Weeds. A new contender. (article, matchups, etc. Included.)

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  1. The Knee

    The Knee New Member

    pokemon-19 (8 basics)

    2x Turtwig
    2x Grotle
    2x Torterra(IFDS)
    1x Torterra lv.X

    4x Cherubi(IFDS)
    4x Cherrim(IFDS)

    2x Shaymin
    2x Shaymin lv.X


    4x Felicities drawing
    2x Miasma valley
    2x Rossane's research
    2x Rare candy
    4x Bebe's search
    4x Warp point
    2x Night matinence
    1x Luxury ball
    2x Premier ball
    3x Pokeradar


    11x Grass energy
    4x Call energy

    Spoilers for new cards

    Cherubi LV.9 – Grass – HP50
    Basic Pokemon

    [.] Nap: Remove 2 damage counters from Cherubi.
    [G] Bullet Seed: Flip 4 coins, this attack does 10 damage x the number of heads.

    Weakness: Fire (+10)
    Resistance: Water (-20)
    Retreat: 1


    Cherrim LV.30 – Grass – HP80
    Stage 1 – Evolves from Cherubi

    Poke-Body: Sunny Day
    Each of your Grass-type and Fire-type Pokemon’s attacks does an additional 10 damage to your opponent’s Active Pokemon.

    [.] Sweet and Salty Pollen: 20 damage. Remove 2 damage counters from 1 of your Pokemon.
    [G][C][C] Solar Beam: 50 damage.

    Weakness: Fire (+20)
    Resistance: Water (-20)
    Retreat: 1


    Shaymin LV.42 – Grass – HP70
    Basic Pokemon

    [G] Flower Aroma: 10 damage. Remove 2 damage counters from Shaymin, and the Defending Pokemon is now Asleep.
    [G][C] Damage Aid: 30 damage. If the Defending Pokemon is affected by a Special Condition, this attack does an additional 50 damage. Then, remove all Special Conditions from the Defending Pokemon.

    Weakness: Fire (+20)
    Resistance: Water (-20)
    Retreat: 1

    Shaymin LV.X – Grass – HP100
    Level Up

    Poke-Body: Sense of Gratitude
    Each of your Grass-type Pokemon in play (excluding any Shaymin) has its maximum HP increased by 40. This Body stops working if you already have another Sense of Gratitude Poke-Body in effect.

    [G][C][C] Seed Flare: 40 damage. You may choose any number of Grass Energy in your hand and attach them to your Pokemon in any way you like. If you do, this attack does an additional 20 damage for each Energy card you attach.

    Weakness: Fire (x2)
    Resistance: Water (-20)
    Retreat: 1


    Torterra LV.47 – Fighting – HP140
    Stage 2 – Evolves from Grotle

    Poke-Power: Solar Song
    You can use this Power once during your turn, when you play this card from your hand to Evolve a Pokemon. Choose any number of your Grass-type Pokemon in play. Search your deck for an Evolution card that Evolves from each of the chosen Pokemon, and Evolve them. Shuffle your deck afterward.

    [C][C] Crash Impact: 60 damage. Torterra does 20 damage to itself. Switch the Defending Pokemon with one of your opponent’s Benched Pokemon. Your opponent chooses the Benched Pokemon to switch.
    [G][G][C][C] Ground Shaker: 80 damage. During your opponent’s next turn, whenever your opponent plays a Basic Pokemon card from his or her hand onto the Bench, place 2 damage counters on that Pokemon.

    Weakness: Water (+30)
    Resistance: Lightning (-20)
    Retreat: 4

    Luxury Ball – Trainer

    Search your deck for 1 Pokemon card (excluding Pokemon LV.X), show it to your opponent, and put it in your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward.

    If there’s already a card named Luxury Ball in your discard pile, you can’t play this card.

    Poke-radar – Trainer

    Look at the top 5 cards of your deck, choose any number of Pokemon you find there, show them to your opponent, and put them in your hand. Return the remaining cards to your deck and shuffle your deck.

    The plan? Simple. Fill up my bench quickly, get 2-4 Cherrim's on it, get out a shaymin X and hit away. Torterra makes this easy, and felicities+Claydol let me drop cards i don't need yet. Torterra covers the fire weakness well enough, and having a stage 1 that can hit for 80 for 3 with 120 hp is downright scary. Night matinence to pick up the pieces, However, the main reason the deck is so good, is because it is consistently doing at least 30 for free and healing for 2 by turn 2. Each turn it simply gets stronger, and with the torterra line, it allows a turn-around victory, as well as some type coverage. Pokeradar does the trick for the search, and i have specialized search for the shaymin that i need to get out by turn 4-5. My average bench by turn 4-5 is...


    Torterra, Cherrim, Cherrim, Shaymin X, Baltoy/claydol.

    At this point i am hitting for 50 for free each turn, and all the cherrim's have 120 hp. They are usually 3 hit ko'd and can kill just about anything in 3 turns. Shaymin is the smasher when a threat too big comes out. I also power up the currently useless torterra at this point with shaymin. The deck runs extremely smooth, and sets up a lot like skittles. I'm not sure about the rare candies, but they have been helping so far. I really really want to fit bucks in here. Or at least some pluspowers, but i really don't know how i would make room. Below are matchups after testing for almost 5 days.

    As for current testing against decks in this meta.....

    It looses to skittles. Just about every single time. Ho-oh ohko's it without shaymin, and even with shaymin, it can ohko it with 5 energies. It can also set up faster and simply wreak havoc.

    G&G: Current record against; 5-3.
    I am winning against GG most of the time in testing. Cherrim's healing really messes them up, and Torterra/Shaymin actually pulls through a lot for me in this matchup against the gallade. Since everything on my bench has at least 80 hp, bring down is useless more often then not, and i really don't Fear telepass all that much. This deck is the main reason i want pluspowers. I need some sort of way to 2hit Gardy. Im usually dealing 50 per turn causing me to 3 hit it instead.

    Kingdra- Record against 7-1
    This is insane. I win this match nearly every game. Resisting kingdra and healing to mess with it is great. It helps that i have gotten Shaymin X out very quickly every game, but still, this is just crazy so far. It simply can't handle the continous rush of cherrim's and once i get shaymin X out the game is usually won.

    Magnazone- 1-4 I can't seem to beat this deck for the life of me. I get locked, and just can't seem to find a way out of it. This is the cause of the warp points in the deck. Even with the warp points, this matchup really murders me. I don't know what to do about it. I'm considering adding a 1-1 tech line of something to deal with it, but i don't know what i would add. The only time i have beaten this deck was via a turn 3 cherrim 90 power donk on magnaton. (Got out torterra 3rd turn with 4 cherubi's(One with 3 energy) on my bench. GG)

    Dunno what else people are going to running, but this is all i have tested against so far. Feel free to add input about matchups if you test the deck. Rate's and fixes are, as always appreciated. Thank you for your time.
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2008
  2. Blaziken 1111

    Blaziken 1111 Active Member

    who is your main attacker.
  3. The Knee

    The Knee New Member

    Cherrim's. hitting 50 for free and healing 2 does the trick for the majority of the game. Shaymin and torterra can handle the larger threats(Shaymin X can usually One hit anything once per game.)
  4. Dennis Hawk

    Dennis Hawk New Member

    Just a note... Put in a Torterra Lv.X. It makes your IFDS torterra a 200 HP beast, gives you a nifty power and makes Torterra's first attack somewhat manageable with that massive HP. If you're against fire, well, nobody is forcing you to level it up, but against water Torterra Lv.X could prove nifty.

    Edit: Also note that Cherrim's power only adds damage to your opponent's active pokémon, so Torterra X will be swinging max 100 with 2 energies with only 20 drawback...
  5. orangematt

    orangematt New Member

    When attacking with it, it would reap the benefit of Sunny Day as a Grass-Type.

  6. The Knee

    The Knee New Member

    Mmm, ill add the torterra X, expect the list to be updated shortly.
  7. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    This is gonna be VERY slow without Sceptile...

    Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

    And you do realize that Shaymin's Poke-BODY doesn't work with Torterra IFDS, right?

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    ...nor does Cherrim's.
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2008
  8. The Knee

    The Knee New Member

    I realize both those things, and sceptile would simply slow the deck down. I don't need energy at all to attack. I like to have 3-4 in my hand at most times for shaymin. And Shaymin works with the new lv.x i added.

    EDIT:I clearly list out the strategy. Torterra, although able to attack, does not need to attack under most circumstances. However, by adding the level X most people suggested, i am able to have a surprise 200 hp 100 damage attacker at a minnimum.
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2008
  9. Killax

    Killax New Member

    Like suggested above, drop 1-1 cherrubi/cherrim for 1-1 sceptile

    Also drop 1 warp point and 1 pokerader for an extra baltoy and claydol.

    That would make the list better and more solid.
  10. The Knee

    The Knee New Member

    Hmm. I don't know how else to explain it. Sceptile does not work in the deck. I will now make the equivilent of a billboard explaining why.

    There Is No Need For Sceptile in This Deck Because It is not Dependant On Energy
  11. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    Yeah, nevermind. I thought that that was Torterra DP or something before I realised it was IFDS, I thought it was your main attacker. Sorry.
  12. Umbreon777

    Umbreon777 New Member

    Hmm, is a grass Torterra and/or the Lv.X out of question?

    Also, can you test this deck against Scorpio? Its in this forum. You can if you want, Im just curious.
  13. The Knee

    The Knee New Member

    Update: I have dropped the claydol line for now. It consistently took up too much bench space and reaped too little reward. Im looking for some sort of 1 card tech to take it's place.

    Umbreon- Sure, what system do you use?
  14. Umbreon777

    Umbreon777 New Member

    The list on my thread. Its the official list as of now.
  15. butlerforhire

    butlerforhire New Member

    You could benefit from Miasma Valley since all the basics you'd be playing to your bench are grass. Torterra's 2nd attack also has nice synergy with it.
  16. The Knee

    The Knee New Member

    Alright, Ty butler. Aborted the tech line of pokemon. 2x Miasma valley lets me counter stadium and benefits the goal of the deck as well. Hurting the decks that give weeds a major problem. Will find something to drop.
  17. The Machampion

    The Machampion New Member

    I Will Show You My Fixes, and then i will give reasons.

    -4 Cherrim
    -4 Cherubi

    - 4 Felicities Drawing

    + 4 Bucks Training

    + 1 Turtwig
    + 1 Torterra

    + 2 Treeko
    + 1 Grovyle
    + 2 Sceptile GE

    + 1 Rare Candy

    Forst off, Whats Miasma Valley?? Second Off, Torterra really Should Be Your Main Attacker. I Know Cherrubi Would Be Nice, But Your bench Space is really Limited as it is and what will + 20 be when your opponents has 100 damage on them very turn. Plus Buckws Give you more power whenneeded. I would Also Get Claydol In Here. Space Is Tight Though.

  18. butlerforhire

    butlerforhire New Member

    You can find it on Pokebeach in the IFDS Japanese spoilers section, but in short it is a Stadium card that forces each player to put 2 damage counters on every basic Pokemon they play to the bench EXCEPT for grass and psychic Pokemon.
  19. The Knee

    The Knee New Member

    The Machampion- Although i will not restructure the deck to make torterra the main attacker(Thats a seperate deck, it's called torterrible, and it never lives up to it's hype.) I will attempt to find room for bucks. After dropping the claydol line, i have lacked draw, so i will find something to drop(Probably not falicities.) to make room for it. Suggestions are welcome.
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