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What's the rule on deck checks?
- Thread starter I am Entei
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I understand that Gatr but newbies and the little ones need help to understand what modified means, swiss, and other terms used at tournaments. It may seem simple and straightforward to experienced players but is very confusing for them and their parents. So maybe as was suggested in an earlier post, we do a bettter announcement and explanantion at the beginning of the tournament and maybe have a short FAQ to pass out to parents and newbies explaining. Just a thought....
That is what leagues are for!! I certainly dont want to turn away any new player, but I dont want to "punish" all the other players by having them wait forever while I fix a couple of decks from a pile of old and new cards. My fliers, thread posts, etc all mention the type of tourney it is. A BR is Modified. My experience with "newbie" is that we have to have a judge camped out at their tables/area to make sure the procedures are followed. This takes away from the other players also. I'd much prefer to intorduce a new player to the game via league OR a prerelease, where no points are on the line.
Please do not take this to mean I dont want new players at my events. I'm just explaining the flip side too!
Keith
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Absolutely agreed. About 3 years ago we failed to adequately check decks at CO States. A kid had more than 4 of the Pokemon in his deck. He thought the rule-of-4 only applied to individual cards. So, he had multiple versions of the same Pokemon (ie., 4 metal Pikachus and 4 lightning Pikachus). We made him change his deck without a game loss, be he was so devasted that he hasn't returned since.
Also, of all players, our local top Junior player (Tristan - the US Nats Champ) showed up at his first BR with Energy Removal 2's in his deck. The deck checker (me I think), failed to catch that error. Not until the 3rd round did we catch it. With or without the cards, Tristan would've won the event. We applied the penalty (which was reduced to a prize loss), but Tristan handled it well, being the top-notched player he is.
SteveP: ER2 was reprinted in PK. What was the problem?
Keith
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Ooops. I meant Pokemon Reversals. :redface:What's wrong with Energy Removal 2's?
HurricaneWarty
New Member
So, unlike Worlds, noone checked the list to confirm that the deck in the list was legal?
Given that people travelled a long way, and were there for the big prize, I guess, maybe, eh, I can accept that, but in a smaller event, with new players and people right off of the turnip truck, what complications you cause for yourself.
I will take my discussion of this to the PTO forums.
Chase me down there.
Vince
I still don't see why judges would have to confirm if a deck list has legal cards or not, since the contents of both a deck list and a deck are the player's responsibility. I understand the argument that it should be done to ensure that games are not played with the illegal cards, but my guess is somewhere around 90-95% of the player base knows what is legal, and any judge patrolling an area early searching for prize cards and such would catch if a card is legal or not. And if it is a trainer card that isn't played until later in the match, someone could still just sneak that in without noting it on the deck list or replacing a card written on the list with the one they wanted to play.
We require players to turn in decklists.
What do we do that for, entertainment?
Obviously it's so you can copy the list and post them all over the internet!
Seriously guys, saying the lists are the players' responsibility ONLY is asking for players to cheat. If someone made it to round 3 with 3x Pokemon Reversal in his deck, that sounds like an easy PTO to pull cheats on, slipping in subtle illegal cards to improve the deck for the first few rounds.
If you're going to leave the deck lists up to the players and NOT make sure the decks are legal, you should disqualify players who are caught with incorrect cards in their decks.
Quit being such utter idiots about decklists, oh boo hoo you're giving the PTO and a judge or two your list, CRY ABOUT IT - now get the tournament moving in a legal manner or you're opening up too much potential for cheating... especially if people KNOW the PTO doesn't plan to do specific list checks, lol.
• Card References: If a player is using foreign cards, or reprinted
cards which have had significant text changes, the deck checker
should require the player to present their reference cards or the
Card-Dex entries where applicable.
Keith
I have some old Steven's Advice and do not have a reference card so what are the Card-Dex entries?
Bugsbite: The card dex is located on the op website. It is under the tournament tab....click on rules and resources. From there, click on the card dex link. You can print out the page where Steven's Advice is located (or any other card that you need a outside reference from)
Keith
Keith
Bugsbite: The card dex is located on the op website. It is under the tournament tab....click on rules and resources. From there, click on the card dex link. You can print out the page where Steven's Advice is located (or any other card that you need a outside reference from)
Keith
Thx Keith! Found the info.