The Compendium is a piece of crap and TC is blocking access to PUI

[ukpokemonpro]

onederlnd,

gotta agree with all you have said.

Anything else I post here, like so much before it, will either be ignored, mis-read or seen as an attack on TC!

Even the title of this post is emotive and provokes the responses we have seen..

The Compendium is a piece of crap and TC is blocking access to PUI

I never said that but I do think it is increasingly becoming worthless note I say Compendium not Compendium EX .. but that would need you to read and digest not react! When well thought out and discussed rulings are not used as the basis for future rulings, where tried, agreed and published rules are overturned often on what appears to the outside world as whim, when official announcements are made through hearsay and rumour from the few enlightened ones then too right I wonder at the future for the game.

Right. Like with the Message Board on the Pokemon-TCG site which has yet to materialize, a regulat chat, let alone weekly, is in 'future' plans and is not going to happen anytime soon.

And why not? These are two of the easiest things to set up and the chat could be done now, right now .. all it takes is effort but I should stop pointing that out?

I am increasingly of the opinion that the unofficial nature of this board but the official nature of the pronouncements made here is a cause for concern. It either is or is not official, if it's official let PUI make the announcement here not anyone else!

It is hard to trust when people keep you excluded from their club! Don't think we havent asked PUI for Chats, Boards and Equity .. But hey trust them they will update that website ... erm soon .. real soon .. like WHEN!

Want to guess how you find a league outside the US... In the UK you email the Guy who has bothered to get league details published and who cares enough to answer all and every email that he recieves often sharing and sending materials out at his own expense.. Wow that is a great service but don't bother looking at Pokemon-TCG.com/International for it!

But don't worry it seems the masses are happy to blindly stamp themsleves "IN PUI WE TRUST"

 

[P_A]

.... it does make players have to keep both versions of the Compendium handy, so... how do people feel about this? Want new rulings as much as possible, or want old rulings to stand as much as possible?

Actually, with all the new cards and their impact upon older cards in the unlimited environment, we need to have what we are already receiving. The old WOTC compendium works fine, WITH some new revisions of the new compendium ex. I don't have a problem with the status quo as it is. If something needs updating, by all means update it! If it doesn't require anything, "don't fix what ain't broken". Keep up the good work.

 

[marril2k]

I just wanted to say I'm really pleased with what TC does and can do under what we can do for the rulings... I know that PUI has stated a few times they don't want to get into rules lawyering and would rather have it more fun... but then again there are times when we do need something official and in print... I hope these guys do contiune to do the work for us and who knows... maybe if PUI starts refusing ruling questions, they can become the official ruling voice of the game

-marril

 

[NoPoke]

Okay well this looks like it could turn messy

waves magic wand in the hope that PUI will start talking to the rest of the world.

The pokegym is the most valuable place that us outside have. Why? because its the only place left that offers a response.

Some weeks back I phoned the USA at midnight local time to ask for press materials for an ad in a magazine that has 30,000+ well targeted readership. (Its called Pokemon World) I was told I would get a phone call back in 5 minutes. Two hours later still nothing so this tired organiser went to bed dismayed. Imagine my shock when pui had gone to the effort to establish my email address and send me a form email that I should direct my enquiries to the local OP provider. I had already contacted the local provider who of course didn't know anything To say I was mad is an understatement.

Well the deadline for the magazine was duely missed.

There is more but since misery likes company I don't want to join in...

Just yesterday I recieve a form asking me to apply for a pre-release and asking such questions as 'what advertising do you propose' . shakes head. I didn't know if I should laugh or cry. Magazines have deadlines even if it seems that PUI don't. We've had the whole thing arranged and advertised for the last two months, just hoping that our guesses wouldn't bite us as we had no information to go on.

Try finding a league outside the USA on the PUI website
Try finding a pre-release outside the USA on the PUI website.
I gave up emailing PUI long ago.. and no I wasn't spamming just trying to get a few promo cards to keep the game going over here.

That frustrations boil over on the gym sometimes isn't surprising.

In the mean time I'll just keep waving my magic wand in the hope that PUI realise what kind of message they are sending to the rest of the world. Talk to us PUI.

*sings closing song from Monty Pythons Life of Brian.......

 

[annisarich]

I support this site and the Compendium as the "Formal and Official" Places to get info.

FYI folks

I have visited some other boards and there is a group of persons who dont much like this forum and think that TC is up to no good and in bed with POP/PUSA and is getting special treatment.

If we want to have several places with conflicting rules and arguements at events as to what rules to follow...

I'll switch to YoGiOH.... Been there, done that.


Keep up the good work.
TC is what I use to make my rulings.

 

[Venusaur]

The compendium is what I always use for rulings. It keeps corrupt judges in check. But it does use up lots of ink and computer paper when I take it to tournaments.

 

[annisarich]

Okay well this looks like it could turn messy

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That frustrations boil over on the gym sometimes isn't surprising.

In the mean time I'll just keep waving my magic wand in the hope that PUI realise what kind of message they are sending to the rest of the world. Talk to us PUI.

*sings closing song from Monty Pythons Life of Brian.......

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Only 24 posts till this turned into a Europe gets screwed topic.

pretty Good.

But...........Lets get back on topic.

This is not about OP this is about a rules library.
And one group who has at least gotten the ear of PUI and albiet slowly gets answers to rules and play questions. they make it available to us. Some people are jealous of that fact. Some people blame TC/Pokegym for all the other issues.

This is an independent issue. lets keep this on topic.

 

[NoPoke]

erm that wasn't what I was saying

try reading it again PLEASE!

unless I'm much mistaken this is a thread about FRUSTRATION. TC are allowed to feel frustrated at times too

POP knows the level of esteeme that we in the UK hold him in. I have been and will remain a staunch defender of the rulings that comprise the Compendium. I will argue vigorously if I think that they are being damaged by what I percieve to be a bad ruling from PUI. But don't ask me to email PUI because they just don't reply.

Blast now my frustrations are begining to show through. Still at least that is on topic unlike your blatently dismissive post Anissarich. Or should that be Arsonissarich?

 

[bullados]

The only thing that I'm really upset about concerning this site is that it seems to be the ONLY official avenue to voice opinions to PUI. I've tried getting a response from the regular PUI emails and phone #s about every day for a month now, and I still don't have a reply. Even here, everything is based on hearsay and speculation.

This is a private board, not the one that PUI should use to publish their information. For that, they should set up their own board based off the PTCG website, or declare this board to be their official board and be done with it, because I'm not sure whether to trust what is said here, or to just let it slide like it's nothing. More and more, I'm certain that most of what's posted here, even by the TC guys, is garbage that won't affect how we see PUI and PTCG.

Quite frankly, I don't care about a weekly or monthly or any time chat, mostly because I was never part of them, and I also thought that many of the rulings made on those chats were just plain wrong, and I was normally proven right a couple weeks later when WOTC would errate their old rulings. What I want is a rulings meeting between PUI, TC, and Japan where all concerns brought up by either PUI or TC could be related directly to Japan and then an answer could come directly back, with no time in between for waiting and speculation which just ruins the game.

I really like what TC has done for the game, and I want to see them do it for a very long time to come. However, I do not believe that TC should be the only authority on how the players feel. That authority should come from the players relating their ideas to PUI and PUI actually listening to those ideas, because many of them could help out the game tremendously, not to mention give the fan base more reason to support further PUI intervention.

I'll most likely post more later, when my emotional high wears off.

 

[ukpokemonpro]

Bullados,

too true.. and yes the semi-official nature of the gym and unofficial official announcements made here need to be addressed

annisarich,

you just proved our most people that post don't bother reading before adding an opinion theory

 

[BJJ763]

I've always wondered why a new Compendium was started....now i know. Though Nintendo cards can interact with WotC cards.

Personally i'd have kept 1 Compendium instead of having to go to 2 sources for rulings.

Though with the Classic Compendium being static, you only have to print the new one, which saves, what a 12 year old Oak?

And WotC chat > Nintendo chat. While i only attended 1 or 2 WotC chats, i read the Chat Log. If i never met MTM, DMTM, MTP, and DMTS, you can still see what they were like from the chat log. Not so with the Nintendo chat. All we get is a sterile Question # 1, Answer # 1; Q2, A2;... reading.

I guess we could blame TC for that....

Edited: Oh yeah they should be more open to the public - i tried emailing them several times at [email protected] (from the Dragon Rulebook) but all bounced back for unknown mailbox or something like that. If you can't email them from the addy in the Rulebook.....

 

[PokePop]

A lot of good issues.
And I think what need to be kept in mind is that they are just that: a lot of issues.
Part of what I want to accomplish here is getting out those concerns and fleshing them out as the separate issues that they are. When emotions run high, those issues tend to run into each other and become one, big mega-issue.

Turning them all into a melange of one big issue makes it harder to address and focus and misdirects the focus that shoulld be have.

Yes, there are a lot of problems with how PUI communicates info out to the public. Those problems do need to be addressed. Rolling them into the big issue of "everything that's wrong" takes the possibility of solutions off the table and turns it into Eeyore-moaning. Focus is what needs to be had. Sure, Reps of PUI should have a hard shell and bounce off criticism. Like a bunch of Yoshis.
But the bottom line difference between WotC MTs showing up on the WotC gym and PUI MTs showing up on our new Gym is that they don't have to deal with it.
Bottom line, if they don't like being here, they don't have any management at their company asking them, "So how's that PokeGym going?" No one.

So if we want them to come here and work with us, and I think we do, we need to take that into account. Should we have to? Maybe not. Customer's always right and all that. But many of us are adults and know how to get around in the real world. Being right and getting what we want are waaaay two different things.

 

[Prime]

My mom always said that you don't attract bees with vinegar. I guess the same could apply here. We do have issues that need to be worked out, but at the pace that we are going, we won't attract any coverage over those issues only big conflicts between members of the forum. And who would want to go to a forum where everyone is trashing you? Probably the reason we don't hear much from PUI on this forum.

 

[meganium45]

Although I have disagreed with some Pokegym members in the past, I do not know what the Pokemon Community would do without this board to be on.

We would have no place to interact, to discuss current issues, and bring forward thoughtful rulings concerns.

PUSA at this point has a LOT on its table that we do not want to take them away from. City Champs, State Champs, National Champs, Gym Challenges, Stadium Challenges, World Champs....

I know, from being a PTO how hard these are being worked on. It is AMAZING the pace with which events are coming out this spring....

Given all the work that it takes to put into growing the OP for these events, I am perfectly happy to let the dedicated members of the compendium take care of rulings matters for the community.

Of course it does not have the warm and fuzzy feeling of the chats with MTM and DMTM, but a lot of those were fun and fluff. I like the new system better where they are cranking up this game as fast as they can....

Has anyone looked at the CC numbers lately??? The numbers are beating a lot of the SBZs that Wizards used to have, as well as some of the Gym Challenges of old.

If PUSA is trying to grow a player base again, I would say they are doing an EXCELLENT JOB of bringing this game back and making it competitive for all players of EVERY age division...

Shame you all cannot see the world rankings, and that a 10 year old is in the top 3 (not my kid mind you, but a player at one of my gyms). It is just too much to deal with for all that has gone on in a brief amount of time.

I AM EXCITED - and am thankful that we have TC to thank for playing a HUGE part in keeping this community talking, even through the "scary" times of 2003. Anyone who does not like the state of the game at this point should please recall 2002 and 2003 under WOTC where they were obviously losing interest for one reason or another.....

When was the last time you saw TV commercials promoting Pokemon Cards?? Even with Magamar in there, those are COOL commercials.....

I cannot WAIT to see A/M in english and get my hands on double rainbow energy!!! WOW! What a CARD!!!

This game just keeps getting better and better. You should have seen the faces of the YGO players when I was showing off the medal for cities at one of my CC locations....jealousy was in the air...Can you imagine their face when I come back and hype the STATE events????

Or the GYM CHALLENGE, or the PRERELEASE??? What a game, what a time....

Glad I stuck with it....it has paid MAJOR dividends, and will keep paying for the community well into 2004.


OK, now off of my soapbox, and back to practicing with my "secret" deck for Chicago, which is in like 2 days!!!

Meganium45

 

[farbsman]

erm that wasn't what I was saying

try reading it again PLEASE!

unless I'm much mistaken this is a thread about FRUSTRATION. TC are allowed to feel frustrated at times too

POP knows the level of esteeme that we in the UK hold him in. I have been and will remain a staunch defender of the rulings that comprise the Compendium. I will argue vigorously if I think that they are being damaged by what I percieve to be a bad ruling from PUI. But don't ask me to email PUI because they just don't reply.

Blast now my frustrations are begining to show through. Still at least that is on topic unlike your blatently dismissive post Anissarich. Or should that be Arsonissarich?

SO this is on topic how? Isn't this attacking which is clearly against board rules?

Honestly I think this is rediculous. Everyone wants to know information early. So on the post about if Team Magma vs Team Aqua is coming out I post what the PTO's were told. Then I get this

too true.. and yes the semi-official nature of the gym and unofficial official announcements made here need to be addressed

So do you want to know or not? I mean we try helping you out by letting you know before PUI officially announces it and you complain it wasn't official. As far as I know you were not going to know officially until the cards came out. I got tired of the emails and complaining on here and emailed them and asked them to post it. So they did. Nintendo has control of there server last time I checked, that is why it takes a while to get information up. Since this isn't an "official" board why should PUI go to the trouble to come here and tell you officially?

I figure it is nice PUI comes here and addresses our concerns. I honestly wouldn't blame them if they stopped. This board is turning into the other boards that slam PUI for the stuff they are doing. IF you want to complain go elsewhere. If you want to have an actual pokemon board where everyone can talk peaceful stay here.

Some weeks back I phoned the USA at midnight local time to ask for press materials for an ad in a magazine that has 30,000+ well targeted readership. (Its called Pokemon World) I was told I would get a phone call back in 5 minutes. Two hours later still nothing so this tired organiser went to bed dismayed. Imagine my shock when pui had gone to the effort to establish my email address and send me a form email that I should direct my enquiries to the local OP provider. I had already contacted the local provider who of course didn't know anything To say I was mad is an understatement.

We didn't get any here in the US either. They decided to stop sending out the stuff because people were incorrectly using it. Since it is copywrited material, they didn't want that happening.

Now I am a little confused about one thing. If everytime you get ahold of PUI they tell you to ask the local distributor, why do you continue to harass PUI. Last time I checked Pokemon USA was covering the US. Gee wonder why they tell you that. My guess would be because they hired someone to cover your region. You haven't liked or don't agree with the local distributor so you complain to PUI that tell you the same thing.

 

[Freddy K.]

What I find annoying as a player is how the rules seem to be changing in-between the tournaments I take part in. One week it's Nintendo mulliganning, next it's back to WotC. One week it's Kecleon that's normal, next I find it can have 6 types max and inflict weaknesses that can stack up. One week energy from the hand *flygon* doesn't get damage from Amphy-EX, the next week it can. There are other examples I can think of but I won't bore you.

These aren't just small changes, they really make a big difference to how one plays. How to get such information out to players across the world? This is PUI's failing, they are pretty much non-existant over here, no-one really knows about them at all in the player base except for us 'gymmers.

The one document we can rely on is the TC for checking up these zany rules. It's not crap at all.

And the one way we can hope to keep abreast of all these crazy changes is by hoping that we have caught it on the 'gym.

I've had the pleasure to meet many of the TC team - BDS, Sensei, Chrisbo - and I love the work that ALL you guys do. 'Pop - some people would bicker about the necessity of breathing if given the chance. Just ignore these idiots who trash your efforts.

You know how important the work you guys do is - PLEASE keep it up.

~fK =)

 

[Michel]

'Pop, I remember one time PUI staff came on the boards and things went really bad.

One person has been accused to have made them 'run away from here' (OK, he was maybe a little bit aggressive !), but after a couple of months, we must admit that he was maybe not wrong and that most of the things said by PUI haven't happened.

I remember the WotC MT's fighting for their ideas and positions (or the one they had to fight for ), sometimes against more aggressive people - remember the 15+ topics.

TC is really doing a great job, and I've already said that without these guys POP would probably be something impossible as we wouldn't have new rulings ... and no boards like this.

This said, I think that a lot of members of the community would like to see PUI take their responsibilities, communicate, give us the opportunity to talk with them in an open discussion (different than emails).
I have the feeling that PUI use 'firewalls' to protect them. TC, local distributors, emails, ... but don't want public discussions like on a board, during a chat, ...

But on the other hand, they want us to trust them and to work for them (league, TO, judge, ...).

You say that you only have 'limited time' for the rulings sessions. That again is quite strange as PUI is supposed to provide the rulings to the players. That's a part of their job and shouldn't be in a 'limited time session'.
If there are questions for hours, well hours must be spent on these questions. It's their job, as simple as that, even if they ask TC to make the rulings public.


They don't know the cards and/or rulings of the previous sets ?
Sorry, but I thought Pokemon was one and only one game, Wizards or PUI sets. The rules must be in the same line, must follow the same logic. Judges should know more than the owners of the game and the people who are taking rulings decisions ?

I would agree on something else that has been said earlier.
The list of Profs from all over the World should be available, like the list of all the leagues Worldwide, on the PUI website.
I'm happy that our local distributor has listed the Belgian leagues on his website, but who knows in the public that they're responsible for POP in our country ?
People who're trying to find info will go on the official PUI website ... and will find nothing.

Wizards MT's were really 'community oriented' and used a lot of channels to talk with us, provide info, ...
On the contrary, PUI only communicate through their website (more advertising than information) and sometimes by answering to emails.

I've received, a couple of days ago, and email sent by MTM to 'old interested Wizards Profs' about their new plans and games. Never received info like that from PUI after almost one year, except answer to my own emails.

Open communication are, IMO the key words. Hopefully, thanks to TC, we can still comunicate and share info. There again TC is doing PUI's job

I hope that, at least, PUI will make an official announcement saying that the Compendium is the ONLY OFFICIAL source of rulings.

Annisarich, do you know that Europe is a part of the Pokemon World ? And do you know that there are people frustrated by PUI even outside Europe ?

 

[NoPoke]

Michel I believe that PUI have made an annoucement that TC EX is OFFICIAL

 

[PokePop]

Michel I believe that PUI have made an annoucement that TC EX is OFFICIAL

Believe me, we'd like nothing better than for them to put a link to us.
Not going to happen, though. Never even happened with WotC and we were admins on their own site.

 

[PokePop]

I remember the WotC MT's fighting for their ideas and positions (or the one they had to fight for ), sometimes against more aggressive people - remember the 15+ topics.

Bear in mind, that was on their own board. They paid for it and owned it. We ran it for them, but bottom line, it was part of WotC's Pokemon program. You didn't see them jumping into discussions on Pojo, for example.

This said, I think that a lot of members of the community would like to see PUI take their responsibilities, communicate, give us the opportunity to talk with them in an open discussion (different than emails).
I have the feeling that PUI use 'firewalls' to protect them. TC, local distributors, emails, ... but don't want public discussions like on a board, during a chat, ...

Good points and I won't argue it. My argument is with expecting them to respond where it is apparent that they won't and blaming us for their lack of response, or dragging every discussion on any topic into a larger "PUI isn't responsive" black hole.

You say that you only have 'limited time' for the rulings sessions. That again is quite strange as PUI is supposed to provide the rulings to the players. That's a part of their job and shouldn't be in a 'limited time session'.
If there are questions for hours, well hours must be spent on these questions. It's their job, as simple as that, even if they ask TC to make the rulings public.

I should really clarify my statement on that. Jimmer gives us as much time in a session as we need or as is reasonable to expect. The limitation we run into is that of the demands of real life and getting to bed in time to be conscious at work the next day. Those that know our AIM handles see them all online for long hours on meeting night.
However, if we did not have that meeting set up, I feel confident that the rulings that would get out would be limited to TO FAQs and answers to e-mail questions sent in, answers that would go out to one person, the one that asked the question. I don't think that there would be any clearinghouse of rulings for players to go to.

They don't know the cards and/or rulings of the previous sets ?
Sorry, but I thought Pokemon was one and only one game, Wizards or PUI sets. The rules must be in the same line, must follow the same logic. Judges should know more than the owners of the game and the people who are taking rulings decisions ?

Well, PUI doesn't. They just got the franchise some months ago. Japan knows the old cards, but they tend to roll their eyes when questions revolve around old cards. Remember, they see the Ex cards as a "new" game and are still taken aback when we ask about interactions between old cards and new ones. Not that they won't answer, but it's not how they designed the cards. They designed EX cards to be played against and with EX cards, not e cards, let alone Neo cards.

Open communication are, IMO the key words. Hopefully, thanks to TC, we can still comunicate and share info. There again TC is doing PUI's job

Thank you.