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Sanctioned Unlimited Format Tourneys.

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I might reconsider playing Pokemon again if this comes to life as a sanctioned tournament format. I'm sure many people around here would as well.
 
I might reconsider playing Pokemon again if this comes to life as a sanctioned tournament format. I'm sure many people around here would as well.

That's another plus.

For example, I know at least three people in my close circle of friends (my three best friends) who would gladly play competitively again if there was a sanctioned Unlimited thingie.

Also, it seems I killed my own thread. lol
 
That's another plus.

For example, I know at least three people in my close circle of friends (my three best friends) who would gladly play competitively again if there was a sanctioned Unlimited thingie.

Also, it seems I killed my own thread. lol

Just so everyone knows this, sanctioned really means nothing unless RPs are on the line.
If we could get a K value of like 4 for these things, it would be amazing, and it would be fun.
 
Just so everyone knows this, sanctioned really means nothing unless RPs are on the line.
If we could get a K value of like 4 for these things, it would be amazing, and it would be fun.

Good point.

A K-value of 4 sounds nice. That way, if people don't want to play, they won't have their ratings entirely butchered.
 
Its really interesting to read all these posts. It splits down the middle of who has the cards to be competitive, and who doesn't, and its fairly obvious as opinions are voiced which side people stand on. There are a few generic posts that aren't too obvious, but for the most part, it shows.

InfiniteMasterEx: Awesome job using the words "unlimited" and "restricted" in the same sentence.

There are broken cards in this format. Plain and simple. There are also broken cards in Type 1 Magic, yet somehow, Magic players don't complain about it whether they have the cards or not. It is played for rankings, there is OP and prize support, and the format is great to compete in. Why in the world do people gripe and whine so much about Pokemon unlimited? It is not about going first, or having a good hand and going second. Play the game to enjoy it for God's sake.

Sneasel is just as broken without Slowking. I used FR/LG Raticate to back him up for a long time.

The 30 card deck is is a fantastic idea for unlimited. It makes the game far more difficult. When Misty's Wrath takes out 7 cards from your 19 card deck, all of a sudden its not that great. (Keeping in mind hand and prizes being taken out)

Here in Washington we have a strong unlimited group of players. No two decks are the same, and it goes down to player skill, not coin flips. We play every month or so at a league that meets in a library, allowing kids with older cards to play with the adults well tuned unlimited decks. Every year at Sakuracon there is an unlimited Pokemon tournament as well. We get 15-20 players and everyone has a blast. The real enjoyment is in the winners attitude at the library,

WE DROP AND LET KIDS WIN. ITS MORE ENJOYABLE

Play the game for fun, if you aren't playing the game because you enjoy it, then play another game you don't enjoy. Maybe one that gives away cash prizes instead of scholarships.
 
Thanks votalesin. We need more posts like yours and IMex's in this thread.

I find it funny that the people who are complaining about Slowking, Vleplume ex and Sneasel being too broken are the same individuals who gladly play in a sanctioned format in which three or four Pokemon have a stranglehold on everything else.

30 card deck Unlimited DOES seem interesting . . .
 
Phazon Elite said:
Thanks votalesin. We need more posts like yours and IMex's in this thread.
Heh, thank you! :)

Phazon Elite said:
In my opinion, the Ban List is not really needed. Everything you listed has an easily accessible counter. For example, one thing Dark Plume and Slowking have in common is their huge retreat costs. By bringing them out and disabling their Powers with a Pokemon like LM Roselia or DS Hypno, you can effectively cripple your opponents lock. In fact, you can lock them with their own lock. Then, if they catch on and start using Fluffy Berry, you can use Aerodactyl ex (haven't tried it since the Fossil Rulings, but still...). What, they're using Phoebe's Stadium? Well, that means they can't be using Chaos Gym, right? et cetera. Everything really has a counter, and I just explored a few ways to counter a few cards.

I completely agree; there are counters for every card. However, the main problem is the number of viable counters a given card has. For example, the most effective way to stop Energy Removals is by Slowking as it can fit in all decks. Neo1 Pichu can easily destroy a bench full of Slowkings with impunity. But other than Pichu, what other counters could fit comfortably in a deck? While those LM Roselia and DS Hypno are effective techs against Dark Vileplume and Slowking, I really think that Dark Vileplume is not as ban-worthy as other players make it out to be anyways and Slowking does not come alone; most decks that contain Slowking have a switch or two anyways (in case, a GoW gets lucky.) So theoretically, since (S)ER is staple in all decks, Slowking is in practically in every deck, and then Pichu floods every other deck. That is not countering; that is forcing a player to dedicate a large portion of cards they do not wish to use in order to counter a few cards.

Phazon Elite said:
Sick of ER/SER? Don't use expensive attackers!
Great. Now only about 10% of all Pokemon (in Unlimited!) fit under that category reasonable, so much for variety. :/

votalesin said:
InfiniteMasterEx: Awesome job using the words "unlimited" and "restricted" in the same sentence.
I assume this is sarcasm but if I am wrong, please excuse me.

Would Unlimited still be "unlimited" if those few cards I previously stated were not restricted? Or will they still keep their stranglehold on almost all Unlimited decks?

votalesin said:
There are broken cards in this format. Plain and simple. There are also broken cards in Type 1 Magic, yet somehow, Magic players don't complain about it whether they have the cards or not. It is played for rankings, there is OP and prize support, and the format is great to compete in. Why in the world do people gripe and whine so much about Pokemon unlimited? It is not about going first, or having a good hand and going second. Play the game to enjoy it for God's sake.
Type 1 Magic players do not complain because they enjoy the format. Those that complain already probably moved on to Type 1.5 format.

Is there a Type 1.5-like format in the Pokemon TCG?

votalesin said:
Sneasel is just as broken without Slowking. I used FR/LG Raticate to back him up for a long time.
No disagreement there.

Here in Washington we have a strong unlimited group of players. No two decks are the same, and it goes down to player skill, not coin flips. We play every month or so at a league that meets in a library, allowing kids with older cards to play with the adults well tuned unlimited decks. Every year at Sakuracon there is an unlimited Pokemon tournament as well. We get 15-20 players and everyone has a blast. The real enjoyment is in the winners attitude at the library,
I truly commend those groups for their motivation on innovating the Unlimited format. There has been a lack of them lately due to misconceptions and paranoia existing within the enormously larger mass of Modified players. :wink:

Phazon Elite said:
I find it funny that the people who are complaining about Slowking, Vleplume ex and Sneasel being too broken are the same individuals who gladly play in a sanctioned format in which three or four Pokemon have a stranglehold on everything else.
Those cards are choking up the format but that does not mean one can still be creative with their decks. One odd deck I invented was a Dark Porygon2 + Elekid deck for example. It involves picking Holon circle back from the discard repeatedly while Elekid fires away, going through the barrier. :cool:

There is a multitude of strategies that can be made. Going back to what votalesin said about the unlimited-restricted issue, the number of combos would dramatically rise and be easier to pull off if only a few cards vanished though...
 
Is there a Type 1.5-like format in the Pokemon TCG?
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No there isn't. But perhaps there should be. E-Series forward, or even EX forward would create a new realm of creativity. Unlimited could have 2 formats, 30 and 60 card deck. Splitting OP into more diverse categories:

Unlimited 30 card
Unlimited 60 card
"1.5" modified EX series forward
Current Modified format (HP-on)

Anything else need to be thrown into the pot?

Vienna State Championships? Please elaborate, this sounds like it has a good story behind it.

Yes, it was sarcasm, meant to offend just enough to grab your attention. IMeX, you know your stuff, it was my way of giving you a very odd compliment.
 
No there isn't. But perhaps there should be. E-Series forward, or even EX forward would create a new realm of creativity. Unlimited could have 2 formats, 30 and 60 card deck. Splitting OP into more diverse categories:

Unlimited 30 card
Unlimited 60 card
"1.5" modified EX series forward
Current Modified format (HP-on)

Anything else need to be thrown into the pot?
There is a significant difference between Vintage and Extended format....

Much like a temporary ban list, the 30-card format seems interesting but it needs to be tested first hand to see how it is.

Yes, it was sarcasm, meant to offend just enough to grab your attention. IMeX, you know your stuff, it was my way of giving you a very odd compliment.
Sarcasm is not exactly easy to detect on the internet, haha. :rolleyes:
 
Here's a completely random, shot-in-the-dark idea:

If "they" won't give us an Unlimited OP, why don't WE make one? I'm not suggesting we be all "lawl, let's start OP now," but it IS something to think about. If there's enough of a demand, why not try it?
 
I'd be all for unlimited. But I do have some concerns over the most "broken" deck that is played. It simply locks of OP out and never lets them do anything, and that isn't to fair.

TBH I'd love it, but a few (ok, a lot) of cards would need to go, and there would need to be restricted cards also.

But I'm for any format that lets me play Haymaker again :)
 
I'd love to be able to go back and build my Dark Magneton/Dark Espeon deck idea. Then again, the deck I currently have together (Mr. Mime/Lt. Surge's Raticate) was pretty annoying too.

Here's a hypothetical question. Which Unown rule would be used?
 
I'd love to be able to go back and build my Dark Magneton/Dark Espeon deck idea. Then again, the deck I currently have together (Mr. Mime/Lt. Surge's Raticate) was pretty annoying too.

Here's a hypothetical question. Which Unown rule would be used?

You want scary deck? Try Skyridge Magneton + Electrode ex/Swampert ex. lol

Also, if I recall correctly, the old Unowns are known simply as "Unown," not "Unown [insert letter here], so you could use four total old Unowns and four of each new Unown (for a totally rad 108 card deck!).

TBH I'd love it, but a few (ok, a lot) of cards would need to go, and there would need to be restricted cards also.
Unfortunately, it seems that way. I like Unlimited the way it is, but it would be much more widely accepted if a few cards got killed.
 
"Dark Porygon2 + Elekid deck for example. It involves picking Holon circle back from the discard repeatedly while Elekid fires away, going through the barrier."

Nice, I had a similar idea except with Houndoom (Unseen Forces).

There was a format that limited unlimited decks to playing only 15 trainers, maybe that could work.
There may be broken cards, but now you have to choose.
Or they could have a format of unlimited where half the cards have to be modified.
Or they could have a theme deck style format.

"You want scary deck? Try Skyridge Magneton + Electrode ex/Swampert ex. lol"

But how much energy is that? 5-10-13-16 energy, 16 damge counters each.
Would that be enough?

I always have the feeling Unlimited decks need to shut down pokemon powers to a certain extent these deys. Or set up a consistent lock.

" Originally Posted by Phazon Elite
In my opinion, the Ban List is not really needed. Everything you listed has an easily accessible counter. For example, one thing Dark Plume and Slowking have in common is their huge retreat costs. By bringing them out and disabling their Powers with a Pokemon like LM Roselia or DS Hypno, you can effectively cripple your opponents lock. In fact, you can lock them with their own lock. Then, if they catch on and start using Fluffy Berry, you can use Aerodactyl ex (haven't tried it since the Fossil Rulings, but still...). What, they're using Phoebe's Stadium? Well, that means they can't be using Chaos Gym, right? et cetera. Everything really has a counter, and I just explored a few ways to counter a few cards."

I could Ascend in T1 Muk, and they could pull out a Vileplume d with a DRE. Anything can be countered, just how effectively.
 
Skyridge Magneton is just hilarious, and it might even work in an Expedition-on format, albeit poorly.

If you think about it, the Unlimited metagame has great potential to change if more people would try it out. Besides, there are SO MANY different cards out, there really is a counter for everything. And as such, the meta can constantly shift.

Edit: Yeah, some kind of lock is almost always essential.
 
"Yeah, some kind of lock is almost always essential."

The point is once you see Archetypes in Unlimited, they kind of stick and the more time you have to find counters to certain decks. A lot can come down to the build of the deck, how creative the deck is and how good the counters are.

If people have the time to find counters in Modified, it shouldn't be so hard to find counters in Unlimited, since it doesn't change too much. I still think that good Unlimited decks facing each other can last more than just a couple of turns.

I mean think about Vileplume ex... It's pretty good, but now people have realized they can put in a couple of more supporters use Scizor ex with Wally's Training, use Magby (Neo Genesis). Play an active Wobuffet (Sandstorm), with a benched Elekid, or get a T1 Muk. Or Magby (Neo Genesis) and evolve into Gardevior ex d. There are probably more counters that I haven't thought of. I even think that Blissey with Wally's Training might do the trick.
 
My thoughts, exactly.

People are just scared of the people who spent one hour and $50 making a pre-established Unlimited Archetype. -_-

I swear, if POP would do some sort of sanctioned thingie with Unlimited, the entire format would evolve. It'd be awesome.
 
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