Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Which Gengar Deck is Best?

LOL Shen, as for Box of Fail, yeah you are probably right in some cases and in other cases you are wrong. How many people would you say play Gengar and use him for Shadow Room and win with him all of the time in some cases? Have you faced up to Gengar before and lost? I am just saying that you aren't fully right about Gengar and in some cases you are. I would also bet Machamp has been a bother to you since you said what you said towards both of them and IMO I don't really care for GeChamp but yet a lot of people do. I think Mother Gengar is the best after this thread. LOL. You probably know what I mean. LOL
 
DEOXEYS cool form 7777777 said:
Gechamp is the best. People say it's inconsistant and well... It isn't. With the right list it can really shine. And with Relicanth it's just so good. In 6 games I've had one bad game and I still took 4 prizes. Nidoqueen is cool in Gengar but it's not the best. In order best to worst ( IMO )

Gechamp
Mother Gengar
Gengar
Metal Gengar

Metal Gengar is a JOKE.
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lol
imo here the best gengar deck in the format
mother gengar all of it atter need 1 engery to attack to do decent attacks and have awesome pokepower or awesome pokebodys
metal gengar(bc this deck can get set up very fast and k o pokemon very fast making all this basic pokemon feel like those carpy 30 hp pokemon im not going to name any names:)
gemachamp bc u need more then 1 threat in a deck. but this deck is cheap. lol
staight gengar is sort of a joke.
ok u play that against me all i have to do is shut down ur gengars and if u flop on ur flips which will happend ur done u need more then one threat in a deck.
straight gengar not good enough anymore.
and honestly br since they dont mean anything who honeslty play thier best deck at fall brs.
dont say to me that straight the best untell u played the rest.
and if no one in ur area doesnt think gengar is a good deck then make them play for it at citys. :thumb:
 
Box of Fail said:
Gechamp is a joke. All cheap wins, not an ounce of fair play. Take Out. Fainting Spell. IMO Fainting Spell should've never been made, it's a cheap power involving no skill that I've seen several Gengar players rely on completely. It's pitiful. Anyway, any game that Gechamp plays lasts for a very short time, or loses. All donks and heads and luck and SP matchups There isn't any skill in it whatsoever.
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While the deck might be more flip based and matchup luck based than most decks that doesn't mean that skill is not a factor. I would fear a GeChamp built and run by a top tier player far more than I would fear one netdecked and run by an inxperienced player. The former will have a much better idea of how to capitalize on luck and will avoid misplays that the less experienced player will not.

Skill matters no matter what the deck is. You might not like this deck but that doesn't mean that skill has no bearing on how it functions in actual play.
 
vanderbilt_grad said:
While the deck might be more flip based and matchup luck based than most decks that doesn't mean that skill is not a factor. I would fear a GeChamp built and run by a top tier player far more than I would fear one netdecked and run by an inxperienced player. The former will have a much better idea of how to capitalize on luck and will avoid misplays that the less experienced player will not.

Skill matters no matter what the deck is. You might not like this deck but that doesn't mean that skill has no bearing on how it functions in actual play.
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ur right
the best players dont make mistake or misplays.
 
vanderbilt_grad said:
While the deck might be more flip based and matchup luck based than most decks that doesn't mean that skill is not a factor. I would fear a GeChamp built and run by a top tier player far more than I would fear one netdecked and run by an inxperienced player. The former will have a much better idea of how to capitalize on luck and will avoid misplays that the less experienced player will not.

Skill matters no matter what the deck is. You might not like this deck but that doesn't mean that skill has no bearing on how it functions in actual play.
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I agree and basically said the same thing but a little different. LOL
 
I don't see why people are bashing metagross when it is a decent card. I definitely wouldn't recommend anything higher than a 1-0-1 line, but it's so amazing late game. The other thing is that GeQueen, Mother Gengar, Queengar, whatever you call it can have techs...whether it's relicanth/ditto/pachirisu/etc.

I personally run 4-3-4 Gengar, 2-1-2 Queen, 1-0-1 Gross. I start out with the typical MG setup and mid-late game I drop the metagross for KO's on Azelfs, Bats, Dol, and 50HP basics they may drop. Metagross also makes it REALLY easy for Nidoqueen to score KO's. It really depends on the t/s/s line that determines consistency. In decks like this, heavy BTS line and pokeradar are like PB&J....so goood.

It's 16-1 with the only loss being to dialga/garchomp/lux since Benched Dialga kills half the deck and gar c prevents bench snipe KO's on it.
 
Austino said:
I don't see why people are bashing metagross when it is a decent card. I definitely wouldn't recommend anything higher than a 1-0-1 line, but it's so amazing late game. The other thing is that GeQueen, Mother Gengar, Queengar, whatever you call it can have techs...whether it's relicanth/ditto/pachirisu/etc.

I personally run 4-3-4 Gengar, 2-1-2 Queen, 1-0-1 Gross. I start out with the typical MG setup and mid-late game I drop the metagross for KO's on Azelfs, Bats, Dol, and 50HP basics they may drop. Metagross also makes it REALLY easy for Nidoqueen to score KO's. It really depends on the t/s/s line that determines consistency. In decks like this, heavy BTS line and pokeradar are like PB&J....so goood.

It's 16-1 with the only loss being to dialga/garchomp/lux since Benched Dialga kills half the deck and gar c prevents bench snipe KO's on it.
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I was thinking the same at first but am not so sure now as it seems everyone loves GeChamp and Mother Gengar. Maybe 4-2-3-1 Gengar, 2-1-1 Nidoqueen and 1-0-1 Metagross is very decent? LOL
 
hmm, ive been doing MAD testing with gen/queen and gen/gross and straight gengar, but havent done much in terms of gechamp

does anyone has a quick-list of gechamp that i can check out?
 
You could search it, you might be able to find a list that suits you best mewbreon. I don't know of one myself really except for the list I was thinking of trying which also failed. LOL
 
I agree with Austino/FM - Metagross is killer late game. I think straight Metal Gengar is definetly a less powerful build than some of the others. GeChamp is an incredibly difficult deck to build very well because you are very tight for deck space. I've found it's nice with either 1-0-1 Metagross or 1-1 Luxray GL Lv.X for cheap KOs late game. Straight Gengar with just SF Gengars is not as powerful as it once was, but now we have a new build of Gengar with the Level X to control the field and a teched AA "Curse" Gengar to 1HKO Pixies without Crobats. It's shaping up to be a great deck. Duskgar could see a popularity boost with Ectoplasm and Gengar Lv.X's attack working in sync for massive spread. Mother Gengar is still incredibly viable with 1-0-1 Metagross and a Gengar Lv.X to deal with Dialga G Lv. X. That's just my general overview.
 
why not run mother with metal - i mean running both of them as a 1-1 line
- i did that at battle roads and won it, but i played mother and dusknoir
 
idahodarkhorsejustbelieve said:
lol
imo here the best gengar deck in the format
mother gengar all of it atter need 1 engery to attack to do decent attacks and have awesome pokepower or awesome pokebodys
metal gengar(bc this deck can get set up very fast and k o pokemon very fast making all this basic pokemon feel like those carpy 30 hp pokemon im not going to name any names:)
gemachamp bc u need more then 1 threat in a deck. but this deck is cheap. lol
staight gengar is sort of a joke.
ok u play that against me all i have to do is shut down ur gengars and if u flop on ur flips which will happend ur done u need more then one threat in a deck.
straight gengar not good enough anymore.
and honestly br since they dont mean anything who honeslty play thier best deck at fall brs.
dont say to me that straight the best untell u played the rest.
and if no one in ur area doesnt think gengar is a good deck then make them play for it at citys. :thumb:
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Ok so firstly you say 'Nidoqueen' because it does decent attacks for one energy. Machamp does the same but has an effect :lol:

Then you say Metal Gengar because it can KO basics quick...:lol:

Gechamp is not Cheap. Does it play rubbish like Handy 910's and Drawer's? No. It's purely for SP. You play 2 Machop so you don't really aim for the 'Donk' now do you? How is straight Gengar a joke? It doesn't have techs of course but then it sets up faster.

I know you need more than one threat in a deck. Thats why I play Machamp. Epic fail :lol:

Of course Gengar/Queen beats Gechamp. But there more than two decks ya know :lol:

How is straight Gengar not good any more?

I have no idea what 'and honestly br since they dont mean anything who honeslty play thier best deck at fall brs.' Means.

I didn't say staright was the best. I said Mother Gengar was better. But overall I think Gechamp is the best. I have tested every Gengar deck :lol: And for the record I have got 2nd at a states with Gengar and 2nd at Nats. I think I know how to play Gengar by now. How well have you done with Gengar...?

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Box of Fail said:
Gechamp is a joke. All cheap wins, not an ounce of fair play. Take Out. Fainting Spell. IMO Fainting Spell should've never been made, it's a cheap power involving no skill that I've seen several Gengar players rely on completely. It's pitiful. Anyway, any game that Gechamp plays lasts for a very short time, or loses. All donks and heads and luck and SP matchups There isn't any skill in it whatsoever.
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If there is 'no skill' in Gechamp how come it WON Japan Nationals. Relicanth makes it broken. And how is it cheap? A 2-1-2-1 Machamp line with 3 fighting isn't exactly going to donk some one, is it? It happens like every 4-5 games. If that. Oh believe me my friend Gengar is a very skillful deck to play. Chuck Machamp in and you have ALOT of options. Well if it's a 'Luck sack deck' how come in '7 games now' I havn't donked and have hit 6/13 flips on Fainting Spell? And thats playing Luxray/Garchomp, Blaziken deck, Torterror Sceptile, Gengar/Queen and Kingdra. ALOT of different decks there. And I'm 6-1 only losing to Kingdra.
 
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DEOXEYS cool form 7777777 said:
If there is 'no skill' in Gechamp how come it WON Japan Nationals. Relicanth makes it broken. And how is it cheap? A 2-1-2-1 Machamp line with 3 fighting isn't exactly going to donk some one, is it? It happens like every 4-5 games. If that. Oh believe me my friend Gengar is a very skillful deck to play. Chuck Machamp in and you have ALOT of options. Well if it's a 'Luck sack deck' how come in '7 games now' I havn't donked and have hit 6/13 flips on Fainting Spell? And thats playing Luxray/Garchomp, Blaziken deck, Torterror Sceptile, Gengar/Queen and Kingdra. ALOT of different decks there. And I'm 6-1 only losing to Kingdra.
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very true friend.
does your gechamp run SSU?? just curious
 
A deck that relies on quick setup, has a good chance of donking and relies on fainting spell and hurricane punch.
No luck at all :lol:
 
Mewbreon

No it doesn't. Sounds like a cool idea though.

Yoshi-

Gechamp is 'Helped' by all of those but thats not how the deck focuses, to win. I'll say this once more you play a 2-1-2-1 Machamp line. My list plays 3 fight energy. You barely donk. Don't all decks rely on 'Some' speed anyways. A deck without speed is just bad. You 'Don't' rely on Fainting Spell lol If you do you must be playing a pretty bad player/list. Lets be honest Gechamp was built for SP mainly. But now I think it has the ability to get better. JMO. And the main focus of Gechamp is to make them waste thier 1-2 Unown G's when they need 3-4 to stop all the effects in the deck. So you shouldn't be playing it for speed as instead you slow them down which is just as good. And with Relicanth if they get all thier Unown G's in the right places... 60-90 to anything? Yes please.
 
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