energy: 19
17 Water
2 Multi

Trainers: 19
4 Archie
4 Birch
3 POR
3 Reporter
2 HPS
3 Rare Candy

Really messes with your opponent. Heh heh...

Wooper

 

[SuperWooper]

Back to back postness. But it's my threadness. Or is it thread-age?

I'm the expert on skipping 40000000000000 sets in the future here. Well, expert might be pushing it, but I've studied EXHL and FOTL a lot, and have seen all of the cards and what they'll work with and how the metagame will be. So here it is, a complete assessment of the RSon format top decks, and where WalREIGN ranks in it:

Top 7 List of decks (NOTE: ROGUENESS NOT INCLUDED! ARMALDO EX, GENGAR EX, MUK EX COULD ALL MAKE A SHOW, THESE ARE JUST THE WILL-BE-ARCHETPES:

7. Gardevoir/EX
With Gorebyss coming out in the near future, this could be decent, but severly overpowered by a lot of things. Boost is gone, no tECh ditto (although Clefable/Electrode/Milotic tECh could do nicely...take your pick)

6. Rayquaza EX/Lanturn/Manectric/Magneton
Created by the gym's own Colin, this deck could have major potency, but is hindered by the fact that it can't do 200 a turn, KOing Wailord EX.

5. Amphy EX
Doesn't loose much from last format except for that Mareep and Juggler...I think using Lanturn/Manectric with this would be pretty interesting...try to get a second turn Amphy out, good times, goooood times.

4. Metagross/EX
Gusting stuffs out for fourty is cool second turn...use a Strength Charm and OHKO their Torchic/Skitty/whatever. Could work, Mudkip and I are playtesting right now, could be a force to be reckoned with, combined with maybe something water? Wailord most likely...but whatever comes up comes up.

3. WailWallEX
My own little creation, but Patriarch helped (some). LOL, this deck is gonna rock the format when Slowbro is released! Only real threat is Blaziken EX, which slaughters the Milotics and Slowbros needed for Wex to serve its purpose. Check out the list in my siggy, the word WailWallEX is actually a super-secret link. ^_-

2. WalREIGN
Also listed in my signature-age, this deck is VERY good in playtesting, has beaten BRAD, it can prove it through playtesting. Gimme a hollah at RecnepS0070 if you think your Blaziken variant can beat this, we'll see who wins. Looses to WailWallEX tho, unless I magically obtain 4 legal GOW through divine intervention. You need 15 energy in play to KO Wailord in one shot.... of course Wobbuffet could be tEChed...but Milotic KOs that...all in all WailWall wins against this.

1. Hate to admit it....BRAD
Blaziken
RAyquaza ex
Delcatty

Pwnage. Still good as ever, only loosing to WalREIGN, and even then, can still win, just needs good setup. It'll beat WailWallEX...KOs healing stuff, and then Wailord EX KOs it, but OOPS! Rayquaza Ex comes out with 4 Fire and a Multi...Wailord EX dies an you're screwed. It's a triangle between the top three:

Blaziken > Wailord
Wailord > WalREIGN
WalREIGN > Blaziken

Each deck has one strength and one weakness within the top three, so I judged by deck solidity overall. Since Blaziken EX is the most playtested and solid deck, I put in at number one, and since WalREIGN beats it, I put it at number two. WailWallEX falls into 3rd, but it's saying there, it's good enough to win.

Arguments? Bring 'em on!

Wooper

 

[Cyrus]

hmmm, not a bad list at all. I think your top 3 are dead-on, but the set's barely been tapped...

Btw, that's BaD MoM, only without Milotics ;P

 

[coolhedgie]

Wooper

Niiice. Just noticed this post. I came up with the idea of unlimited Blastoise/Suicune ex a long time ago, and I tried it out. It was pretty good.
This modified version of that unlimited version prolly will be the next archetype, but I'm not sure if I would use Milotic... maybe a 2-1-2 line of the non-holo swampert from rs, so the dmg from stoise 'ex's power can basically be removed if you attach it to swampert (just thinking though, does that rule say once per turn??)