Skittles M&Ms Mike & Ike w/e you want to call it =]

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  1. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    So while looking at forums ppl have been postin ho-oh with togekiss so i decided to try and make one =]

    3 Ho-Oh
    3 Togepi (Find A Friend)
    2 Togetic (Sweet Kiss)
    3 Togekiss
    2 Baltoy
    2 Claydol
    4 Pachirisu

    2 Steven's Advice
    2 Night Maintenance
    2 Plus Power
    2 Switch
    2 Roseanne's Research
    1 TSD
    2 Quick Ball
    2 Crystal Beach
    1 Mr. Stone's Project (i like it to get energies to my hand instead of taking chance with claydol)
    1 Str Charm
    1 Warp Point
    3 Bebe's Search
    3 Rare Candy


    Ok the idel start is pachy u use pachy to get baltoy togepi then ho-oh the i usually use pachy 1st attack to get 2 togepi and 1 ho-oh and i play 1 ho-oh 1 togepi so im set up.. u then get ho-oh and evolve into togekiss from togetic/togepi then attach DIFFERNT BASIC ENERGY cards to ONE ho-ohand if u come up with 2 same attach 1 to each ho-oh u have if u only have 1 ho-oh power up togekiss he is a good attacker..... thts basically all it does

    Matchups i have had...
    I played a anti gardyllade deck i started with a togepi and did find a friend got pachy next turn retreat call for family and got set up before he dude and destroyed him

    I played a t2b and i got set up after him and i killed his bannentes and then he kill my ho-oh and i got my phoniex turn 2 times and then he killed him and i brought a fully harged ho-oh with 4 energies only cuz thts all i needed

    I have not played anymore i made this today so any help is appreciated thanks :thumb::thumb:
  2. mca3

    mca3 New Member

    Nice Deck!!! My friend ran this at NC States, but didnt know how he finished!!!
  3. kristi

    kristi New Member

    You NEED 3 NM at the least and try playing SSU. I don't play pachi in my list, but I'm starting to think that it might help...
  4. Steve=0

    Steve=0 New Member

    Why SSU? Togekiss is just getting worse by time, and 3 Serene Grace is enough.
  5. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    i play 3 night maintenance 1 mr stones cuz i think i owuld need it to get to my hand tht turn instead of it going to the deck and me trying and ya 3 tgekiss is just fine and i got normal attach also
  6. WinkWinkNudgeNudge

    WinkWinkNudgeNudge New Member

    First, I would consider replacing the Claydol Line and Pachi (see the front page thread "Pachirisu is overrated") with a Furret Line. Both at the beginning and late game, looking for a comeback, keen eye can draw a Roseanne and a Rare candy (if you are holding a Togakiss) or a rare candy and a Togakiss if you already have a Togepi and Ho oh on the bench. In any case I found the Claydol line to be more of a distraction than an asset.

    Maxout rare candy and drop at least one Togetic. When you are looking for Serene Grace you need it now not three turns from now. Furret's keen eye will let you get at the candy directly.

    More energy - I would say 2 or 3.

    Why are you switching? The Togakiss line has a retreat cost of one pretty reasonable. I would drop the switches.

    Stone should go away the point on the Togakiss is to keep energy in the deck add a night maintenance in this spot.

    I would add a couple of Celio for a better chance at Furret and Togakiss when you need them.

    I would drop the TSD the bench tends to get crowded and mid game should look like Togakiss, Togekiss, Furret, 2nd Ho oH, third Togepi. It is usually more important to get the ERG back in the deck to make the 3rd Togekiss useful.

    How are those quick balls working for you? I would think that you are getting Pachi more often then you like. I guess that isn't a problem with Claydol but they are worse in the Furret build because the turn up both Sentrets and Furrets. I would drop them.

    So in summary:

    - 1 Baltoy
    - 1 Claydol
    - 1 Togetic (you could drop both)
    - 4 Pachi
    + 4 Sentret
    + 3 Furret

    +1 Rare Candy
    - 2 Switch
    - 1 Stone
    + 1 Night Maintenance
    + 2 Celio
    - 1 TSD
    - 2 Quick Balls

    + 2 NRG

    You should also read the existing thread called Oh Kiss
  7. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    y drop claydol if i did there would be like no draw power (no chance of me drawing wat i need unless i start with something good

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    also dropping the claydols means i cant return 2 energies to my deck
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2008
  8. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    You Def. need windstorm in here. Battle frontier, and cessation crystal kills ya. And why run pachi when you only run 3 kinds of pokemon, you can take those out for good starters!

    This is how I would run the deck:

    3 Ho-Ho
    3-2-3 Togekiss
    2-2 claydol
    4 absol (CheeeeeYaaaaa, GG counter)

    4 celios
    3 roseanes
    3 rare candy
    3 windstorm
    3 crystal beach (CheeeeeeeYaaaaa, GG counter, Magmorter Counter, Empoleon Counter, Anything that runs DRE counter.)
    2 night maintanence
    2 stevens advice
    2 warp point
    1 scott
    1 copy cat

    same energy

    Thats what I wud do, any way its everything you need, beside the plus powers and strength charms, couldnt find a way to keep them in but the deck can still run fine without them so its all good.
  9. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    i see wat ur saying with absol it slows them down but if they even start good and i dont take away there hand im already set up with a claydol ho-oh and a togepi 1 or 2 on my bench and they have wat a gardy? and gallade and a absol active?
    personally i would rather run the pachy
    the windstorm ill find a way to fit in
    i also like be be to return energy thts y i Dont run celios =]
  10. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Oh ya, forgot about the bebes returning energy. =P.. As for the absol, its pretty much a players prefrence, But I like using absol, either way should work fine! But if you wanted to find the best version try running both, just switch out the starters..

    Oh, and crystal beach is a must!
  11. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    i got 2 in there so i think ill be set with it i guess thursday ill switch out the starters see wat i like better
    Thanks Prize Card :)

    Anyone else have any suggestions ?
  12. chriscobi634

    chriscobi634 New Member

    pachi is definitely your starter.

    IDK where getting 3 basic pokemon when your set up is 3 pokemon is bad, could someone please explain that to me.

    So don't waste your time with the Absol, and stick with the Pachi.
  13. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    well ill test out thursday cuz absol can slow them down like if they get a godly hand and i start with pachy i can still match up with tht hand but idk
  14. charchar

    charchar New Member

    It looks okay but maybe you could drop a pachirisu and then maybe add in another awrp point becasue it wins games.
  15. Azure Kite

    Azure Kite New Member

    Oh yeah, Pachy all the way. Absol will not work, although its good at messin with your opponent, Claydol is played a lot now and that kills it. Plus, Pachy will get you the pokemon you need. Prize_Card, you don't need Copycat or Steven's, and you only need 2 windstorms at the most. And you need 4 Rare Candy's, just in my opinion.

    Arcanine, you don't need 3 Bebe's. Take out 1 or 2 for Celio's. No TSD, not worth what it takes to get the card. You don't need Switch (you don't need Warp Point for THAT much), and DROP THE QUICK BALLS. Quick Balls force you to take the pokemon you come to first. Unlike a deck with a few pokemon, Quick will not work here. Play Master Ball or Dual Ball or something that allows you to choose. I personally prefer Master Ball. Either put in all Plus Powers, or all Stength Charms. Not both. And take out Mr. Stone's Project, if you want that then just put in another Roseanne's.(just IMO) Energy and Pokemon line look great, except you can up 1 or 2 more types with an extra energy. So I guess heres the final edited product of your trainer line. (or how I prefer it, atleast)


    -Steven's x2
    -Switch x2
    -TSD x1
    -Quick Ball x2
    -Stone's Project x1
    - Stength Charm x1
    - Warp Point x1
    - Bebe's Search x2


    + Plus Power x1
    + Crystal Beach x1
    + Celio's Network x2
    + Rare Candy x1
    +Master Ball x2
    +Team Galactic's Wager x2
    +Windstorm x2
    +Roseanne's Research x1

    Final Product:


    Night Maintinence x2
    Plus Power x3
    Roseanne's Research x3
    Crystal Beach x3
    Rare Candy x4
    Bebe's Search x1
    Celio's Network x2
    Master Balls x2
    Team Galactic's Wager x2
    Wndstorm x2
  16. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    y would i take out the be be they return energy to my deck and then i can evolve a togekiss and get more energy prolly
  17. thysereivuth

    thysereivuth New Member

    3 Ho-Oh(attacker)
    3 Togepi
    1 Togetic
    3 Togekiss(suport)
    2 Baltoy
    2 Claydol(set up)
    4 absol (disrupter)

    NOw you have ur support
    your attcker
    your disrupter
    and setuper.

    3 Steven's Advice
    2 Night Maintenance
    2 Plus Power
    1 Switch
    3 Roseanne's Research
    2 Crystal Beach
    1 Mr. Stone's Project (i like it to get energies to my hand instead of taking chance with claydol)
    1 Str Charm
    1 Warp Point
    4 Bebe's Search
    4 Rare Candy

  18. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    well ok lets look at it this way absol takes away there hand then its also makes me get set up slower possibly.....
    Pachy they get godly hand they set up a litle faster then me i still have a good chance of coming bak with the claydol possibly being out so fast and ho - oh on my bench with many energies attached
  19. ryanvergel

    ryanvergel New Member

    M&Ms is already the name of the old deck of metagross dx, meganium d, and steelix from regionals/nats of last year.

    As for this deck, don't listen to that one guy and drop pachi/claydol. Furret is a terrible pokemon.
  20. Arcanine249

    Arcanine249 New Member

    Ryan:Ok thank u well i dont really no wat people wanna call it =]]

    Anyone got any suggestions on the whole trainer line? thts the only thing im really worried about
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