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Topic: Rainbow Energy Ho-oh combo question
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aragornanduril
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posted October 08, 2002 06:45 AM
Ok the legendary bird guy Ho-oh from Neo Revelation (the Normal type not the Fire one) It has an ability called Rainbow Burn. It reads: Rainbow Burn This attack does 30 damage plus 10 more damage for each type of Basic Energy card, if any, attached to Ho-oh. 30+. Ok so if you have a rainbow energy attached to him would it do like 90 damage or something???!!!
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DOMCGI
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posted October 08, 2002 07:45 AM
First, it should be a "Basic Energy CARD". Rainbow Energy card is a special energy card, so it is not involved in the damage calculation.
Currently, there is only 6 different basic energy cards in the game (Fire, Water, Lightning, Fighting, Psyhic, Grass).
But with the help of two Porygon 2, you can convert another 2 Basic energy card to provide Darkness and Metal energy. Those two cards will be considered as Darkness and Metal "Basic" energy cards.
So on maximum, you can have 8 different Basic energy cards and the Rainbow Burn will do 110 damage.
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aragornanduril
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posted October 09, 2002 06:31 AM
Ok Ho-oh says: Rainbow Burn This attack does 30 damage plus 10 more damage for each type of Basic Energy card, if any, attached to Ho-oh. 30+
And Rainbow Energy says:
Attach Rainbow Energy to 1 of your Pokémon. While in play, Rainbow Energy counts as every type of basic Energy but only provides 1 Energy at a time. (Doesn't count as a basic Energy card when not in play.) When you attach this card from your hand to 1 of your Pokémon, it does 10 damage to that Pokémon. (Don't apply Weakness and Resistance.)
So Rainbow energy COUNTS AS 1 BASIC energy of EVERY COLOR. So are you sure it would not work?? It does not make sense.
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Timmy Two Tone
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posted October 09, 2002 07:14 AM
It is confusing, but the rainbow energy card is considered a "special energy card" It provides all types of basic energy including metal and dark, but without the special powers of a dark energy or a metal energy card.
The attack states it does 10 more damage for each "basic energy card" Since rainbow energy is a special energy card providing basic energy it does not count.
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DOMCGI
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posted October 09, 2002 07:21 AM
In the Pokemon game, “Energy” not equal to “Energy Card”.
When a card has “Special Energy Card” in the text, it is always be a special energy card, no matter what type of energy it is providing.
Also, if a card origianlly is not an energy card, but providing energy (e.g. Buzzap Electrode), it is also a Special Energy card.
If a card only has “ENERGY” as the name, it is always be basic energy card.
Whatever happening on the card, the Basic or Special identity can not be changed.
The above is how to determine if it is special energy card or basic energy card.
Furthermore, whatever the energy type a card is providing, the card will be considered as that type of (Basic/Special) cards.
So the full name of a normal Grass energy is “Basic Grass Energy Card”
If the basic grass energy card is burned by Charizard and providing fire energy, it become “Basic Fire Energy Card”, and no long as the basic grass energy card.
If a Double Colorless Energy card is burned, it become “Special Fire energy card” and providing 2 fire energies.
While a Rainbow energy card in-play, it will be a “Special Fire/Grass/Water/Lightning/Fighting/Psychic/Darkness/Metal Energy Card”
If a Basic Fire Energy card covered by Porygon 2 to provide Darness energy, the card will become “Basic Darkness Energy Card”.
Please note, all the special effect is belonged to the card, not the energy type. So even Rainbow can provide Darkness and Metal energy, since it do not has the Metal/Darkness special effect printed on the card, it do not provide those Metal/Darkness special effect.
Also, counting Energy and Energy Card are different. Energy is the number of total energy. Energy Card is the number of Cards providing energy. So a Double Colorless Energy card provide 2 energies but only count as 1 energy card. Rainbow providing only “1” energy of all basic type in the same time and count as only “1” Energy card.
In Ho-oh’s Rainbow Burn, only BASIC energy CARD is invloved in the damage calculation.
Normally, there is only 6 Basic energy cards in the game. But with the help of Porygon 2, you can have Basic Darkness and Metal energy card for a total of 8 Basic Energy Card.
I hope I do cover all the defination of energy card in the game.
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yoshi1001
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posted October 09, 2002 08:44 AM
The league promo version given out earlier this year is a bit more clear on the issue, however, it is not in the card oracle. Bottom line: It's always a special energy card.
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Shining Eevee
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posted October 23, 2002 08:29 PM
sorry for bringin up this older thread but I wanted to add something to it.
I beleive that the rainbow energy card dose add to the final damage...say u have one grass energy, one fire energy, and 2 rainbow energy...then this attack dose 70 damage
from what I read it sounds like you guys r sayin that it will not count for anything...but I got a different responce from when I emaild wizards directly about that
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Big Daddy Snorlax
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posted October 23, 2002 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Shining Eevee:
... from what I read it sounds like you guys r sayin that it will not count for anything...but I got a different responce from when I emaild wizards directly about that
I'm not sure who responded to you, but a check of the Rules Compendium, which is a collection of rulings from the Wizards Master Trainers yeilds this response:
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Q. Ho-oh's Rainbow Burn attack: "plus 10 more damage for each type of Basic Energy card, if any, attached to Ho-oh". So if you had a grass, a water, a fire, and an electric, you would do 40 more, but if you had 4 grass, you would only do an extra 10, since there is only one TYPE, right? And Rainbow Energy, Metal Energy, and Dark Energy would not count toward extra damage on Ho-oh, since they are not a type of Basic Energy CARD?
A. Correct! (Oct 11, 2001 WotC Chat, Q48 & Q50)
* Rainbow energy is NEVER considered a basic energy card. EVER! Whether in play or not. So this means that attaching a Rainbow energy to a colorless Ho-oh does NOT add to the amount of damage done! (Oct 18, 2001 WotC Chat Announcements)
Rainbow won't add to the Damage done, which is what everyone in this thread has been saying. It looks like your e-mail response was not correct. It may be that the person answering you did not fully understand the question.
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Shining Eevee
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posted October 23, 2002 09:09 PM
ok I gotcha
I dont think he miss understood the question though I simply asked if 2 rainbow Es. and a fire and grass would alow that ho-oh to do 70
I see whatcha sayin though...that it says "basic energy cards" on ho-oh and rainbow E says "is not a basic energy card"
understood
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Onix95
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posted October 23, 2002 10:51 PM
Now I'm just curious, does Colorless count as a Basic Energy Type, and if so, couldn't Rainbow Burn do a Maximum of 120 if you have 9 Basic Energy cards, one of each type, and 3 converted to Dark, Metal, and Colorless?
Porygon2 doesn't say it can't turn energy into Colorless.
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BJJ763
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posted October 24, 2002 03:18 AM
Colorless is not a Basic Energy Type. Actually Colorless isn't considered a Type at all. So Porygon2 cannnot Energy Convert it.
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