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Omega Ant
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posted July 01, 2003 09:30 AM      Profile for Omega Ant      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Help !
I'm in the middle of a game .
I have neo discovery magnemite :

I used magnemite's lock on on the defending and my opponent used the defending's confuse ray to confuse magnemite (and succeded ) . I've added other situations as well to cover this up

Q1 : If magnemite is confused in the last turn , its lock on attack was used , am I to attack its electric bolt and count flipping a coin for the confusion as heads (according to the rules effects are applied before checking for confusion)

Q2 : If magnemite ued its 1st attack and was smokescreened (i.e. need to flip a coin in or attck does nothing )if I flip a coin to check this effect when using 2nd attack does it counts as heads ?

Q3 : If I used (succesfully) magnet's 1st attack on a baby pokemon , when I use its 2nd attack do I count coin flipping for baby rule as heads (err ... maybe the effect applies as soon as the 1st attack succeeds ? ) ? and what about haunter's (fossil) transparency ?

Please help , thank you .

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posted July 01, 2003 09:57 AM      Profile for WizPog_BJJ   Email WizPog_BJJ    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
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{C} Lock-on During your next turn, treat any tails flipped when using Magnemite’s Electric Bolt attack on the Defending Pokémon as if they were heads. (Benching or evolving either Pokémon ends this effect.)
{L}{C} Electric Bolt Flip 2 coins. If both are heads, the Defending Pokémon is now Paralyzed. If either of them is tails, this attack does nothing (not even damage). 50

Lock-on only lets you treat any tails as heads for Electric Bolts' 2 coin flips, no other coin flips.

Q1: A Confused Pokémon must flip a coin whenever it tries to attack or Retreat. A heads means successful, attack/retreat, a tails means 20 damage/can't retreat. I think you're confusing the order of attack with how to calculate damage.

Q2: A Smokescreened Magnemite still have to flip to see if it can successfully attack. Heads means it can attack as normal and tails means the attack fails.

Q3: You must still flip for the Baby Rule (and tails means your attack fails). For Transparency Haunter, your opponent still gets to flip to see if Haunter gets any effect of the attack. Lock-on has no bearing on this.

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posted July 01, 2003 10:06 AM      Profile for Omega Ant      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Check the advanced rulebook (V.8) page 19 .
Here's a quote :
IN WHAT ORDER DO YOU DO YOUR ATTACK ?

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e)If necessary , apply any effects that might alter or cancel the attack . ...

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f) If your active pokemon is confused , check now to see if the attack fails.

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As you can see , effects are applied before the confusion and so , even though you flip a coin for confusion it will count as heads because of the lock on effect .

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posted July 01, 2003 10:17 AM      Profile for WizPog_BJJ   Email WizPog_BJJ    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
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{C} Lock-on During your next turn, treat any tails flipped when using Magnemite’s Electric Bolt attack on the Defending Pokémon as if they were heads. (Benching or evolving either Pokémon ends this effect.)
When you flip for Confusion, what are you flipping for? Confusion. You are not flipping for Electric Bolt's effect of flipping 2 coins.

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E) If necessary, apply any effect that might alter or cancel the attack. (For example, if your Pokémon was hit last turn by Lv. 35 Quilava's Smokescreen attack, and you want to attack with that Pokémon during your next turn, you should fip a coin. If tails, your Pokémon's attack does nothing.)
Advanced Rulebook Ver. 9.

Step E has nothing to do with Lock-on. Lock-on's effect is only for the 2 flips you must do when using Electric Bolt, not checking to see if you can use it.

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posted July 01, 2003 10:21 AM      Profile for Omega Ant      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
First , isn't the coin flipping for confusion part of the attack ?
Second , if coin flipping to see if the attack does something doesn't count why did they put quilava's smoke screen as an example ?

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posted July 01, 2003 10:37 AM      Profile for WizPog_BJJ   Email WizPog_BJJ    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Flipping for Confusion is NOT part of the attack called "Electric Bolt". Flipping for Confusion, and even the Baby Rule are steps in your attack "phase". Above the "In WHat Order Do You Do Your Attack?" is "WHat Counts as an Attack?"

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Anything written on a Basice Pokémon or Evolution card under the picture where attacks are (except for Pokémon Power) is considered an attack. And an attack is always considered t obe against the Defending Pokémon, even if it doesn't do anything to that Pokémon. So, for example, Maril's Defense and Sunkern's Growth are attacks against the Defending Pokémon and would be prevented by an effect like Spinarak's Scary Face.
Advance Rulebook Ver. 9

So your attack is Electric Bolt. But there are extact steps to go through in order for you to use Electric Bolt:

a) Baby Rule. YOu have to get a Heads in order to attack.
b) Announce Electric Bolt. (you have enough energy and this really comes before a) but....)
c) Make any choices for Electric Bolt - there's none as you don't have a choice as to which Pokémon you will use Electric Bolt against.
d) Do the requirements for ELectric Bolt. You don't have to Discard or anything like that so no requirements.
e) Apply any effects that might alter or cancel the attack. Smokescreen or even Scary Face fall into this step. Just because you can use Electric Bolt does not mean you will be able to use Electric Bolt. You are not using Electric Bolt yet.
f) Check for Confusion. Must get Heads to Electric Bolt successfully. Still not using Electric Bolt.
g) Do whatever the attack says! Now you are using Electric Bolt! Flip 2 coins and if either are tails the attack fails. [Frown] But WAIT! There is an effect from your last attack that lets you treat all tails for Electric Bolt as heads!!! [Bounce] 50 damage and Paralysis.

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posted July 01, 2003 10:45 AM      Profile for Omega Ant      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Thank you for explaining it to me [Smile] . So it's an effect that applies specifically on those 2 coin flipping (because they are the only ones that get flipped when actually using the attack ) .

Just want to figure it out : are there any situations in which lock-on's effects would apply on other coin flipping as well ?

oh well , I better go and flip that coin ...

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posted July 01, 2003 12:05 PM      Profile for NoPoke   Email NoPoke    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
quote:
Originally posted by Omega Ant:

Just want to figure it out : are there any situations in which lock-on's effects would apply on other coin flipping as well ?


Omega Ant, I think you already know what the answer will be. but just in case here's a hint..starts with N ends with O and has two letters. but you knew that from the other answers previously given didn't you? [Wink]

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