The ball trainer engine?

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by fieryseraph, Aug 13, 2007.

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  1. fieryseraph

    fieryseraph New Member

    I'm a bit new to this game, (a couple of months), so maybe this is an obvious topic for everyone else, but I was wondering if we could discuss the merits of using the 'ball' trainer engine.

    The trainer line that my kids and I play usually looks something like this. It seems to be reasonably reliable, and gets us by okay:
    3 Scott
    2 Island hermit
    4-6 TV reporter/holon adventuer
    3 holon mentor
    4-6 celios/PETM
    ...others, depending on deck

    But I've been wondering about what would happen if I tried this out:
    4 master ball
    4 great ball
    4 dark ball (DP2)
    4 quick ball (DP2)
    4 PETMs/celio's

    So... depending on the deck you play, but mostly, the following holds true - the sooner you set up, the sooner you can bring the pain train to your opponent. It seems like if you crammed all of those into your deck, you'd be pulling at least 2-3 pokes out of your deck per turn. Maybe you could use them, maybe you couldn't right away, but I think after 2-3 turns of spamming 2-3 balls, you'd have at least most of what you needed, especially if you combined your engine with a starting poke like castform or lickutung/sableye, who both help you draw, and increase your odds of you having what you need in your hand. AND you can STILL use your regular supporters if you really need just one card to connect everything together.

    Maybe I am crazy, but I just get really frustrated when I am trying to set up, and I need like another 3-4 pokes to really get going, but I can only find ONE per turn with a Celio's or a PETM. UGH.

    So... what does everyone think? Is it crazy to even think about? Too inconsistent/unpredictable?

    It looks to me like balls help more at the beginning of the game for a speedier setup, but then how do you balance the fact that you need a lot of them at the beginning with the fact that cards like dark ball can become dead cards toward the end of the game (when there aren't any pokes in your bottom 7 cards; you already pulled them out!)?

    Does the ball engine work better in some decks than in others? Maybe only decks that need a lot of setup benefit from this engine? Or perhaps this would only work in something like the kricketot deck, where you know exactly what you are going to get?

    Hrmm.... what say you, expert-types and other spectulators?
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2007
  2. ColdCoates90

    ColdCoates90 Active Member

    I've never liked Master ball, and so I don't really like Dark ball.Quick ball is just too unreliable for most decks, but it works for certain stage 1 decks that will take the basic or evolution.Great ball is alright, but its just always been overshadowed by holon mentor.

    Also, with such a large number of pokemon searching cards, you leave no room for other supporters that get you energy,other necessary trainers,and stadiums. I wouldn't invest anymore than say 8 cards to search out pokemon,4 of which should be holon mentor.
  3. Dom

    Dom New Member

    Balls = Awesome.

    Save your supporter usage for Celios, guaranteed evos. But that many is kinda overdoing it, you wanna get your basics out essentially, so I'd generally go like 4 Great, 3/4 Dual and maybe some Master/Dusk/Poke, if you're playing a speed swarm deck with few Pokemon in it, Quick is the play.

    I don't really like Mentor w/o Transceiver, and Chingling can be a bit slow as you take an attack to find it.
  4. Articjedi

    Articjedi Active Member

    actually pokeball can be better than masterball depending on how the deck is built
  5. Regis_Neo

    Regis_Neo Moderator

    The balls definately favor a turn 2 strategy (like Kricketune'd), as they're regular Trainer cards as opposed to Supporters.
  6. Ardoptres

    Ardoptres New Member

    Isn't Duskball? (not Darkball)
  7. fieryseraph

    fieryseraph New Member

    Ah, yes, it is dusk ball. I was looking at an spoilers page that looks like it had a funny translation.
  8. Dom

    Dom New Member

    They should make an Ultra Ball that searches for only Pokemon up to a specific level. That'd be a nice way to utilise the level mechanic and balance out some of the weaker (lower level) pokemon.

    Just a thought.
  9. The Phenom1993

    The Phenom1993 New Member

    If you have a fast deck play nalls since they are not supporters.
    If you have a slower deck i would rely on supporters since they are a bit more powerful but they are slower.

    However a mix of supporters + balls would be quiet good; if favours good setup and later in the game supporters will be reliable.
  10. Ardoptres

    Ardoptres New Member

    It's quite, not quiet.
  11. doctormcdreamy

    doctormcdreamy New Member

    balls dont work well in every deck. but the not using a supporter aspect of the card is very alluring.
  12. ZAKtheGeek

    ZAKtheGeek New Member

  13. Ultima

    Ultima New Member

    And if not for that blasted ruling change, they would be even better
  14. Absoltrainer

    Absoltrainer Active Member

    Which ruling change?
  15. DragonairMaster8

    DragonairMaster8 Active Member

    using trainers t1
  16. Absoltrainer

    Absoltrainer Active Member

    Yeah that sucks
  17. Mew*

    Mew* Active Member

    4 Mentor is too many because they only help early game and don't do a whole lot later. Castaway/Scott + 2 Mentor FTW :thumb:

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