Wizards files lawsuit against Pokemon USA/TPC/Nintendo
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NOW IT MAKES SENSE!!!
Nintendo didnt pay royalties to Wizards for using game mechanics that similar to MTG. Time for a little compare and contrast...
1. Drawing cards: Both games have you draw 7 cards at the beginning.
2. Placing cards in play: At the beginning of the game, you are required to put your mana cards in the field (MTG) or your basic Pokemon on the field if you have any (Pokemon)
Thats all i know about game mechanics that are similar. Got any others that you can share, Nick15?
Oh, and about this card game names (like CCG or TCG), my alter-ego thought of something. Take it away...
Zero: Thank you. Anyways, I suggest that Pokemon-e should be called Pokemon ERCG- Pokemon E-Reader Card Game. Instead of calling it Pokemon-e, I think my alternative would be a lot better to prevent any more lawsuits.
Nintendo didnt pay royalties to Wizards for using game mechanics that similar to MTG. Time for a little compare and contrast...
1. Drawing cards: Both games have you draw 7 cards at the beginning.
2. Placing cards in play: At the beginning of the game, you are required to put your mana cards in the field (MTG) or your basic Pokemon on the field if you have any (Pokemon)
Thats all i know about game mechanics that are similar. Got any others that you can share, Nick15?
Oh, and about this card game names (like CCG or TCG), my alter-ego thought of something. Take it away...
Zero: Thank you. Anyways, I suggest that Pokemon-e should be called Pokemon ERCG- Pokemon E-Reader Card Game. Instead of calling it Pokemon-e, I think my alternative would be a lot better to prevent any more lawsuits.
GreatFox,
I don't think that we wanted the same as we had, but we wanted at least as much, even if it was different.
If we now have quite exactly the same (no Mods, I haven't said 'in the USA, not in Europe'
), I think it's probably because what Wizards had proposed was the best thing to offer.
Some things are 'corrected', like the 15+, more main events, ... but what would have been our reaction if Nintendo/PUI had decided to change everything ?
Am I wrong, or does Pokemon come from Japan ? Has TPC copied WotC too ?
Who gave the rulings, sets, ... ?
Am I wrong or does a member of PUI come from Decipher ? Will Decipher attack Nintendo/PUI too ?
MtG is the first TCG, and I don't see how other card games couldn't use one or more of MtG aspects. The basic idea of playing with cards could be called 'a copy of MtG'.
Does that mean that Magic has to be the only TCG on the market ?
We'll probably never know exactly what happened, and what happens. It's corporate business, and we'll only have a small part of the information.
Once again, the most important, IMO, is to know if it will affect the game and the players.
I don't think that we wanted the same as we had, but we wanted at least as much, even if it was different.
If we now have quite exactly the same (no Mods, I haven't said 'in the USA, not in Europe'
), I think it's probably because what Wizards had proposed was the best thing to offer.Some things are 'corrected', like the 15+, more main events, ... but what would have been our reaction if Nintendo/PUI had decided to change everything ?
Am I wrong, or does Pokemon come from Japan ? Has TPC copied WotC too ?
Who gave the rulings, sets, ... ?
Am I wrong or does a member of PUI come from Decipher ? Will Decipher attack Nintendo/PUI too ?
MtG is the first TCG, and I don't see how other card games couldn't use one or more of MtG aspects. The basic idea of playing with cards could be called 'a copy of MtG'.
Does that mean that Magic has to be the only TCG on the market ?
We'll probably never know exactly what happened, and what happens. It's corporate business, and we'll only have a small part of the information.
Once again, the most important, IMO, is to know if it will affect the game and the players.
Even if WotC is dreaming, they may try to say that any TCG is an infringement on MTG.
After all, DC and Marvel jointly trademarked the term Superhero, if you can imagine that. No one has the deep pockets to let them take them to court over it, so other companies talk about their Meta Humans, etc.
After all, DC and Marvel jointly trademarked the term Superhero, if you can imagine that. No one has the deep pockets to let them take them to court over it, so other companies talk about their Meta Humans, etc.
Here's a little retrospective for reference:
How WotC got Pokemon:
http://members.aol.com/yoshi1001/mikeint.mp3(605k)
How Jimmer got involved with PUI:
http://members.aol.com/yoshi1001/jimmerint.mp3(370k)
Enjoy (by the way, while you are free to quote from these, do be sure to cite your source. Do not use them in audio form without my permission).
Sorry, got used to high-speed.
How WotC got Pokemon:
http://members.aol.com/yoshi1001/mikeint.mp3(605k)
How Jimmer got involved with PUI:
http://members.aol.com/yoshi1001/jimmerint.mp3(370k)
Enjoy (by the way, while you are free to quote from these, do be sure to cite your source. Do not use them in audio form without my permission).
Sorry, got used to high-speed.
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Golden Suikun
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Yeah, either I'm wrong, but wasn't the Pokémon TCG an import from Japan to begin with? If I remember correctly the original Japanese Pokémon TCG was released in late 1996. I also know that all of the Japanese cards (or at least the pre-VS ones; hadn't checked since then) are produced in Japan by a corporation named Media Factory. Plus, it is interesting that one brought up rules that Pokémon share with Magic (see a few posts above). So, Nintendo has made Pokémon cards years before it dealt with Wizards. However, when the card game was introduced outside of Japan, Nintendo needed a middle person to produce the cards, so they hired Wizards. Now, Nintendo finally got worldwide control of the card game.
However, there has been some bad relations between TPC-Nintendo and Wizards. Everyone remembers what happened with Jamboree and Legendary Collection II, but remember Crosstrainer? (Jamboree-like expansion slated for the summer of 2001 containing Vending and Wizards-made cards) Crosstrainer was foiled, along with all following attempts of bringing Vending set cards (except for a few released as promos) as well as Wizards-made cards. Notice something? Plus, notice how the Pokémon francise kind of revived after the whole switchover? Maybe Wizards is still angry over what happened to Jamboree/Legendary Collection II and wants to get in on the reviving of the Pokémon card game. There are other factors, such as the use of "Trading Card Game," Wizards-made technology (although IMO the EX card design seems to be the closest to the Japanese ADV design than all of the other sets), etc.
All in all, I hope this doesn't have a negative effect on the players. Pokémon seems to be reviving everywhere and IMO times haven't been this good in years. Let's hope this lawsuit doesn't ruin it.
However, there has been some bad relations between TPC-Nintendo and Wizards. Everyone remembers what happened with Jamboree and Legendary Collection II, but remember Crosstrainer? (Jamboree-like expansion slated for the summer of 2001 containing Vending and Wizards-made cards) Crosstrainer was foiled, along with all following attempts of bringing Vending set cards (except for a few released as promos) as well as Wizards-made cards. Notice something? Plus, notice how the Pokémon francise kind of revived after the whole switchover? Maybe Wizards is still angry over what happened to Jamboree/Legendary Collection II and wants to get in on the reviving of the Pokémon card game. There are other factors, such as the use of "Trading Card Game," Wizards-made technology (although IMO the EX card design seems to be the closest to the Japanese ADV design than all of the other sets), etc.
All in all, I hope this doesn't have a negative effect on the players. Pokémon seems to be reviving everywhere and IMO times haven't been this good in years. Let's hope this lawsuit doesn't ruin it.
pokeprofRaymond
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Since I have just opened the thread, it is about time to ask some questions:
1. What does the Pokemon TCG have that is been fought over with like kids in a sandbox?
2. Even though wizards wins the case and since this is a settlement that involve moral damages, will this do little impact on the game itself(since I believe will not "kill" the game)?
3. Why is this issue has brought so late, when the license for the game for WotC, has expired months ago?
4. How "normal" will the OP, and distribution of the cards be normal even after this lawsuits (whoever wins anyway)?
My stand will be on Nintendo for this and as players, never get discouraged too much. All the players outside want to know is all the developments of this case "as of press time".
Thanks!!!!
1. What does the Pokemon TCG have that is been fought over with like kids in a sandbox?
2. Even though wizards wins the case and since this is a settlement that involve moral damages, will this do little impact on the game itself(since I believe will not "kill" the game)?
3. Why is this issue has brought so late, when the license for the game for WotC, has expired months ago?
4. How "normal" will the OP, and distribution of the cards be normal even after this lawsuits (whoever wins anyway)?
My stand will be on Nintendo for this and as players, never get discouraged too much. All the players outside want to know is all the developments of this case "as of press time".
Thanks!!!!
mysterioustrainer
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Can I start screaming like a Psyduck some more?
Also could someone tell me what the difference is in a CCG and TCG?
Also could someone tell me what the difference is in a CCG and TCG?
NoPoke
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NoPoke wonders what the difference between an 'exclusive patent' and an ordinary one might be.
All patents are intended to be exclusive. You lay out your exclusions in the list of claims on the patent application..
Also law suits spread FUD (thats fear uncertainty and doubt). FUD is standard practice amongst competing companies. The best time to drop a FUD bomb is when distributors/shops might be considering if they want to reinvest in pokemon. It seems highly likely that Wizards had this law suit lined up and ready to go for ages. It is equally likely that Nintendo have anticipated this and have had their response ready for some time too.
All patents are intended to be exclusive. You lay out your exclusions in the list of claims on the patent application..
Also law suits spread FUD (thats fear uncertainty and doubt). FUD is standard practice amongst competing companies. The best time to drop a FUD bomb is when distributors/shops might be considering if they want to reinvest in pokemon. It seems highly likely that Wizards had this law suit lined up and ready to go for ages. It is equally likely that Nintendo have anticipated this and have had their response ready for some time too.
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)v(ajin_ipg21
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*In shock*
I wonder if ANYTHING should ever surprise me...
I wonder if ANYTHING should ever surprise me...
Duskull master
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Financially speaking, this lawsuit will bring us..............
Less Holo per box
Cost more per packet
Am I wrong?
Less Holo per box
Cost more per packet
Am I wrong?
KingOfDemons
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Or for the same thing. UD recently hired a guy who used to run the DCI. The main purpose of the hire was to improve their tournament ranking programs for YGO: "Duelist King Tournaments".
IF Wizards do win it, man heck to pay for all the TCGs.
IF Wizards do win it, man heck to pay for all the TCGs.
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PokePop said:
Which I think is bad on WOTC part to put a lawsuit into play the day after their contract expried, which makes you wonder how long they have been holding off on this one. I know my local Game Keeper store which is a WOTC store had the hardest time getting R&S in because they were told that PUI didnt want to ship it to them, or at least that is what their area manager said.
Here's an interesting quote I found on the Pokeschool chat logs for March 13, 2003:
"aster_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #415 from neo_fox:
Hey... you never know, One year from now, TPC might crwal back to you guys again!
darkmt_mike laughs hysterically.
master_trainer_mike says, "Uhhhhhh......doubtful.""
Take that for what you will.
"aster_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #415 from neo_fox:
Hey... you never know, One year from now, TPC might crwal back to you guys again!
darkmt_mike laughs hysterically.
master_trainer_mike says, "Uhhhhhh......doubtful.""
Take that for what you will.
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Yes you are insinuating something. Saying you're not doesn't make it so.yoshi1001 said:
Number one: What the heck would be the point of us hiding that?
Number two: Who the hell do you think we are that we have some insidious inside track on legal matters like this?
[deleted much stronger words....]
[CHRISBO EDIT - For the record, question #415 *IS* in the Compendium logs; it just got tacked onto the end of #414 due to a parsing error. See http://pkcompendium.hypermart.net/logs/Chat_2003_03_13.txt for proof. Yoshi1001, I don't mind you quoting anyone's logs, but next time make sure you have your facts straight before poking fingers at ours.
, :nonono: ]
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