Speedy Format

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Professor Elm, Aug 13, 2007.

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  1. Professor Elm

    Professor Elm Active Member

    Well, after seeing all these new cards MANY cards have been popping out at me as EXTREMELY fast cards.

    First we had Mario which used both Lucario and Machamp, both very energy efficient fast attackers.
    NOW, we are seeing even better stage 1 cards that can consistently dish massive amounts of damage on Turn 1-2.
    A few examples
    Mesprit/Azelf/other lake Pokemon/Chimeco
    All those pokemon have very appealing bodys and will usually dish out 30 on T1 OR 20 and confusion. Combined w/ disruption trainers, pluspowers, and strength charms this could be a very nasty deck, MAYBE.
    Even though maxing out at 30 is nothing special, it still puts pressure in the early game, and can maintain it by abusing disruptive trainers.

    I have also looked at these Pokemon.
    Kricketune can dish 80 on T2 no problem.
    Ninetales dishes a NEAR GUARANTEED T2 KO on almost any basic dishing 60, and has a power that's killer against psychic pokemon which could become popular such as Crobat
    Even Parasect seems playable. T2 40, Poison, and Asleep is amazing for 1 energy, and you can keep it up by retreating and abusing Super Scoop Up to where you can potentially do it near every turn for about the first 6 or so turns.
    Octillery also has a T2 40 snipe, which could rival Empoleon, although I prefer Empoleon.
    Lucario Lv. X is also being introduced as a boost t the already amazing Lucario.

    With Quick Ball and Team Gallactic's Bet in the mix, there should not be a problem w/ getting set up fast and disrupting.

    SO, what do y'all think about these fast decks.

    Will they promote faster setups and force stage 2 decks to abandon their preferred starter and encourage them to get straight into their setup?
    OR will these T2 decks bomb because of lack of late game synergy and/or forcing too many mulligans due to the lack of basics.

    I personally believe this format to be EVEN FASTER than the last format.
    Last format, although we could abuse the Holon Engine, it was ALL about starting w/ that Castform and delta drawing into a 20+ card hand. BUT now, I don't think we will have the luxury of abusing Ching-Chime, Budew or other means of set-up starters. I believe we are headed into a much faster format.
  2. brendan2236

    brendan2236 New Member

    I really like that idea, but maxing out at 30 damage is scary. If it can be proven to work, then i think it could be really cool.
  3. mr.bojangles

    mr.bojangles New Member

    idk i still think the format needs a searcher like quick search-pidgeot or smooth over-magcargo and some better darw cards

    but what i wouldnt give for smooth over in this format
  4. Benlugia

    Benlugia Gallery Contributor

    you actually LIKE the lake pokemon?

  5. Absoltrainer

    Absoltrainer Active Member

    One thing I expect is that decks will rely less and less on a start up pokemon and move more towards agro turn 1.
  6. Mew

    Mew Active Member

    No, these Speedy decks fall when you get something with more HP swinging for the same thing all the time late game. Speed decks generally only win early game, and the longer the game goes, the hard it is for Speed to win it. I really see S2 decks dominating next year.

    Will there be alot of things like Kricitune, and will they win? Of coarse, but S2 is where it's going to be until DP3-4.
    JMO though.
  7. Professor Elm

    Professor Elm Active Member

    I like em.

    I will admit, I don't think they will ever get popular.
    BUT the deck seems pretty fun and easy to play. I am gonna try it out, just for fun prolly.
    I really am intrigued in the Parasect deck though. It seems REALLY nice.
  8. Chromecatz

    Chromecatz New Member

    How do you like parasect??
  9. brendan2236

    brendan2236 New Member

    not necisarily the lake pokemon, but a deck that does quick damage + disrupts is something that i do like.
  10. (TYranitarFReak)

    (TYranitarFReak) New Member

    without good cards like dunsparce SS and 6/7/8 mentors in our deck, of course 08 format gotta get faster.

    and by DP4/5 i expect some destiny-like deck.
  11. Dom

    Dom New Member

    Wins the thread :thumb:
  12. Regis_Neo

    Regis_Neo Moderator

    It's funny how speedy, more aggressive strategies are turning out to be popular in D/P. Even in the video games, there seems to be a trend to quick, fast strategies. But in the end, slower, more defensive strategies will probably balance it out.
  13. rroaryh

    rroaryh New Member

    well i think after 04 the decks sped up and we had the t2 age ith Zapdos, Slowking, ZRE, Eggs, Medicham and so many more. This was in response to worlds being taken by magma, a speed deck. Then next year the fast decks are responded with Queen which slowed the game down that year.

    Now it seems after a fast deck like absolutions and banny take worlds, our meta will speed up. I think te t2-t3 age is reborn, now we just need a swoop!

  14. doctormcdreamy

    doctormcdreamy New Member

    the cards are getting better stats, in terms of attack damage and hit points. in comparison to the old ex series cards.

    i dont really see any viable turn 2-turn 3 decks as far as hp-dp2.
  15. rroaryh

    rroaryh New Member

    kricketune, mario on a good day, infernape on a good day, many others esp dp3 coming along, dp2 did a lot for the game

  16. KingGengar

    KingGengar New Member

    Yep, that's what I've been saying. Say goodbye to the set-up decks. Without Holon Engine, it's going almost nowhere. Now, will Furret be helpful? You're darn tootin! But when Lucario, Parasect (yes, Chromecatz!), Ninetales, Prinplup and others can hit hard and often for 2 energy, you have hit the fast track.

    I can see decks centered around only 1 or 2 Pokemon. Banette EX set that stage well. Mario. People touting Kricketune, Honchkrow, etc.

    More to come.
  17. Rambo1000

    Rambo1000 New Member

    change your unoriginal avatar.
  18. Adam Garcia

    Adam Garcia New Member

    agreed i thought it was u posting that O.O
  19. rroaryh

    rroaryh New Member

    off topic anyone?

    Decks will be faster, and decks like Mario show that these power decks can even have a mid to late game

  20. therage

    therage New Member

    parasect swarm ftw!
    imo i see that it has alot of potential...doing 60 for 3 AND healing 2 with 90 hp is preety good.
    im not sure what to use it with yet,but i have a few idea's.

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