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Topic: What if a Top 8 drops before the Top 8 Starts?
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SteveP
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posted May 25, 2003 05:57 PM
Yesterday at our Colorado SBZ, a player was about to drop out after the swiss rounds completed and before we started the Top 8. However, with much encouragement, we convinced her mom to let her stay.
Anyway, does anyone know what DCI Reporter does when a player from the Top 8 drops out at the end of the swiss rounds? Does the Top 8 Special Pairings in Reporter take this into consideration and drop down to include the 9th place player in the Top 8? Or, is someone given a bye in the Top 8? Just curious.
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WizPog_PokeMom
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posted May 25, 2003 06:12 PM
We had this situation in SD: one player in the t8 had to leave and couldn't stay for those rounds. The player forfeited the first game in single-elim, and received the appropriate prizes; his opponent moved on to t4.
[ May 25, 2003, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: WizPog_PokeMom ]
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SteveP
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posted May 25, 2003 06:26 PM
Thanks PokeMom. Did DCI Reporter automatically do this for you? That is, did you drop the player after the last swiss round, do the Special Pairings in Report, and end up with the player receiving a forfeit (or ending up with an empty slot)? Here's why I ask. A forfeit would be reported as a loss (I think), but since the player dropped between rounds (after the swiss and before the top 8), he shouldn't get a DCI loss.
I'd think the only correct way that Special Pairings (Top 8) in Reporter would be either:
1. DCI Reporter drops down to the 9th player, or
2. DCI Reporter makes any empty slot in the Top 8 for the player who dropped.
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WizPog_PokeMom
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posted May 25, 2003 06:50 PM
I wasn't the one running reporter at our SBZ, but I'm guessing it was reported as a loss for the player who forfeited.
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NoPoke
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posted May 26, 2003 12:42 AM
'Mom is right:The player who leaves picks up a loss not so much because they are dropping but because they don't turn up for the next round that they have agreeded to play in.
[Reasoning]
When you elect to drop you are saying that 'I will drop at the end of the current round'. Once results are entered that round is over, so your drop is recorded against the next round. In the case where you don't start the next round you have effectively conceeded the match.
[and then I weasel out of it! LOL]
Having said all that unless the next round had started. By which I mean that pairings were posted and players seated. Then, especially given the circumstances, I'd get the head judge to amend the results from the swiss.
Whereas I think that it is the players responsibility to enter the result correctly and I'm generally unwilling to correct such mistakes once signed by all three parties. The decision to drop is often not the players alone. In the case you outlined there was obvioulsy intent to drop at the end of the swiss.
[edit: strictly there isn't any oportunity for decisions that effect pairings between the end of a previous round and the start of the next. But I'm not that strict! ]
[ May 26, 2003, 12:47 AM: Message edited by: NoPoke ]
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SteveP
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posted May 26, 2003 01:17 AM
NoPoke, actually, if the pairings for the next round haven't happened yet, you can drop. In my situation, that's what happened. The girl's mom told her she had to leave after the last swiss round. Before making the top 8 pairings, we convinced her mom to let her stay. So, my question is, if she had dropped before the top 8 pairings, what would the DCI Reporter software do? I'm not sure anyone has answered that question authoritatively yet. We're all speculating here. I'm just curious if anyone has had an actual incident like this using the software. But, thanks for your ideas.
*** UPDATE ***
I just tested this scenario on the DCI Reporter software and here's what happened. After completing the last swiss round, I dropped a top 8 player. Then, I paired the Top 8 and the 9th player moved up into the Top 8. So, that's how it works.
In our situation, I'm glad we asked the 9th place player to stick around while this mother was deciding. It would've been a real mess otherwise.
Pokemom, if your San Diego player dropped BEFORE the Top 8 pairings, your TO/HJ ran the Top 8 incorrectly (according to the software).
[ May 26, 2003, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: SteveP ]
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NoPoke
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posted May 26, 2003 02:03 AM
Steve I just checked in reporter and after entering the results for the swiss there is no option to subsequently drop a player prior to the Top 8. You can go back and amend the final results to specifically drop a player; which is what I said, and what I have done on occasion.....
Reporter then promts you to confirm the change of result when a previously entered result is being changed to include the drop.
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But strictly you aren't supposed to do anything other than enter the results on the slips as they are written. The Reporter guy/girl is only supposed to do what is writen on the slips, not what a player or parent may subsequently tell them.
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'Good News' or 'Bad News' but NOT NO NEWS
some people brag about their tournament results, me I'm gonna brag??? about what players have managed to get past me LOL
-------Hoodwinked---(things I won't get wrong again...)------
'legal stalling' : game loss at least
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
The prize swap penalty as it applies to shuffling.
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TrEkIeV
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posted May 26, 2003 04:27 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SteveP:
NoPoke, actually, if the pairings for the next round haven't happened yet, you can drop.
when you mean "pairings" , do you mean when the final standings of the last round have been announced or when the top 8 players find out who they will be playing against?
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posted May 26, 2003 06:30 AM
This belongs in the tourney forum... ![[Tap]](../tcg/graemlins/tap.gif)
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