Speed Spread and Ambush

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by jconti2818, Aug 29, 2007.

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  1. jconti2818

    jconti2818 Member

    The deck forum comments reference an Empoleon version of Ambush and I believe an Empoleon version of Speed Spread. Could someone please post the full deck lists for these (Iwasn't sure if this is the correct forum to put this question, so feel free to move it if necessary)?


  2. clement30

    clement30 New Member

    I have a few deck lists with Empoleon in it, so here is one of them:

    3 Piplup
    3 Prinplup
    3 Empoleon
    3 Trapinch
    2 Vibrava
    3 Flygon d
    2 Flygon d ex
    1 Ray ex d

    4 Delta Rainbow
    5 Water
    6 Psychic

    3 Holon Mentor
    2 Bebe's Search
    2 Celio's Network
    3 Windstorm
    4 Castaway
    3 TVR
    2 Steven's Advice
    4Rare Candy
    2 Strength Charm

    Strategy is to start off with Piplup, spread damage with Prinplup, then clean house with either Empoleon or Flygon ex d. Ray is in there for additional sniping, and counters Gatr/Empoleon.

    And here is another:

    3 Empoleon
    3 Prinplup
    3 Piplup
    3 Octillary
    3 Remoraid
    1 Absol ex
    1 Mantine(DP2)
    1 Mantyke
    1 Eggs d
    1 Eggs jr. d

    3 DRE
    2 Scramble
    10 Water Energy

    3 Celio's Network
    3 Holon Mentor
    2 Steven's Advice
    2 Team Galactic's Wager
    3 Castaway
    1 Scott
    3 Battle Frontier
    2 Glacia's Stadium
    2 Super Scoop Up
    2 Warp Point
    2 Cessation Crystal

    Strategy: Bench hitting, disruption(Wager and Octillary's first attack), and using Absol ex late game to KO their heavy hitter(Using its power and either Empoleon or Octillary). Mantine is for the Free Retreat body, and Mantyke isn't that bad to start with.

    Try one of these out, and see if they work or not. To tell you the Truth, I still need to test the Flygon version.
  3. Burninating_Torchic

    Burninating_Torchic New Member

    clement30, you didn't answer his question. Neither of those lists is Ambush or Speed Spread.

    Empoleon IS Ambush - I don't know what you mean by "Empoleon version of Ambush". Empoleon was the main attacker in Ambush, which there was only one version of - Empoleon/Marowak.
    As for Speed Spread, I've never heard anything about an Empoleon in it. The versions used at worlds certainly didn't use Empoleon.
  4. clement30

    clement30 New Member

    Both of the decks I posted can be considered speed spread, since Prinplup does that, and my Empoleon/Octillary is somewhat like a modernized Ambush.
  5. Burninating_Torchic

    Burninating_Torchic New Member


    Speed Spread refers to a SINGLE deck - not just any deck that spreads damage.
    It used Rayquaza ex d, Mew ex, Absol ex, Lapras, and the Eeveelution ex's... not Empoleon or Octillery or Flygon.
  6. shiftrymaster68

    shiftrymaster68 Active Member

    Yeah...what're you talking about? Speed Spread was last season (the deck that BT described). The 'Spread' concept is alive (Empoleon, Lucario, etc.), but Speed Spread is dead, and never ever had any part of the Empoleon line in it. It was Eevee ex's with Absols, Mews, and a bunch of techs.
  7. Poliwag92

    Poliwag92 New Member

    There was Ambush V2 but it did not see play at Worlds.
  8. Dark Weedle

    Dark Weedle New Member

    by speed spread he means absolutions not some random deck with empoleon in it
  9. Bobby

    Bobby New Member

    4 Piplup
    4 Prinplup
    3 Empoleon
    2 Cubone
    2 Marowak
    1 Roselia
    1 Budew
    2 Holon's Magneton

    3 Holon Transceiver
    2 Holon Mentor
    1 Holon Adventurer
    1 Holon Scientist
    3 Castaway
    3 Celio's Network
    3 Wally's Training
    3 Cessation Crystal
    3 Cursed Stone
    2 Steven's Advice
    2 Copycat
    1 Curse Powder

    10 Water Energy
    3 Scramble Energy

    That's the Ambush list that got 2nd (won) in Seniors at nats.
  10. jconti2818

    jconti2818 Member

    Someone in the deck forum has a Cacturne version of Ambush. That's why I clarified my post asking specifically about the Empoleon version. And thanks to Penguin Master and Clement30 for providing interesting deck lists. Thanks.

    Last edited: Aug 29, 2007
  11. Burninating_Torchic

    Burninating_Torchic New Member

    Then it's not Ambush.
  12. Grandielle

    Grandielle New Member

    I think you're mentioning the Speed Empoleon deck.Speed Spread is another deck but more commonly called Absolutions which consists of Absol EX/Mew EX/Eeveelution variants.There are featured post for both of these decks

    http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58888 for Speed Empoleon
    http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56969 for Absolutions

    Deck names can be confusing these days
  13. jconti2818

    jconti2818 Member

    Thanks a lot. That was exactly what I was looking for.


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