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Wizpog_Sensei
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posted May 20, 2003 08:23 PM
Hey everyone,normally we don`t condone double posts in different forums,but I`m making an exception here.
It`d be a very good idea to think out any possible rules scenarios you may encounter this weekend if you are using any of the new energies,new pokemon with a poke-Body or poke-Powers,etc... and ask them here and/or at the chat.Doing so will help expedite a rules situation that you may come up against and could save time in a match where we all know that time is critical in a timed match... ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
Good luck this weekend!
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SteveP
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posted May 20, 2003 10:22 PM
The Poke-BODY, Poke-POWER, Pokemon Power differences seem pretty clear to me. For DCI purposes, Poke-BODY and Poke-POWER are subsets of Pokemon Power. So:
1. Any older pre-E cards that target Pokemon Powers also target Poke-BODY and Poke-POWER.
2. Any E-cards that target both Poke-BODY and Poke-POWER also target the older Pokemon Powers.
3. Any E-cards that specifically target either a Poke-BODY or Poke-POWER don't effect the older Pokemon Powers.
It this right? Personally, I'd prefer a generalized ruling like this instead of specific rulings about specific scenarios.
As for the new Skyridge energies, I don't see any problems except for maybe Retro. I'd assume the devolution happens AFTER removing the damage counters, like it implies on the card and clearly stated in the Japanese version.
My concern is that some will come with Skyridge Machamp decks thinking they can't take attack damage.
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posted May 21, 2003 02:34 AM
Can a Mysterous Fossle be given a TM and attack with it as long as it meets the other requirements involved (Ie, give it TM1 or a Mysterous Plate) Also if you attach a Sphere or Tm to a Higher difernt type (color) Pokemon and Devolve it, you keep the TM and can still use it correct?
If you remove 2 dammage counters with Reto Engery do you devolve since it seems linked to each other.
Magbies Sputter will not shut off Machamp correct?
If I have an Umberon active and a whole lot of Pokemon on my bench with the wording "Pokemon Powers" It only really hurts my oppenent and will not effect me right? ^_^
If I convert engery with Porygon2; say Fire into Fighting and attach a Sphere, can I then use the spheres attack (given that rulling that the engery you convert stays the same its just treated as that type...)
On Mystery Zone; it seems like one could cheet because the game text involved.
(Since you show your oppenents the cards invoved after the effect)
I make my pokemon colorless with that TM then use a self dammageing attack but have unown N out -30 done to self right?
With Underground Expendition; do you grab the bottom cards without turning your deck over (so you couldnt see the 5th card)
If you have the right type (color) engery on your pokemon for any of the sphers; do you do both effects or just one of em?
If you have a star pice on your pokemon and do an attack that moves your pokemon to your bench (or you do that to your oppenent whatever) I would assume you get the pice's effect... right?
If I harvest bounty two Retro Engerys... I can remove 4 dammage counters and devolve twice...
Can Underground fossle attack..? (Using a plate or sphere if you evolved it/devolved it)
You can devolve the same turn you evolve... but you cant evolve the turn you devolve right...
Having my Omnistar active I attach the Watter Sphere, the water Tm, and a mysterous plate or two or maybe more, I use harvest bountey to attach two Retro Engery to him, making him a Mysterous Fossle and then I pick and attack and attack you with mysterous fossle just because I can.
If Ditto.... ah nevermind this Ditto isnt as fun.
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posted May 21, 2003 02:30 PM
Steve P - I don't know the official position, if there even is one, but I disagree with point 2. Stating Poke-Bodies and Poke-Powers does not, IMO, automatically encompass all older Pokemon Powers.
Porygone3 - You're an awkward little devil 'aint ya?
Umbreon only affects Poke-Bodies.
Miracle spheres require the actual Basic Energy Card. Converted energies will not count (much like the Ho-oh that does more damage for each Basic Energy card attached).
Unown M reduces self damage.
You can get both effects of Miracle Spheres.
You can't eveolve the turn you devolve.
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posted May 21, 2003 08:31 PM
If I had a light dragonite active and I play a retro energy on my evolved scizor on the bench. Does it do anything to scizor? And if yes, then what? My friend argues that the remove two damage counters is not an effect and the devolve is so dragonite would just stop the devolution and discard.
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Brokenlizard
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posted May 21, 2003 08:45 PM
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== UNDERSEA RUINS (Aquapolis Expansion)
Q. If someone uses Undersea ruins to de-evolve one of their evolved pokemon, can they still evolve the same pokemon that turn providing that they didn't evolve that same turn already (there is no text on the card that says they cannot)?
A. The rules say no I believe. (Mar 6, 2003 WotC Chat, Q301)
Is this a definitve answer? The "I believe" caused some players to dispute this ruling.
One can not reevolve a Pokémon on the same turn it is devolved using Retro energy, correct?
An Aquapolis Scizor using Heavy Metal against a Light Dragonite (with Miraculous Wind working) would not get to flip for any attached Metal energy or Rainbow energy cards, correct?
[ May 21, 2003, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: Brokenlizard ]
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RainbowRichards
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posted May 22, 2003 05:42 AM
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If I harvest bounty two Retro Engerys... I can remove 4 dammage counters and devolve twice...
Retro energy text reads "When you play this card from your hand and attach it to..."
So that would mean moving it from another pokemon (like with Harvest Bounty) doesn't fulfill the requirement.
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If you have a star pice on your pokemon and do an attack that moves your pokemon to your bench (or you do that to your oppenent whatever) I would assume you get the pice's effect... right?
Star Piece's effect occurs "At any time between turns", so you would get the effect, but after the end of your turn (and before the other player draws).
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted May 22, 2003 06:56 AM
Star Piece:
If I have a Basic Pokemon that can evolve into a Dark Pokemon (Type or Name), can I attach a Starpiece to my basic that I placed a Dark Energy on first trun and evolve to the Stage at the End of My Opponent's turn then on my turn evolve to the Stage 2 Pokemon since the evolution to the stage 1 happened between turns?
Light Dragonite:
If I attach a Boost Energy to Forretress (Dis) and Rapid spin to the bench and bring up Light Dragonite as my Active, does the boost stay on Forretress since Light Dragon is now My active Pokemon before the end of my turn?
Do Effects from TMs effect Light Dragonite after a Successful Light Wave?
If I have a Charizard Active, can I attach Special Energy cards and then Energy Burn them to attack with Zard or does the energy Remain Colorless? I know that it was ruled that Tyranitar's Body still works, So I was wondering if Zards Power would do the same?
Articuno Promo:
Pretty sure this is a yes, but doesn't his/ her Pokemon Power protect the Bench from Called Shot?
Feint Attack:
Does it go through Metal Energy effect if on Bench? Or is it only Houndours that goes through Metal if the targeted pokemon is on the Bench?
Tyrogue (AQ):
I think it is the Energy Punch attack, does the 10 happen before or after the discarding of the Energy.. ie. I have a metal and it reduces damage then discards energy?
Thanks!!!
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yoshi1001
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posted May 22, 2003 08:03 AM
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Retro energy text reads "When you play this card from your hand and attach it to..."
So that would mean moving it from another pokemon (like with Harvest Bounty) doesn't fulfill the requirement.
You're thinking of LC Venusaur's Energy Trans.
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RainbowRichards
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posted May 22, 2003 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by yoshi1001:
You're thinking of LC Venusaur's Energy Trans.
Quite right! Thanks for pointing that out! ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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posted May 22, 2003 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by CmonIWanaPLaYa:
Do Effects from TMs effect Light Dragonite after a Successful Light Wave?
If I have a Charizard Active, can I attach Special Energy cards and then Energy Burn them to attack with Zard or does the energy Remain Colorless? I know that it was ruled that Tyranitar's Body still works, So I was wondering if Zards Power would do the same?
# 1 Since TM attacks are just like regular attacks, Light Dragonite that used its attack will not be affected by anything other than the damage.
#2 Charizard turns the part of the energy that provides a certain type into Fire. It doesn't change the fact that you may have a Metal or Darkness energy on him, so you should get the same effect, but they will count as fire.
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MrGrass
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posted May 22, 2003 07:54 PM
Star Piece: That sounds right to me. Pretty sneaky too.
Light Dragonite: I agree with Llama on these. He summed it up quite nicely I think.
Articuno: Let's see, Called shot does damage to the bench, which Articuno's power prevents. So it stops Called Shot.
Feint Attack: The old Feint Attacks do get reduced by metals on the bench, the new one doesn’t.
Tyrogue: You do damage before effects of the attack, so the Metal would prevent the damage and then get discarded.
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Wizpog_Sensei
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posted May 23, 2003 07:46 AM
OK guys,all the questions were asked.A Big thanx to Lizard(Jared) for taking the time and c&p`ing the questions and asking them at the chat.
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posted May 23, 2003 08:21 AM
Hey Sensei.. do you concur with the ruling on the Zard question?? Another player continues to say that Since Light Night's power is continous and Zard's is activated, the nrg can't be changed to fire adn stays colorless?? Please lmk asap for this weekend's SBZ!! Thanks!!
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posted May 23, 2003 08:38 AM
Regardless of whether or not anyone disagrees with a ruling by the MT`s,it is an official ruling and we have to abide by it until it would be overturned.You can`t just change a rule in a game.I think we`ve all disagreed with a ruling or two(or more...).Heck,TC has disagreed with a ruling or two that still stand to this day.The bottom line is as I stated above,they are official,agreed with or not.
Edit-Remember one thing folks,that the HJ/TO can overide any incorrect ruling as their say is final in the Tournament.So anyone who wants to abuse a misruling(thats dishonesty...) should not even bother to try.[/Edit]
Have fun this weekend!
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posted May 23, 2003 08:43 AM
The only problem though is this hasn't been ruled on that I can find... Dark Aura has but not the Energy Burn from LC Zard.... Though they have the same effect, Dark Aura is continous.. lmk what you find!! Thanks!!
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posted May 23, 2003 08:50 AM
have a look at the link that sensei gave.
Charizard's energy burn now takes precedence over light dragonites miraculous wind!
Yea GO 'ZARD
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posted May 23, 2003 09:01 AM
MTM has lots on his mind so he probably doesn't remember this ruling:
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Q. How does Light Dragonite's power interact with Base Charizard's Power in regards to energy type? Are you saying that Dragonite's Power overrides Charizard's?
A. What I think you're asking is: Can I still Energy Burn a special energy card into Fire energy if Light Dragonite is my opponent's active Pokemon? The answer is no, because this Pokemon Power is always in effect. You could still Energy Burn a basic energy card though. In this case the 'continual' power of Light Dragonite will override Charizard's 'activated' power. TPC makes a distiction between 'activated' powers and 'always on' powers. Both types are activated, while Light Dragonite's is an 'always on' power. (Feb 28, 2002 WotC Chat, Q358 & Q397 & Q400 & Q431)
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted May 23, 2003 09:12 AM
So the nZard can't nrg burn Special nrg.. ok then.. darn it.. that ws an UPPER ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif) and now a downer ![[NoNoNo]](../tcg/graemlins/nonono.gif) oh well.. not many Light Nite decks I hope are going to be played... Thanks BJJ!! This hasn't been overruled though has it?? just making sure!!
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posted May 23, 2003 10:36 AM
Here's what I've been able to generalized from the rulings about how conflicting effects are resolved:
Local effects take precedence over Global effects (i.e. Dark Aura overrides Miraculous Wind).
Continuous effects take precedence over Activated effects (i.e. Miraculous Wind overrides Energy Burn).
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