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I seriously cannot believe that this type of thing is happening.

Judges should not be favouring one opponent over another in a match, even after the match is over. It could be a BR or Worlds. It makes no difference

After the tournament is over, of course you can go and hug and congratulate whoever you want. Patriotism is not necessarily a bad thing... I think it was FS who pulled a quite from Mike Liesk which said Worlds is more of a Country vs. Country thing anyway. But for a judge to be openly favouring one player over another during a tournament is just pathetic. It really is.
 
I seriously cannot believe that this type of thing is happening.

Judges should not be favouring one opponent over another in a match, even after the match is over. It could be a BR or Worlds. It makes no difference

After the tournament is over, of course you can go and hug and congratulate whoever you want. Patriotism is not necessarily a bad thing... I think it was FS who pulled a quite from Mike Liesk which said Worlds is more of a Country vs. Country thing anyway. But for a judge to be openly favouring one player over another during a tournament is just pathetic. It really is.

Well you see. What if that player is me?

And what if you were me, and you rolled up to a tournament, and the TO threatens you in ways you could not even imagine to put you off playing?

Or you are just playing, and you get in trouble for something you did not do, and yet other people accused of what you were apparently doing are yelling the word out loud right next to the TO and no, they do not get in trouble.

my Nationals was the biggest kangaroo convention since Saddam's trial. Apparently I said the "f" word, Well I said Crap, I do not deny saying Crap. It was the people behind me YELLING the "f"word, who proceeded to yell it out all day.

And do you not hate it when judges make dodgy rulings just so you can lose? *points finger at Nationals*.
 
I've been judging for like 2-3 years, and I've never once judge any of my brother's games. I usually ask someome to do it instead, just so no one can point fingers towards me. I've seen biased judges in the past and all of them I despise, even today. I usually have no respect for any of them because they love screwing others over wins, mainly the ones who win aren't the most skillful players in the world, and the Biased judges take advantage over it.
 
An example of this would be, an American judge literally pumping his fist and shouting 'Yes! Atleast one Americans In' when jeremy won. In my opinion, its the players win first, and the countries second.

That's pretty lame.

The judge may as well have turned to the defeated kid and called him a big old loser. Not cool.
 
I can imagine it, I've had a judge pump their fist and say "YESSS" after my opponent beat me in a top cut game.

Ditto. When I lost to Geneses in the T8 at our Nats, the judge that was watching our game was more or less cheering him on the entire time between games 1 and 2, as well as after he had beaten me in game 2. Because, you know, heaven forbid that TWO Albertans get into the T4.
Naturally I express it in more of a sour beans way than required, but it was pretty ridiculous.


As for the topc at hand, unless you bring in enough international judges to always have a "neutral" judge running every match, it's bound to happen at Worlds sometimes. Get used to it.
 
You need to appeal when a Judge is wrong..

Judges are human and judges make mistakes. It is important for all players to remember the 1st (table) judge that comes up to your table to make a ruling is not the final authority on your individual game.

If a judge makes a ruling that you know is wrong (like not allowing yo to cut or shuffle your opponents deck) Then it is the players responsibility to let the table judge know "respectfully" that is ruling is wrong and you wish to appeal the ruling to the head judge. It is your right as a player to appeal a ruling that you do not agree with to the head judge at any time. Then the table judge will go get the Head judge and he will come to your table and make a final ruling. Now the ruling if the Head judge is final. But if you do not appeal a bad ruling then it is your fault if you loose because of it. That is why there is a Head judge position in the first place at a tournament. The Head judge exists to be the final arbiter between the table judges and the players, because mistakes will always happen, even among the best of all judges. But the odds of a table judge and the Head judge making the same mistake on the same ruling are much more slim.


I spoke with BDS after the worlds tournament about this very same issue, and he says that after most of the events that he Head judges people come up to him with stories about bad rulings that were made during the event. He feels bad about the mistake, but there is nothing he can do about it after the match is over. The time to complain was when the bad ruling occurred. If a ruling is not appealed while the match is taking place then there is nothing that he as a Head judge can do anything at all to remedy it..
 
I heard that a kid entered Grinders in Seniors with 2 different shades of blue sleeeves and Japaneese cards without opaque sleeves. All he got was a Caution.
I also heard that a guy plays Vaporeon ex but does not use the power, and his opponent shuffles his hand into his deck. It should be a game loss, but the guy gets a warning and gets to draw 4 cards, and the Vaporeon ex player gets a Caution.
 
It might be natural to have respect or affection for a player you know, or of the same nationality as you. But it shouldn't affect judging. If that means the judge isn't allowed to show their true emotions, tough. They have to maintain professionalism at all times - that's what they're there for.

After the tournament, they can cheer and do whatever they want. But like someone else said, cheering and shouting 'yes' to one player is like a smack in the face to the player who just lost.

Seriously not cool.
 
I heard that a kid entered Grinders in Seniors with 2 different shades of blue sleeeves and Japaneese cards without opaque sleeves. All he got was a Caution.
I also heard that a guy plays Vaporeon ex but does not use the power, and his opponent shuffles his hand into his deck. It should be a game loss, but the guy gets a warning and gets to draw 4 cards, and the Vaporeon ex player gets a Caution.

On the other hand, while judging Masters, when one player would play a Vaporeon ex down, he would say nothing and the other player would start to shuffle their hand it.
I stopped him, saying "He has to tell you to do that" and the other player would say, "Oh yeah, shuffle and draw".

So, there is really a lot of sloppy play out there.
People assume left and right what is the other players intent.
Whose fault is it?
General sloppy play leads to bad play.
 
Although nationalism is a fun, good thing, this is an individual sport. Jeremy once said it best, "I'd rather make T8 and lose to a Japanese player than T16 and lose to an American."
 
Judges are human.....

Speak for your self :tongue:

I will judge any match with anybody. In the past i've had to judge my son's match. Luckily we now have some others who have stepped up and i no longer have to directly judge those matches, just indirectly.
 
I've been judging for like 2-3 years, and I've never once judge any of my brother's games. I usually ask someome to do it instead, just so no one can point fingers towards me. I've seen biased judges in the past and all of them I despise, even today. I usually have no respect for any of them because they love screwing others over wins, mainly the ones who win aren't the most skillful players in the world, and the Biased judges take advantage over it.

Well, I gotta say, it's nice you have the ability to not judge your brother's games. I will freely admit I have made a judgement call on games played by my son. However - and this is a BIG however: I have been known to give out fair and impartial rulings regardless. Many times I've made calls which were just as much in favor of his opponents, as they have been for him. That's what judging is all about. Impartiality, even when you have a certain bias. This next sentence is for everyone here, not directed at anyone in particular. I hope you don't think all of us who judge friends or relatives matches can't be impartial.
 
Ditto. When I lost to Geneses in the T8 at our Nats, the judge that was watching our game was more or less cheering him on the entire time between games 1 and 2, as well as after he had beaten me in game 2. Because, you know, heaven forbid that TWO Albertans get into the T4.
Naturally I express it in more of a sour beans way than required, but it was pretty ridiculous.

I sincerely hope that wasn't me! No I don't think so, but it could have been. I apologize if that was the case.
 
On the other hand, while judging Masters, when one player would play a Vaporeon ex down, he would say nothing and the other player would start to shuffle their hand it.
I stopped him, saying "He has to tell you to do that" and the other player would say, "Oh yeah, shuffle and draw".

So, there is really a lot of sloppy play out there.
People assume left and right what is the other players intent.
Whose fault is it?
General sloppy play leads to bad play.

Pop -

This happened to MY son.

In the Juniors division, it was not sloppy play on my son's part. The foreign kid knew exactly what he was doing. If time had been taken to review the situation, then the truth would have come out. For the record, my son appealed, during the match, for the head judge and the head judge never went over to dig into the situation due to extenuation circumstances.

My son was beating the foreign player. The player had 11 cards in his hand and went several turns without an energy. My son played Vap ex on his active and specifically DID NOT INVOKE the power. The kid immediately shuffled his hand in his deck BEFORE my son could stop him. He drew 4 (including an energy). My son called for a Judge. He then asked to have the HJ come over but due to circumstances, the HJ never came over. The foreign player was given a WARNING. That's right, a warning for shuffling his hand into his deck without the effect of a power or card. The foreign player then top decked a switch for the win. This kid needed a new hand and took it. I believe that's cheating. Using the crutch of a different language is an easy and lame way to cheat.

My son told me exactly what happened, he did NOT play sloppy. Any intimation that my son gamed or was sloppy during his turn is flat out wrong. If anybody disagrees with me, PM me and we can talk about it in private.

I did what I could to rectify the situation. I appealed to the head judge of Juniors. I then appealed to the head judge (BDS) of the Event. This was all BEFORE the PAIRINGS went up. Still reversible. This was to no avail. Since I was a judge at worlds, I had to keep my cool and I did. I thank Vince for talking me thru it. I support the decision of the judges and I still do. But NOT for any reason as sloppy play or gaming.

Do I have any animosity toward the Judges? Not at all. I respect each and every judge, especially the HJ of Juniors. He is a great man and has done so much for the game and specifically for my son. Do I disagree with the call? As a judge in the event, I HAD to back out and let the system work itself and let the outcome be what it is.

My son did make T16 and we are all very proud of him.

Steve
 
Is there a formal procedure judges have to go through, like the DCI levels system? Do judges need to be accredited?

Actually, how does one become a judge? Is it enough to be Professor, or do you need more?
 
My son was beating the foreign player. The player had 11 cards in his hand and went several turns without an energy. My son played Vap ex on his active and specifically DID NOT INVOKE the power. The kid immediately shuffled his hand in his deck BEFORE my son could stop him. He drew 4 (including an energy). My son called for a Judge. He then asked to have the HJ come over but due to circumstances, the HJ never came over. The foreign player was given a WARNING. That's right, a warning for shuffling his hand into his deck without the effect of a power or card. The foreign player then top decked a switch for the win. This kid needed a new hand and took it. I believe that's cheating. Using the crutch of a different language is an easy and lame way to cheat.

Steve

This is kind of an aside from the "judging" question....but Very good advice was given to my son about verbally playing the game outloud. When he plays his game he is to call his actions outloud. Makes it very clear to his opponent and any judge that happens to be standing over him watching what he is doing. He is really working hard to perfect this skill, and I am doing the same. I know some may say this seems to be a very childish way to play, and oh, my opponent knows what I'm doing, but as seen above, obviously not, and the opponenet took advantage of something that Steve's son played intentionally for his benefit, but the opponent reaped that and knew exactly what he was doing.

My question in this situation is....if you are purposefully making a choice to not invoke a power that you sense the opponent might assume (which they should not unless called - I absolutely agree with that, and if they do, there should be consequences - my son played an opponent in regionals that shuffled his hand into his deck and it was game loss - his opponent knew it as soon as he did it, and it was too late) (shuffle hand into deck = game loss) but.......if the person playing down the card says outloud, that they are NOT using that particular power......would that be helpful and clearer from a playing and judging standpoint. My son was very adamant when I played Walrein ex Chilling Breath. If I didn't call the power then it was not in play and he could use his trainers...which is his disadvantage.....just as if the power is not called.....the opponent can't just use it because it fits his/or her advantage....if it was to their disadvantage they wouldn't just use it if the person playing it didn't call it!

I'm looking at the situation and saying....OK....this could happen to anyone....especially in a situation that looks to me that the opponent is looking for a new hand! :rolleyes: Cheating is often a hard thing to prove......but the person playing with a person who cheats can only do as much as they can do to prevent the possibility ie: shuffling, cutting, watching the opponenet instead of looking at their own hand etc. I know there are ways to retrace games, but anyway.....just some thoughts........
 
Ask any FL player, I have a habit of walking through every single little thing I do during my own turns. I don't play much but I, for one, make sure that when I do it, I do it right!
 
One thing to always remember about the above power & most if not all other powers are that they have to be "invoked" to be used. They are not automatic. They are not poke-bodies that are "on".
 
For a judge to treat players different in Worlds because of nationalty spoils the meaning of the Worlds Championship

Having worlds in Europe would stop this problem ^^
 
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