Sneasel Neo Genesis(the banned one) question

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by helghast101, Aug 17, 2008.

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  1. helghast101

    helghast101 New Member

    If he were equipped with 2 special dark energy, would each heads on beat up do 40?
     
  2. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Nope.

    Every heads flip increases the attack's base damage by 20. Dark Energy only increases the attack's overall damage after the base damage is calculated.
     
  3. Ace-

    Ace- New Member

    You do:
    20*heads + 20 dmg

    If u flip 2 heads and have 2 special energies attached on sneasel, you do 60 dmg because:

    20*2=40+20=60

    Btw. is sneasel banned?
     
  4. butlerforhire

    butlerforhire New Member

    No, the extra damage from the Darks is added to the total amount of damage that has accumulated after you've completed all the flips and multiplied each heads by 20. So in your scenario with the 2 special Dark attached, for example, a Beat Up that scored three heads would do a total of 80 damage (20 X 3 + 10 + 10).

    Edit: Man, 2 in the morning and 2 other people beat me to this as I was typing it. Anyway I guess I can answer the question posed by the Ace about Sneasel being banned. It is not banned in Unlimited and never has been, although it was banned during the original Modified format (which included Neo: Genesis, where Sneasel hails from) way back in the early 2000s. Slowking was prohibited from that as well.
     
  5. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    That particular Sneasel is banned from Modified play, but you can use him in Unlimited.
     
  6. helghast101

    helghast101 New Member

    would a sneasel deck be good in unlimited???
     
  7. butlerforhire

    butlerforhire New Member

    l + ol... I mean, the card got banned from Modified for a reason. It basically ruled Unlimited, along with Slowking and Murkrow, back in the day. I haven't played Unlimited in forever and I don't know of many others who have either, since POP doesn't have any premier events for it (kind of a shame actually. If they did, a lot of cards wouldn't just fall into a black hole every time a rotation occurred in Modified). I imagine it would still be effective though, especially now that Dark energy is in basic form as well as special. Just keep in mind that it has always worked best with cards that disrupt the opponent's ability to set up and use trainers, which is where Slowking comes in.
     
  8. afstandopleren

    afstandopleren New Member

    what about that sneasel made it a banned card?
     
  9. dragonspy900

    dragonspy900 New Member

    Sneasel was winning almost every major tournament due to it's low attack cost, high damage, no weakness, and free retreat.
     
  10. helghast101

    helghast101 New Member

    why not? I think this list I came up with would be very effective.

    Pokes: 18
    4x Sneasel (genesis)
    4x Cleffa (genesis)
    3x Slowpoke (genesis)
    3x Slowking (genesis)
    4x Murkrow (revelation)

    Trainers:
    3x Bill (base)
    3x Professor Oak (base)
    4x Computer Search (base)
    3x Item Finder (base)
    2x Switch (base)
    4x Focus Band (genesis)
    2x Ecogym (genesis)
    4x Gust of Wind (base)
    3x Energy Charge (genesis)
    2x Lass (base)
    4x Darkness Energy(special)
    5x Psychic Energy
    3x Full Heal Energy
     
  11. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    That list right there will be thrashed around by any good Unlimited deck now. All I have to do is shut off your Slowkings for one turn, and I win.

    Sneasel is just too outdated to be very good, just like almost every other old-school attacker.
     
  12. helghast101

    helghast101 New Member

    would rain dance still be competitive with crawdaunt ex as the attacker?
     
  13. ShinySwampert

    ShinySwampert New Member

    Rain Dance will always be great, no matter what happens. It's arguably the most broken power ever printed.
     
  14. Sandslash7

    Sandslash7 <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    The two top decks in Unlimited right now are Vileplume ex and Rain Dance.

    Vileplume works because it shuts down trainers period, and Rain Dance works because of Massive damage from Suicune ex.
     
  15. helghast101

    helghast101 New Member

    would crawdaunt ex be a good budget replacement for suicune?
     
  16. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Honestly, Lumineon would be better. Any energies kept in play are usually subject to being discarded by your opponent.
     
  17. helghast101

    helghast101 New Member

    I don't think any of my friends run any energy discard, but i like lumineon even better than crawdaunt cuz its an 8th the price... :)
     
  18. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Exactly. Plus, it basically has the same attack as Suicune ex! : )
     
  19. helghast101

    helghast101 New Member

    now i just need to get my hands on some blastoise base set...
     

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