Author Topic: The Surprise Guest Deck!! (MHZ, what do you think now??) Mistress_Charizard Member Member # 69167 posted May 04, 2002 06:03 PM             Hey MHZ! Is this deck any better? I ACTUALLY thought of taking cards from my other decks and stickin' em in this one!! 25 Pokemon -3 Misty's Horsea (Lv. 10) - Misty's Horsea (Lv. 16) -3 Misty's Seadra (Lv. 30) -Kingdra (Genesis) -Magikarp (Lv. 8) -Dark Gyarados -Sentret (Discovery) -Furret (Genesis) -Mewtwo (Promo, Lv. 60) -Tyrogue (Discovery) -Surfing Pikachu -Cleffa (w/ Eeeeeeek) -Cleffa (w/ Eek) -2 Eevee (Rocket) -Espeon (Disc. Lv. 45) -Espeon (Disc. Lv. 38) -Umbreon (Discovery) -2 Natu (Discovery) -Xatu (Discovery) 11 Trainers -2 Bill -Prof. Elm -Cerulean City Gym -Erika -Rocket's Minefield Gym -Erika's Perfume -2 Moo-Moo Milk -The Rocket's Trap -Misty's Duel 24 Energy 15 Water 9 Psychic So, what now? I thought the Minefield Gym and Erika's Perfume worked well w/ each other, since I could see what my opponent has in their hand, and also put Pokemon on their bench w/ the chance of doing damage to them. Also, if they didn't have any Basics there, I could use The Rocket's Trap to discard and cards that I wouldn't want there! But I also need ur opinion on these things: -Do I need another Eevee? -How about Erika's Clefairy? -Should I keep Blaine's Quiz #2, Master Ball, Double Gust, and Super Rod in? (Super Rod makes up a bit for the absent NGR) Well, I named it The Surprise Guest Deck because the Surfing Pikachu and Tyrogue and Umbreon help against opposing Electrics, Waters, and Psychics. Just in case. I think it's pretty "surprising" to see those come up in a deck like this, don't you?? Mistress -------------------- "Let them think what they want. It's just you and me in this battle - right now, nothing else matters. This is what we both live for, and nothing and no one can possibly take our dreams away." - a good friend "Strong Pokemon. Weak Pokemon. That is only the selfish perception of people. You, I like your style; you realize what's important. ...Now go on, the Champion is waiting." - Karen of the Elite Four From: no-woman's-land, NC | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged Dark Ho-oh Member Member # 65055 posted May 04, 2002 06:38 PM            you can't evolve Misty's Seadra into a regular Kingdra. -------------------- Dark Ho-oh Founder of Team T dot. P.E.P:Proud Espeon Player NEXT TORONTO QT WINNER(hopefully.LoL) MSN:[email protected] "Beleive in the heart of the cards and they will come through for you"-Yugi Moto From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Feb 2002  |  IP: Logged Maverick Hunter Zero Member # 6223 posted May 04, 2002 07:56 PM             Well, to be honest, that deck isn't all that much better that your last one. I was kind of hoping that I made it clear last time, that multiple lines, singles, and very few trainers are a bad idea. This deck, besides breaking few of the rules of evolution, is inconsistant, slow, and has no strategy. Sadly, it can be compared to your last deck. I'll see if I can't show you again what I mean... Singles - ok, again, you're running far to many. To many singles = inconsistancy, and are a very bad thing. Now don't get me wrong, one or two singles are great for tech. But as many singles as you have, you'll never be able to get going fast enough. Pokemon - As said above, you're focusing on to many singles. You're going to want one main heavy hitting family, a bit of settup (You're off to a good start with the Cleffa) and some support. Now, the deck I posted last time basically fit your needs quite nicely. So simply use the Pokemon from that. And as for evoling Misty's Seadra into Kingdra... you can't. Why? Well, you'll notice Kingdra states that it evolves from "Seadra", not "Misty's Seadra". (Same reason a regular horsea can't evolve into Misty's Seadra. It states that Misty's Seadra evolves from "Misty's Horsea") Trainers - Again, to many singles, and far to unfocused. Remember, you want a great deal of card drawing. Speed is always what wins. You have 5 card drawing and search engine trainers total. This won't hold a candle to the 4 CPU, 4 Item Finder, 3 Oak, 3 Elm etc drawing you usually see in tournaments. And one Rocket's Trap? You have a 50/50 chance of using a trainer once, as you have no way to reuse it. Again, you want multiple copies for something to be really effective in your strategy. Energy - Again, to much energy. You can row fairly low amounts when you have heavy card drawing. You honestly don't need that many, since you will be cutting down on your Pokemon. Now, what say I try out a new deck for ya? Pokemon: 15 4 Promo Eevee 4 Espeon (Holo) 2 Cleffa 3 Gligar 2 Mewtwo (Movie Promo) Trainers: 30 3 Computer Search 4 Item Finder 3 Proffesor Oak 3 Proffesor Elm 2 Focus Band 3 Gold Berry 3 Nightly Garbage Run 3 Energy Removal 3 Super Energy Removal 3 Broken Ground Gym Energy: 15 12 Psychic Energy 3 Double Colorles Energy Again, this could be made better over time with more testing, but it's far more consistant then what you have now. This should do nicely. You have 2 Backup Pokemon (Mewtwo and Gligar) a main attacking family, and settup. Nice card drawing, defense and disruption, etc. Good luck with future decks. [ May 04, 2002, 08:00 PM: Message edited by: Maverick Hunter Zero ] -------------------- http://www.mhzs-lair.com AIM: MasterHunterZero [email protected] http://mhz.deviantart.com It's not cowardly to run. It's futile. kachu Pika piii Kaa pi pikachu? From: The strange, frightening world known as "SoCali" | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged PlayaHatinHommie420 Member Member # 81056 posted May 04, 2002 08:06 PM             u made 2 many mistakes with the deck i dont even knwo where to start to help u out *pardon me, but WHY reply then?* [ May 04, 2002, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: IPGeek21 ] -------------------- Aim me for a game on apprentice my sn is JaRuleFan187 3rd place at cleveland 2001 top 8 at pittsburg and columbus 2001 current dci ranking is 10th in ohio with a 1921 rating Skate or Die!!! Zero Skateboards rock!!! A Smart Monkey Never Monkey's With Another Monkey's Monkey.. From: only stalkers ask these questions | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Mistress_Charizard Member Member # 69167 posted May 06, 2002 12:41 PM             Well, thanks for all your help, PlayaHatinwhateveritwas. I love u too. ur right--why reply at all? Ok, MHZ, here we go again: No. 1: Once again, I fergot about the evolution thing. That's a common problem in my family. No. 2:I tested my deck out SEVERAL times against other decks. Probly 12 trial battles. I had too few energy and too many Trainers. A coincedence? I think not. No. 3: Good gravy, man, what's with 30 trainers??????!!?????? I'll have the same problem I experienced w/ the current deck!! Yes, I realize they're all good cards to have around but--30 OF 'EM???? ***sigh*** dern it. Awright...I know u give good advice and all that; I'll see what I can do. But, I suppose we're not hinking on the same level--as far as experience w/ this deck in battle goes. I'll be busy for a while, I guess. Thanx. -------------------- "Let them think what they want. It's just you and me in this battle - right now, nothing else matters. This is what we both live for, and nothing and no one can possibly take our dreams away." - a good friend "Strong Pokemon. Weak Pokemon. That is only the selfish perception of people. You, I like your style; you realize what's important. ...Now go on, the Champion is waiting." - Karen of the Elite Four From: no-woman's-land, NC | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged Maverick Hunter Zero Member # 6223 posted May 06, 2002 03:51 PM             If you're having that sort of problem, then you're appearently not playing it right. perhaps saying such a thing is harsh, but it's true. The last deck I won a tournament with had 38 trainers and 9 energy. (Although that was a 'fable deck) It's a proven fact that trainers are what win the game. The point of them is simply not to sit there with them, but to get just about EVERYTHING YOU CAN running quickly and smoothly. And when you say you tested your deck, do you mean the above one? If you do, it's rather obvious. Those trainers don't fit well with your strategy. And there are to few of them. You still have far to little card drawing. (FAR to little) My last tournament deck for example, there wasn't one turn where I couldn't get a new hand or get a card I needed. You'll also notice the deck I gave you is using ONE energy type. It will NOT be hard to get what you need. I really urge you to contact me on AIM and play me an apprentice, I can show you quite well what I mean. And it's not experience with the deck that counts so much as experience overall. Yes you're going to need experience with certain decks, (Such as a lockdown when you usually use haymaker decks) but if you stay with the TCG for quite a while, and look back in say a year, I can promise you, you will shudder violently thinking about your decks now. (Thinks back to own first deck, shudders in horror) I thought the same exact thing when I first started. You will realize that you need many trainers to win. [ May 06, 2002, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Maverick Hunter Zero ] -------------------- http://www.mhzs-lair.com AIM: MasterHunterZero [email protected] http://mhz.deviantart.com It's not cowardly to run. It's futile. kachu Pika piii Kaa pi pikachu? From: The strange, frightening world known as "SoCali" | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged salvarmy3 Member Member # 28055 posted May 08, 2002 03:33 PM             -Kingdra (Genesis) -Magikarp (Lv. 8) -Dark Gyarados -Sentret (Discovery) -Furret (Genesis) -Umbreon (Discovery) -2 Natu (Discovery) -Xatu (Discovery) -Tyrogue (Discovery) -Cleffa (Promo) -2 Rocket Eevee I'd take these out. (13) Then add: +1 Cleffa They sell for 1$ each here in VA +2 Destiny Eevee to help speed +1 Eevee (Promo) this card works especially well with it's brother in destiny. For one flip evolve both. Also, If they evolve into Feraligatr, you can search your deck for a card that could help thwart it. +2 Elm +2 NGR to restock on Pokémon +1 Time Capsule (try a card store, they sell for 1 $ - 3$ near here in VA) +1 Magnifier (whatever it's called) for Espeon vs. Dark +1 Focus Band +1 Cerulean City Gym +1 Any 1 Berry (Berry, Gold Berry, Miracle Berry, Balloon Berry) Which ever one you feel necessary New Deck: Pokémon: (17) -3 Misty's Horsea (Lv. 10) - Misty's Horsea (Lv. 16) -3 Misty's Seadra (Lv. 30) -Mewtwo (Promo, Lv. 60) -Surfing Pikachu -2 Cleffa (w/ Eeeeeeek) -2 Eevee (Desiny) -1 Eevee (Promo) -Espeon (Disc. Lv. 45) -Espeon (Disc. Lv. 38) Trainers: (20) -2 Bill -3 Prof. Elm -2 Cerulean City Gym -Erika -Rocket's Minefield Gym -Erika's Perfume -2 Moo-Moo Milk -The Rocket's Trap -Misty's Duel -2 NGR -Time Capsule -Magnifier -Focus Band -Any 1 Berry -Energy (24) 15 Water 9 Psychic You may need to switch around the energy amounts and fiddle a little with the trainers, but this seems to be an over all good deck. [ May 08, 2002, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: salvarmy3 ] -------------------- Eppo Beware of the tambourines! I caught Ho-oh on my Crystal version on 12/15/02. I used my Lv. 88 Noctowl. 1x Fly 1x Hypnosis 1x Dreameater 1x Ultra Ball I am happy. :) From: Someplaceville | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged Alec Trevelyan Member Member # 33452 posted May 08, 2002 04:10 PM             hmmm wow, so many singles, poor trainers... lemme help ya (your deck is modified, so, i'll keep it modified): Pokémons:20 4 Eevee (neo discovery) 2 Espeon (holo) 2 Umbreon 3 Cleffa 3 Slowpoke 3 Slowking 1 MP Mewtwo 2 Murkrow (neo genesis) Energies:16 4 Dark 4 Rainbow 8 Psychic Trainers:24 4 Elm 4 Focus band 4 double gust 2 Nightly/time capsule 2 M. Wrath 3 The rocket's training gym 3 Rocket's Sneak Attack 2 The Rocket's Trap Hope it helps! From: Curitiba, Brazil | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged Ninetales2000 Member # 140 posted May 08, 2002 04:24 PM            So, what now? I thought the Minefield Gym and Erika's Perfume worked well w/ each other, since I could see what my opponent has in their hand, and also put Pokemon on their bench w/ the chance of doing damage to them. [Minefield Gym only works when a player puts a basic from their hand onto their own bench. By using Perfume, you negate that effect and thus do not flip for Minefield Gym. Official Ruling.] Also, if they didn't have any Basics there, I could use The Rocket's Trap to discard and cards that I wouldn't want there! [The Rocket's Trap requires three random cards, as specified in previous chat rulings. You would need to randomize the opponent's hand and choose three of them afterwards.] I agree with MHZ on most of this. Try his deck. From: Prison cell, Vilnius, Lithuania. | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Nu Gundam Member # 1779 posted May 08, 2002 07:22 PM             Pokémons: 19 4 Eevee (Promo) 2 Espeon (Holo) 2 Umbreon (Holo) 3 Cleffa (Neo Genesis) 3 Slowpoke (Neo Genesis) 3 Slowking (Neo Genesis) 2 Murkrow (Neo Genesis) Energies: 17 8 Psychic 4 Dark 3 Rainbow 2 Recycle Trainers: 24 4 Professor Elm 4 Focus Band 4 Double Gust 3 Time Capsule 3 Balloon Berry (I mean, if Slowking is Active...oh dear) 2 M. Wrath 2 Sprout Tower 2 Energy Charge The setup is pretty obvious... EDIT: Yes, I was seeing things... *Smacks forehead* [ May 09, 2002, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Nu Gundam ] -------------------- This space is for rent... From: Anime Hell and Heaven aka Toronto, Canada | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Dark Ho-oh Member Member # 65055 posted May 08, 2002 07:41 PM            Unless your seeing things, in Alec's deck list, there's no Rocket's Hideout. -------------------- Dark Ho-oh Founder of Team T dot. P.E.P:Proud Espeon Player NEXT TORONTO QT WINNER(hopefully.LoL) MSN:[email protected] "Beleive in the heart of the cards and they will come through for you"-Yugi Moto From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Feb 2002  |  IP: Logged

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