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Topic: Metal Energy, would like a second ruling
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draco18s
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posted December 05, 2002 01:25 PM
I called Wizards about this, but I won't say what the answer was, yet.
I have a Charizard (LC or Base) and it has two Metal Energy and Two Recycle Energy. I use its pokemon power, Energy Burn (directly from the card, "...turn all Energy cards attached to Charizard into [fire] Energy for the rest of this turn..."). So then I use Fire Spin and discard the two Recycle Energy, now I'd like to know how much damage does the defending take, and if they attack me next turn, for a 50 dmg attack (normal damage, for this instance let us say that that is after weakness and resistance), how much damage does Charizard take?
So, the two q's are:
1) damage from Charizard.
2) damage to Charizard.
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yoshi1001
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posted December 05, 2002 01:34 PM
Special energy retains properties throughout a type change.
1. 80
2. 30
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draco18s
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posted December 05, 2002 03:30 PM
OK, there have to be more people with an opinion on this...
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PokePop
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posted December 05, 2002 03:32 PM
As Yoshi says.
Special Energy cards retain their properties even if their color is changed.
Conversely, changing a cards color to Darkness or Metal won't give it Special Properties. Those reside only on the actual Special Energy card.
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draco18s
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posted December 05, 2002 03:47 PM
OK, if all are agreed, I shall tell you what Wizards of the Coast told me when I called them.
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YOUR ALL WRONG!!! HA HA HA!! Wizards told me that Charizard would do 100 damage and that it would (in the case I stated above) take 30!
*rolls around on the floor in histerical laughter*
I'd like to see where it says that Special Energy cards keep there Special Proporties, I'd realy like too you know, you know why?
*continues laughing his head off*
'Cause I've never seen it and I've read EVERY rule book. I'll have you know that I designed a deck to exploit this ruling and it is almost complete!
*signs off when he gets a horn stuck in the baseboard, but continues to laugh*
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yoshi1001
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posted December 05, 2002 04:06 PM
From the Master Rulings Document:
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• Energy Burn used on a non-basic energy card (like Rainbow, Darkness, Metal, etc.) changes what type of energy is provided (to fire) but does NOT remove any additional effects of the card (Metal still reduces damage, Darkness still adds damage, etc).
That is the official rule.
The WotC people who answer the phone are not that hot on Poke-rulings.
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draco18s
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posted December 05, 2002 04:41 PM
*get his horn unstuck from the baseboard*
OK, now I'd like a link, and about how far down I should be lookin.
And when I called in I asked specificaly for someone who knew the rules and that I wanted an oficial ruling. So there.
*besides, he thinks, it is still funny*
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Take this!
From a Rulings page, and I quote: "master_trainer_pat presents the speaker with question #6 from chrisbo:
Last week you said that if you Energy Burn a Recycle Energy it could bereturned to your hand (Q47). But in the Jan 18th Chat, you said that changing Special Energy Cards to Fire loses their special abilities. Which one is correct?
master_trainer_pat says, "The ruling is that cannot return it...the Recycle energy stays in the discard pile"
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master_trainer_pat presents the speaker with question #39 from pikabruce:
So if you Energy Burn a Metal Energy, then the attack would not be reduced by 10, correct?
master_trainer_pat says, "Yes!""
HEH HEH HEE, HA HA HA HAAAA!!!
ROTFLMHDHO (rolling on the floor, laughing my histerical draconic head off)
I'm winning!!!
[ December 05, 2002, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: draco18s ]
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draco18s
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posted December 05, 2002 05:12 PM
OK, you have showed me where you got it. Now why is there a conflict between rulings? How do we resolve this? I still think I'm right, you still think your right (I assume). So what happens now?
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yoshi1001
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posted December 05, 2002 05:33 PM
I "win" because my documentation is more current and has higher standing than yours.
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Onix95
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posted December 05, 2002 05:42 PM
From the Compendium:
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Q. If I place a Metal Energy on Expedition Tyranitar with "Dark Aura", does it still retain its special properties (-10 damage)? I think it would retain the properties like it does when Charizard does "Fire Spin" on it.
A. Yes it does. (Nov 7, 2002 WotC Chat, Q306; Nov 14, 2002 WotC Chat, Q13)
Since this ruling has been fairly up to date, it shows that energy cards, with special properties, changed into another type keep their properties.
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draco18s
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posted December 05, 2002 05:53 PM
I concede. You have been able to prove me wrong. Thanks for a more up to date ruling.
Draco the Imortal Dragon, signing off.
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posted December 06, 2002 12:03 PM
draco18s, you don't have to be disappointed.
Ruling on Pokemon is keep changing. Some rule say positive this week could become negative next week.
There is no date on the Chat log draco18s refered to. So I don't know which one is the most up-to-date.
But from my memory, the rule "changing type of energy do not change the special effect" is there for a very very long time. This rule is based on that the special effect is provided by the card, not the type of energy. It is why Rainbow can provide Darkness energy but not the special 10+ damage effect.
To keep the most up-to-date rule, you have to read the following in sequence:
1. Master Rule Document and all updated.
2. Team Compendium rule collection.
3. Chat Log after the last update of the Compendium collection.
There is a lot to read, but it is the only way to keep you up-to-date.
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