Where's My Phione (and others)?

Discussion in 'TCG News & Gossip Discussion' started by eriknance, Jan 25, 2008.

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  1. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    I'll respectfully diagree.
    One or two people may have been playing some kind of Magma deck before worlds, but I think it is fair to say that the "Metagame" was unaware of the deck and it took the American players by surprise. There was no presence of the deck in lists of winners or runners up for any Premeire events. It took the US players time to figure out how to play against the deck, and by then it was too late.

    Both builds differed significantly from US/European builds.
    Taking Yamato, for example, the crux of the deck was his Corsola opening which let him get his Water evos out fast. It was amazing that no one in our Metagame had seen the worth of the card. No one was using it!
    The Infernape tech was for Scizor/Metagross matchups.
    I don't think he would have kept it in if he has known that those matchups were going to be so few and far between. But I'm just guessing there.
  2. TheDarkTwins

    TheDarkTwins Active Member

    The Infernape line pretty much single handily won him the 3rd/4th matchup.

  3. Bohn

    Bohn New Member

    srsly, where are we going with this topic? honestly, to nowhere.
    no Mewtwo on dp4, no claydol, no phione, no this, no that.

    will PUI hear the competitive player? no. PUI will always and ever keep doing their stuff according to sales/marketing/merchandising/etc, there're people hired to do that.

    sorry being kinda pessimist in such topic, but as lia said before, i predict our nats will be HP-GE. and if such theories are true, i'm afraid of an horrible metagame for our nats. sad, but still true.
  4. TheDarkTwins

    TheDarkTwins Active Member

    There will be 1 more set. It will be in Late April/Early May before the last set of Battle Roads. I expect the set to have a few suprises. I am not sure why but I feel that way.

    Last edited: Jan 26, 2008
  5. Bohn

    Bohn New Member

    I honestly think the same as you Drew. But lets face the facts:

    You have 1 "problem": PUI's policy

    But i have 2: Yours + our LD's latency.

    SW we got oficially in Brazil only on xmas! More than a month after the official release in the US (even stores bringing the packs by theirself, we'are not allowed to play in a premier event).
    The english DP5 would come like 3 months after GE, so it'd be on middle of may, which is our nats date.
    So, the format for nats is surely HP-GE :frown:
  6. ToysRUsKid

    ToysRUsKid Active Member

    I just don't understand why Garchomp was delay'd until DP5. They obviously had room in DP3, but they chose not to throw it in there.

    Whatever, a more open format for Nationals should be fun :D
  7. charmander rox

    charmander rox New Member

    I can see why Mewtwo would be moved back, because it makes sense to have cards in the same set as the LvX.
  8. ShadowCard

    ShadowCard Active Member

    At a CC which I judged, one player in the Seniors, who is known for doing very well at tournaments, messed up because of such a mistake and he wasn't aware of the ruling. Context of the card's text should have told him there was something wrong with the way the card was written, but he thought nothing of it.

    Hasn't the distance between Japan sets and the rest of the world been far greater in the past?

    Has anyone thought that the removal of certain cards from sets and placing them into later sets is active planning for future Modified formats?

    Personally, I like the recent mixing of card sets. I dislike that players are planning this game instead of playing it. Don't play with cards that don't yet exist in our card pool. Anyone remember when we played with the cards we have? I remember people saying that they were testing Team Galactic's Wager before it was released and how it would be detrimental to the game and that it would encourage mass occurrances of cheating. The game survivied and it was sportsmanlike conduct that prevailed.

    Another reason I like the mixing of sets is because it brings surprise back into the game. People read spoilers for two sets into the future and think they know what's coming. Then we get a set like Power Keepers, or find cards like Garchomp LvX missing from sets they were predicted to be in. Perhaps these cards are getting removed because people from POP/PUI are reading these forums and intentionally arranging the removing of cards in an attempt to mess with our minds and keep our skills sharp, instead of allowing what is to be released so predictable. When children peek at the gifts under the tree, some parents give those gifts away :eek:.
  9. ToysRUsKid

    ToysRUsKid Active Member

    Electivire, and Lucario :p
  10. lolzorz

    lolzorz New Member

    and honchkrow :p
  11. Lucario EX

    Lucario EX Moderator<br>Fanfic Contest Host

    But the way that the sets get massively better, you really kind of have to practice with cards before their release. Think about it. DP came out, and Infernape and Lucario were absurdly broken. Then MT came out, and Blissey was winning everything, while Infernape was totally forgotten, and Lucario didn't see nearly as much use. Then SW came out, and almost no one plays Blissey. The format is completely dominated by Gallade, Gardevoir, Absol, and Magmortar. The average player could spend months thinking of HP-SW combos, only to be beaten by vastly overpowered GE cards. (Don't anyone whine at me about how GE is rubbish, I don't know what's in the set!) IMO, it's a good idea to practice with future cards, as long as you don't get too excited about a particular deck.
  12. ShadowCard

    ShadowCard Active Member

    All those archetypes and their histories you mentioned are hindsight. It doesn't apply. You need to look at what people thought of before the set was released. How do the predictions match reality? For example, there's an interview on PIRN during a Mysterious Treasures prerelease. In it, a guy says that he expects Garchomp from Mysterious Treasures will do well because "in the next set, Garchomp will be how you say broken". The next set, which was Secret Wonders, has come and now we're on the toes of the set after. Garchomp is hardly broken - it's not even expected in the metagame (you failed to mention it if it is somewhere in the metagame). But that's because the card the speaker was thinking of wasn't released in our timeline. It only existed in SW in the reality of those who expected and practiced with it in that set. And while people were practicing with cards that don't yet exist in English, a different set of cards were the ones to take power.

    Vastly overpowered GE cards which may not even be in the GE set. That's the beauty of the rest of the world's release having a few differences from Japan's: the future of the format won't be so predictable that players are planning instead of playing.

    Really, there is more in our format than Gardevoir, Gallade, Absol and Magmorter. We are nowhere near the days when it was just RAMBO and Gardevoir.
  13. TheDarkTwins

    TheDarkTwins Active Member

    That is flawed logic. Gardevoir/Gallade/Absol/Magmortar/Gardevoir Lv. X where ALL originally in DP4 which is our Great Encounters. The fact that they were moved doesnt mean anything. They were and still are very popular. They are good, very good. I would find it very hard to beleive that there is something the the set that will majorly change the format. If I have remember from years past most of the good deck were already established by Cities/States.

  14. ShadowCard

    ShadowCard Active Member

    TheDarkTwins, I don't see how your post addresses what Lucario EX was posting. You're trying to argue whether or not GE will be a good set, which is not what she is making a point of.
  15. Lucario EX

    Lucario EX Moderator<br>Fanfic Contest Host

    My replies are in bold.
  16. ShadowCard

    ShadowCard Active Member

    No, I can't say that's incorrect, you are right. But does that mean people should whine about it when those cards are not in the set they were expected to be in? People should not expect any one card to be in any one set just because it is that way in the Japanese set, or sets in the case of the dual sets. We got too comfortable reading spoilers and being spoiled. So comfortable that when the spoilers don't match the set release we cry about it.

    I still wonder if certain cards are being changed around different sets in an attempt to influence future modified formats.
  17. chriscobi634

    chriscobi634 New Member

    r those the same people who said blissey was bad and gallade wasn't it's counter?
  18. toxictaipan

    toxictaipan New Member

    That's right people, there is no promise made by any one that these cards are or are not going to be in the set. Would it not be funny for them to say there is only going to be one LV.X in this deck and they where right, and then them say that there where going to be five LV.X's and a new "special" card in the set, then they turn around and there is only two LV.X's and no "special" card. That would be really funny because you would beleive them because they told the truth last time.

    But I do think they make it complicated by mixing the sets up. I can understand Darkrei (or however you spell it) because of the movie. But that makes no since now, just look at the front page.

    It would be so much easier if every one (not just the U.S.A.) was in sync with Japan's sets and modified format.

    If we had the same sets we would not be fussing about which cards are in which set.

    And if we had the same format then this thread would have never been started.

    This just shows how overly complicated this makes it.

    I don't see where the excuse that "It's a free tourny so there modified format must be messed up." comes from though. Does any one here know?
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2008
  19. Nevermore

    Nevermore New Member

    Easier for whom? Netdeckers who want to steal Japan's winning decks? Seriously, the mix-and-match approach to the sets is a GREAT move. It guarantees to us that we've got a different metagame compared to Japan, that people are actually forced to think and come up with concepts that work in our cardpool because they can't create a matching copy of the deck of [Insert Japanese Genius here].

    I wholeheartedly agree with what ShadowCard said:
    These are OUR sets, people. If you're that much in love with the japanese ones, I'd recommend moving to Japan. That's the only way to definitely get what your precious spoilers predict.
  20. Dom

    Dom New Member

    Corsola was tried elsewhere but generally not considered the play which I'd still agree with.

    I'd guess now their just gonna give us DP5 straight in August (our DP6) and have our DP5 w/ the aforementioned missing cards/entry packs etc and maybe a few cards from DP5 for convenience, like how Gardy came out early. The Xs will probably be Garchomp, Glaceon and Leafeon and MAYBE 1 or 2 of the 8 from DP5 if they don't wanna put 8 in a set over here.
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