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Bass PikaMew
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posted July 15, 2003 03:35 AM

When I went to Aquapolis Super BattleZone, I feel that some questionable rulings were made by the judge there (and before you ask, the reason I didn't post this before was because I forgot).

1- Attacks that switch and Babies. According to the judge, if you used an attack that dealt damage after you switch the Defending Pokémon to the bench (such as Dark Gengar's Pull In, or Skyridge Machamp's Drag Off) and you make a Baby Pokémon active, you must then flip a coin.

My reason for disagreement for this judgement? The Baby Ruling states that:

quote:
If this Baby Pokémon is your Active Pokémon and your opponent tries to attack, your opponent flips a coin (before doing anything required in order to use that attack). If tails, your opponent's turn ends without an attack.

But the thing is, though, a Baby Pokémon wasn't Active when the attack was made; it was already in effect before the Baby was Active. Am I right on this call? Or was the judge?

2- Use Discovery Eevee's Energy Evolution ASAP. Even on your first turn (or the turn Eevee is played), if you attach an Energy to Eevee, you can use its Pokémon Power.

Why I disagree (even though I like it...) ? The Power states that "This counts as evolving Eevee." And a rule of the game is you can't evolve a Pokémon the turn it was played (or during the first turn of the battle) or if it just evolved that turn. Who made the right call?

3- Boost Energy can be attached to Light Dragonite while it's Active, and it won't have to be discarded at the end of the turn, and Light Dragonite can still retreat. It provides 3 Colorless Energy.

My argument? Yes, that does seem partially correct, but one thing is overlooked. A quote from Light Dragonite's Pokémon Power: Miraculous Wind:

quote:
...each Special Energy provides [1 Colorless] Energy.

Boost Energy is a Special Energy card. One of its effects are:

quote:
Boost Energy provides [3 Colorless] Energy.

Wouldn't Light Dragonite's Power disable this effect, too? Since it says "each Special Energy provides [1 colorless] Energy"?

I'd also like to point out that some of these calls (I forget which ones) were in favor of the judge's son (who was participating in the tournement.). If these calls were incorrect, do you think they were because of a conflict of interests?

Thanks for your time, eh!

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Porygone3
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posted July 15, 2003 03:58 AM

They only rulling they did wrong was the first one, if you do an attack that Pulls in a Baby pokemon, or do any attack agenst a Baby pokemon when its on the bench, then no flip. The way to explain this is easy, you do the effect of the attack, and since you've allready done that, then the dammage, so just state: ok you want me to flip after I've attacked that (say chancey) with my attack... and I've done its effect...? Heh.
The other rullings are correct.

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tolotos
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posted July 15, 2003 04:00 AM

You´re right about pull off, etc. With this attack you needn´t flip for the baby rules.
With Boost Energy. the judge was right. Wizards said that cards like Boost or DCE would still provide 2/3 colorless Energies. It´s not logicial but it´s the official ruling.
About the Eevee, I´m not sure, but I think I can remember that Things like its Power or TR Magikarps 2nd attack can be used in the first turn.

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WizPoG_Pop

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posted July 15, 2003 05:04 AM

Yep, only the Baby ruling was wrong.
The ruling on the Boost Energy has to do with the fact that it has a picture of [White Mana]

on the upper corner of the card, therefore, even though the text is ignored, it still supplies that much energy.

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Bass PikaMew
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posted July 16, 2003 01:10 AM

Alright, thanks. Although I still disagree with the rulings (especially how Light Dragonite's Power states "each Special Energy provides [1 Colorless] Energy" and how Eevee's Power states "counts as evolving Eevee"), but if it is what Wizards ruled on it, not much I can do then, eh?

Or are we allowed to argue rulings direct from Wizards? :P

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WizPog_BJJ

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posted July 16, 2003 04:38 AM

Not much to argue - you're misreading Light Dragonite:

quote:
Pokémon Power: Miraculous Wind As long as Light Dragonite is your Active Pokémon, each Special Energy card provides {C} Energy instead of its usual type and its other effects stop working. This power stops working while Light Dragonite is Asleep, Confused, or Paralyzed.

Provides "{C}" not provides "1 {C}". The best example i can think of would be Miracle Energy would provide [White Mana]

instead of the type(s) it normally provide. It still provides 2 energies but only provides [White Mana]

instead of all types of energy.

"Counts as Evolving" is there so that if Eevee had an effect on it from an attack, like being Charred, using Energy Eevolution would remove that effect. It would also trigger such things as promo Eevee's Chain Reaction. Normal rules of Evolving prevents you from evolving on the first turn a Basic was played but there are several Pokémon who get around this rule by using either a Pokémon Power or an attack effect.

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The Dark Llama
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posted July 16, 2003 11:25 AM

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If this Baby Pokémon is your Active Pokémon and your opponent tries to attack, your opponent flips a coin (before doing anything required in order to use that attack). If tails, your opponent's turn ends without an attack.

This was the entire point of my Dark Scizor Deck, attach 2 Darkness and a Metal, use metal Cube and I could kill off baby Pokes with no flip. Yay!

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posted July 16, 2003 01:50 PM

And this has what to do with the topic?

Back on subject, please... [NoNoNo]

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