Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by dialga master, Mar 23, 2011.

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  1. dialga master

    dialga master New Member


    1 Gengar Lv.X
    1 Gengar Prime
    2 Gengar SF
    2 Haunter TM
    1 Haunter SF
    4 Gastly SF
    4 Spiritomb
    2 Vileplume UD
    2 Gloom UD
    2 Oddish LA
    1 Unown q
    2 Uxie
    1 Blissy PL
    1 Chancey PL
    1 Azelf
    1 Tech


    4 Pokemon Collector
    2 Bebes
    3 Lookers
    3 Copycat
    2 Seeker
    2 Twins
    3 Broken Time Space


    7 Psychic
    3 Rescue
    3 Warp

    Strategy: Start setting up with spiritomb. Once you have a gengar and a vileplume, start attacking with gengar. (Usually polturgiest) Rescue energy is for recovery, lookers is for disruption. (Which is really good with trainer lock)
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2011
  2. rayquaza2222

    rayquaza2222 New Member

    -1 Gengar Prime
    -1 BTS
    -1 lookers
    -3 Copycat

    +1 Gengar SF
    +2 Seeker
    +3 Judge
  3. dialga master

    dialga master New Member

    ^ Could you explain why you would advise me to do this?
  4. rayquaza2222

    rayquaza2222 New Member

    Gengar SF is beter to use here than that one Gengar Prime

    Copycat not really needed

    4 BTS too much

    Judge for stopping the opponent from using good cards
  5. dialga master

    dialga master New Member

    3 BTS sounds good.

    Is 4 seeker really needed?

    Are you sure I should take out ALL of my copycat and my gengar PRIME??
  6. Mama_Luigi

    Mama_Luigi New Member

    Naw, bro keep copycat and gengar prime.
    You're fine with 3 seeker, although I would like to see 1 or 2 judge in here.
    Mr. Mime and azelf are also too good to pass up.
    Looker's aren't entirely needed after mime goes in, you could keep one I guess. 3 bts works.
    I'd like to see calls in here, but I don't wanna jack up the energy line.
  7. chase4787

    chase4787 New Member

    I like Crobat g in mine, it makes pixies 1 shots with flash bite and shadow room

    Atleast 2 Seeker to reuse Crobat and heal Gengars in the mirror

    I never liked judge much in mine, it always seemed counter-productive

    Gengar prime can be fun for disruption but it never worked well enough for me so I went with a 3rd Gengar SF. Use whatever works best for you

    Call energy also has never worked well enough for me but it can't hurt to try

    3 BTS will do just fine

    I love copycat, it helps you compete against sp's speed as they usually have big hands

    I just recently started using Mr. Mime and love it so far so I recommend you try it

    Azelf also seems like a good idea but i do not have any so I've never tried it

    If you'd like to see my list I'd be happy to post it
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2011
  8. dialga master

    dialga master New Member

    I think it would help if I could see your list..

    I think I'm gonna try crobat or/and mr. Mime.
  9. chase4787

    chase4787 New Member

    * indicates a note regarding the card is below
    X1 Gengar lv x
    X3 Gengar sf
    X3 Haunter sf*
    x4 gastly sf
    X2 vileplume ud
    X2 gloom ud
    X1 oddish la
    X1 oddish ud*
    X1 Mr. Mime cl
    X1 crobat g pl
    X3 spiritomb ar*
    X4 professor oak's new theory
    X2 copycat
    X2 volkner's philosophy*
    X1 palmer's contribution
    X2 looker's investigation
    X3 bebe's search
    X3 seeker
    X3 Pokemon collector
    X3 broken time-space
    X3 cyrus's conspiracy*
    X6 psychic
    X4 rescue
    X2 warp

    Haunter sf - the one from triumphant is also a viable option, I just don't have any

    Oddish ud - the oddish from legends awakened is your ideal one for the better weakness and higher Hp, I just don't have another

    Spiritomb ar - 4 is ideal but you can get away with 3 if you only have 3 or don't have the room

    Volkner's Philosophy - I really like this card for discarding useless set up cards late game (bts, collector etc) and since I don't run Uxie it's nice draw power

    Cyrus's Conspiracy - it gets me the supporters when I need them and guarantees me energy not like hand refreshers or interviewer's questions

    There you go, hope it helps
  10. jk8971

    jk8971 New Member

    ^ I like and would pay strong attention to his Notes.

    you Want 4 tomb.
    The Haunter from Triumphant has free retreat. (Better IMO)
    I don't like cyrus or volkners, and Highly recommend uxie and an unown q.

    Rest is ok, maybe 1 rescue for 1 warp. (preference really)
  11. dialga master

    dialga master New Member

    Thanks all of you!!!
    I'm gonna update my list!
    Its even better than before!

    How should I go about beating mirror matches.
    Their hard for me. >.<
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2011
  12. Mama_Luigi

    Mama_Luigi New Member

    Shadow room is pretty much everything in the mirror cause it can get around fainting spell and rescue energy.
    Just ignore vileplume completely, and go shadow rooming his gengars.
  13. chase4787

    chase4787 New Member

    Shadow room, retreat, seeker.

    Rinse and repeat.

    Ditto la can help too. You don't want to go too crazy worrying about the mirror though.
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2011
  14. UkeleleMilo

    UkeleleMilo New Member

    Palkia G LvX + 1 Lucario. anyone?
    reduces both player's bench (maybe not so great in the mirror... but still.)
    I think it'd be a great tech against Dark Types (Honchkrow... etc) that uses the 'drawbacks' of a palkia to your advantage. Could also allow you to ADD a Gengar SF so that it can polterguise its way to victory with PolterGar in the zone...
    Just a thought. :)
    Palkia G LvX would add to your lost world win scenario AND give you some damage dealers (using the lost zone theme) to counter those that hurt you most.
    It's 3 card slots that it takes up, but I think it'd be worth it... :eek:

    Thanks :)
  15. DIZZtheWHIZZ

    DIZZtheWHIZZ New Member

    Don't get out vileplume, rush Gengar and Blissey, and make sure you're the first one to Shadow Room. Whoever has to Shadow Room second loses.
  16. pokemon54

    pokemon54 New Member

    Why does nobody except in my are use Elm's in this deck? I don't ever see it anywhere else in these decks...
  17. Elite_4_Allen

    Elite_4_Allen New Member

    This list looks solid but I would add a second unown Q.
  18. chase4787

    chase4787 New Member

    Bebe's is more versatile. It lets you get the lv x or a basic in a pinch. Atleast that's how i feel.
  19. WaiterJoy

    WaiterJoy New Member

    Second unown q is just unecessary.
    Especially since he uses 3 warp instead of 2.
  20. DIZZtheWHIZZ

    DIZZtheWHIZZ New Member

    Elm's is kinda bad imo. So is the second Q.
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