Wizards files lawsuit against Pokemon USA/TPC/Nintendo
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I'm still waiting for all the "communication problems" between TPC and Wizards to be exposed... such as WHY exactly the 15+ was excluded in the first place. As I thought back then and I continue to think, TPC wasn't involved, but rather, Wizards wanted us to go to Magic.
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SailorClef
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::cough:: erm.. am i the only one who thinks that's kind of a big deal?
MetaGrossEX
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I think as this time as fans we need to show nintendo our support for the game .So Nintendo knows that they have fans out there to fight this law suit for us the people who made pokemon what it is today.
Not necessarly. It could just be that they felt they were treated wrongly toward the end of the lisence and want retribution for it. Though I feel you're probably right...
Not really. It seems like a fair deal to me ("We'll let you make some cash off of releasing this set if you'll help us make some cash off your database of existing customers")....
Mystery Thing
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FROM A BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW:
what do they want? they probably want it dead. it is now a rival TCG which they do not control, and therefore is money going into a TCG which they do not get. if pokemon dies, those that want to stick with a TCG would probably turn to either magic, neopets, or star wars, depending on the age of the player. that is profits of players going from non-wotc to wotc.
im not saying that i mean they're doing this maliciously (money turns the world and all that), but from a money point of view, they either want a) control of the game again, or b) its death.
*shrugs*
my 2 cents (one canadian and one australian, just because.)
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The Fish King
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I never expected to hear about blackmail coming from PUI, but, then again, I'm not too surprized either. It's been done by many companies before. This one is no different.
ShadowCard
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they probably do want it dead. With the Pokemon appreciation package, i also got Star wars and MLB cards. I'm not going to play those games, i'm going to give them away when my school does the charity drive thing (so they're still going to a good cause). Even if you go to yugioh, you don't escape WOTC because apparently upperdeck pays WOTC for some of the mechanics of yugioh. If pokemon dies, i leave the TCG scene. if WOTC kills pokemon, i won't buy another TCG, especially if WOTC makes it.
neopets replace pokemon? they must be in trouble if they came to that idea.
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Mystery Thing
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here's a slightly more disturbing thought (for some):
say wotc wins, and the pokemon tcg is killed.
with the speed that nintendo is producing video games these days....
would the death of the Pokemon TCG result in the death of Pokemon itself?
say wotc wins, and the pokemon tcg is killed.
with the speed that nintendo is producing video games these days....
would the death of the Pokemon TCG result in the death of Pokemon itself?
Orange Soda
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Mystery Thing said:
Doubt it. Non-TCG sales might be hampered somewhat, but Pokemon's popularity does not rely solely on the card game. There are millions of people out there who enjoy the Game Boy games but don't bother with the TCG, I'd think.
Mystery Thing
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i meant it as a possible thought for disussion at a later point, thats all. i mean, i havent touched ruby other than for the R/S challenge in a long time, and for all i know i could be among a large group of people that see its likewise.
agreed though, there are most likely a large group of people that do just the video game part of it.
steering this back on topic now, how much of an effort do you all thing PUI will put into this to win? and is how the cards are physically constructed wotc's biggest beef with what pui did? (other than take away a relatively profitable game, i mean).
agreed though, there are most likely a large group of people that do just the video game part of it.
steering this back on topic now, how much of an effort do you all thing PUI will put into this to win? and is how the cards are physically constructed wotc's biggest beef with what pui did? (other than take away a relatively profitable game, i mean).
[IMHO mode, I could and probably AM wrong.]
For the LCII thing:
PUI already decided WotC wouldn't produce cards anymore.
PUI wanted WotC's DCI player database, probably to start with an already-estabilished player ladder.
WotC asked WotC's Lawyers who told WotC they'd be getting into a law nightmare if they were doing so, especially with European-area players (who have all these nice little laws forbidding companies from giving out people's personal data without written consent).
Maybe PUI also asked for other internal information (production? Jamboree? League plans? who knows?) which was on WotC's Big No-No List. So WotC said no.
WotC has been planning the lawsuit for some time, probably since the big WotC -> PUI hiring of directors.
This, along with WotC's rumored losses, is probably the reason why least-selling TCGs like Harry Potter or Star Wars were canceled or delayed after the loss of Pokémon. (I'm told Star Wars is still alive.)
I can't thing of anything else right now. Remember, though, that since I don't know anything more than the two articles at the top of this thread, I'm probably wrong.
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For the LCII thing:
PUI already decided WotC wouldn't produce cards anymore.
PUI wanted WotC's DCI player database, probably to start with an already-estabilished player ladder.
WotC asked WotC's Lawyers who told WotC they'd be getting into a law nightmare if they were doing so, especially with European-area players (who have all these nice little laws forbidding companies from giving out people's personal data without written consent).
Maybe PUI also asked for other internal information (production? Jamboree? League plans? who knows?) which was on WotC's Big No-No List. So WotC said no.
WotC has been planning the lawsuit for some time, probably since the big WotC -> PUI hiring of directors.
This, along with WotC's rumored losses, is probably the reason why least-selling TCGs like Harry Potter or Star Wars were canceled or delayed after the loss of Pokémon. (I'm told Star Wars is still alive.)
I can't thing of anything else right now. Remember, though, that since I don't know anything more than the two articles at the top of this thread, I'm probably wrong.
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Nick15
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I doubt if Wizards "wins" this lawsuit it'll spell the end of the Pokémon TCG. As far as I'm aware, Wizards is only seeking financial damages they claim Nintendo did by breaching their contract. Nintendo however has deep pockets... regardless of how much Nintendo may lose in this, they'll keep the game alive.
Very Interesting...
Whoever doesn't see either Nintendo or Wizards as a company, first and foremost, really doesn't have a clue about economics. MTM, DMTM, etc., aside, the bottom line is finances. One of my favorite games, NFL Showdown, is likely never to be produced again because of this stark reality. And if something is a cash cow, you know there will be at least a little fight. If the product is lucrative enough, like Pokemon, it will create residual effects of good customer support, OP, and whatnot as well. When the cash flow tapers off, so does the non-monetary investment. Haven't we seen that with Pokemon? Why the shock then?
Second, logically speaking, I see two possibilities with a Wizards win. (1) The games gets a facelift. I don't know what "insider secrets" were revealed...and I'm not sure it's that significant. But if it were, we'd probably see further revision in the way the cards look or something to that effect. (2) Wizards will get monetary compensation and let it go at that. The TCG would continue as normal, with the possible ramification of increased prices somewhere along the lines. That the game may die isn't likely, as it is still popular.
These comment just imho.
Whoever doesn't see either Nintendo or Wizards as a company, first and foremost, really doesn't have a clue about economics. MTM, DMTM, etc., aside, the bottom line is finances. One of my favorite games, NFL Showdown, is likely never to be produced again because of this stark reality. And if something is a cash cow, you know there will be at least a little fight. If the product is lucrative enough, like Pokemon, it will create residual effects of good customer support, OP, and whatnot as well. When the cash flow tapers off, so does the non-monetary investment. Haven't we seen that with Pokemon? Why the shock then?
Second, logically speaking, I see two possibilities with a Wizards win. (1) The games gets a facelift. I don't know what "insider secrets" were revealed...and I'm not sure it's that significant. But if it were, we'd probably see further revision in the way the cards look or something to that effect. (2) Wizards will get monetary compensation and let it go at that. The TCG would continue as normal, with the possible ramification of increased prices somewhere along the lines. That the game may die isn't likely, as it is still popular.
These comment just imho.
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Marcello-Milord
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Hmmm
Maybe the Jamboree thing is involved as much as the other things...
I never saw Jamboree cards, but our Wizards'OP manager saw them, and told to me that there were a lot of new mechanics and that there were more "competitive-game" based.
Now, remember the never-seen Sandstorm cards?
Obiouvsly, the new Pokémon cards are not from Jamboree, but if they used the jamboree mechanics? It's always "intellectual property" of Wizards, they writed down them, and these cards were ready to print (except for ilustration, which probably were created in japan... and so the eeveelutions on Sandstorm!).
Then I highly doubt that a LCII release, after this little "Poké-war", may be on the way, if it ever should have been on the way...
Maybe the Jamboree thing is involved as much as the other things...
I never saw Jamboree cards, but our Wizards'OP manager saw them, and told to me that there were a lot of new mechanics and that there were more "competitive-game" based.
Now, remember the never-seen Sandstorm cards?
Obiouvsly, the new Pokémon cards are not from Jamboree, but if they used the jamboree mechanics? It's always "intellectual property" of Wizards, they writed down them, and these cards were ready to print (except for ilustration, which probably were created in japan... and so the eeveelutions on Sandstorm!).
Then I highly doubt that a LCII release, after this little "Poké-war", may be on the way, if it ever should have been on the way...
Nintendo Japan/Nintendo USA/WotC USA/WotC offices/TPC/PUI/Hasbro/European distributors/... that's not a TCG anymore, it's the NYSE !
It's maybe interesting to know what happened, but it is far above our heads anyway.
Big business, big money, corporate influences, ... but what about the game ???
I don't want to give any comment or expectations about that situation because ... I have no information. Any comment would be just rumours.
The main question is : Will it affect the game and the community, and if it does, how ?
It's maybe interesting to know what happened, but it is far above our heads anyway.
Big business, big money, corporate influences, ... but what about the game ???
I don't want to give any comment or expectations about that situation because ... I have no information. Any comment would be just rumours.
The main question is : Will it affect the game and the community, and if it does, how ?
ukpokemonpro
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It's not a big deal really .. here's my take on the whole thing really..
WotC take on this monster craze pokemon in the form of the TCG .. right from day 1 they see it (at least some) as a threat to MtG .. takes players and introduces them to a non-wotc owned brand .. mm
WotC fight internally over Pokemon .. Hasbro take over just as sales slump .. support wains and international is virtually wiped out.
Some get to hear about the long term future for the game and point out some of the WotC strategy and what maybe the consequences they are hounded on the old gym and are still berated as being wrong by some here .. Guess it's like Iraq ... no weapons but we were still right guys and gals
Anyhow TPC wake up smell the coffee and want WotC gone, WotC want the brand control but at greatly reduced costs ... their support wains and they rush their last sets out
PUSA has already started moving on WotC employees and TPC eventually strips license from WotC and gives it to PUSA ...
TPC/Nintendo say no to last 2 sets from WotC after failed negotiations and WotC gets ****** after PUSA release Ruby and Sapphire within week of skyridge.
WotC sues PUSA and that causes comment and possible bad feeling against Nintendo/PUSA .. whole lot gets settled out of court and we are the only ones that lose.
Kinda puts the PUSA didn't have long to plan OP to shame though when they were planning this through 2002
Certainly in the end it's just business doing business not nice but that is the American way guys and gals ... gotta admire WotC/Hasbro for fighting their corner and PUSA for having brass ones in nicking the staff.
WotC take on this monster craze pokemon in the form of the TCG .. right from day 1 they see it (at least some) as a threat to MtG .. takes players and introduces them to a non-wotc owned brand .. mm
WotC fight internally over Pokemon .. Hasbro take over just as sales slump .. support wains and international is virtually wiped out.
Some get to hear about the long term future for the game and point out some of the WotC strategy and what maybe the consequences they are hounded on the old gym and are still berated as being wrong by some here .. Guess it's like Iraq ... no weapons but we were still right guys and gals
Anyhow TPC wake up smell the coffee and want WotC gone, WotC want the brand control but at greatly reduced costs ... their support wains and they rush their last sets out
PUSA has already started moving on WotC employees and TPC eventually strips license from WotC and gives it to PUSA ...
TPC/Nintendo say no to last 2 sets from WotC after failed negotiations and WotC gets ****** after PUSA release Ruby and Sapphire within week of skyridge.
WotC sues PUSA and that causes comment and possible bad feeling against Nintendo/PUSA .. whole lot gets settled out of court and we are the only ones that lose.
Kinda puts the PUSA didn't have long to plan OP to shame though when they were planning this through 2002
Certainly in the end it's just business doing business not nice but that is the American way guys and gals ... gotta admire WotC/Hasbro for fighting their corner and PUSA for having brass ones in nicking the staff.
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