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Topic: base charizard/light dragonite
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jediman
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posted April 13, 2003 01:40 AM
can charizard use fire spin against light dragonite?
the nearest and only applicable ruling i can find is:
• Q. With the Light Dragonite's "Light Wave" attack, does that only prevent such effects as Sleep, Poison, Paralysis, etc., or does it also cover other effects of attacks such as Drawing cards, discarding energies, etc. and also, would it prevent bench damage in any way? A. It works exactly as Suicune's Crystal Body does. This means that it prevents all effects DONE to Light Dragonite. So no status effects on it (like Smokescreen), no Special Conditions on it (like Poison) , you can't discad an energy or trainer attached to it (like Sneasel's Swipe), nor can you switch it using an attack effect like Dark Gengar's Pull In. (Mar 7, 2002 WotC Chat)
Since in this case you can't discard trainers or energy attached to light dragonite, and discarding energy is not an effect that is done to light dragonite.
Or is it that since discarding energy is required in order to use the attack, and discarding energy is an effect of the attack against light dragonite, the discarding of energy is impossible and the attack can't be used?
Or something else?
From: gilbert, arizona, usa | Registered: Feb 2001
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posted April 13, 2003 06:56 AM
Light Dragonite just prevent the damage done to it only.So Charizard Fire Spin still have to discards its energy in order to use its attack.
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jediman
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posted April 13, 2003 10:44 AM
light dragonite's attack says it prevents all effects of attacks, other than damage, done to light dragonite, i believe...
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jediman
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posted April 13, 2003 11:04 AM
since it behaves as suicine:
Suicune (LV 33) - Neo Revelation
• Suicune and all similar affects (Haunter's Transparency, Agility, etc.) have been clarified and finalized. Please ignore the previous Suicune rulings released in Nov/Dec 2001. As stated in that rules release they were only temporary until they were correctly figured out. While attacks are still always against the Defending Pokemon, regardless of where their effects end up, the effects end up on a specific Pokemon. So Suicune's Crystal Body Power which reads: "Prevent all effects of your opponent's attacks, other than damage, done to Suicune", means that ONLY effects done TO Suicune are prevented. So, an attack that does 20 damage and paralyzes would still do 20 damage but would NOT Paralyze a Defending Suicune. If the attacking Pokemon (with Suicune as the Defending Pokemon) does damage to a Benched Pokemon, Suicune's Crystal Body Power does NOT prevent that effect or damage as it is NOT being done to Suicune. Any additional effects the attack may have (such as having to discard an energy in order to use the attack, or self-inflicted damage) is NOT prevented as it is NOT done to Suicune. If Suicune is a Benched Pokemon and Dark Arbok uses its Stare attack against it ("Choose 1 of your opponent's Pokemon. This attack does 10 damage to that Pokemon. Don't apply Weakness and Resistance for this attack. (Any other effects that would happen after applying Weakness and Resistance still happen.) If that Pokemon has a Pokemon Power, that power stops working until the end of your opponent's next turn."), Suicune would still take the 10 damage but its Crystal Body Pokemon Power would prevent the Stare's effect of shutting off the Pokemon Power. It is important to recognize that attacks are always against the Defending Pokemon, which is why Cleffa's Eeeeeeek can be prevented by a Smokescreen effect or any other attack prevention even though the Eeeeeeek! attack does not do anything to the Defending Pokemon. So, Crystal Body, Agility, and Haunter's Transparency do NOT prevent Eeeeeeek!, only effects of attacks that are done TO them. (Feb 14, 2002 WotC Chat)
or the two energy are discarded and the light dragonite takes damage, as this ruling seems to indicate?
From: gilbert, arizona, usa | Registered: Feb 2001
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Freddy K
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posted April 14, 2003 10:15 PM
May be worthwhile to ask too if you had Special Energy on Charizard being 'Fire-spun' then does Light Dragonite block their transformation to ![[Red Mana]](../tcg/graemlins/red_mana.gif) energy?
e.g. Charizard has 4 Recycle Energy - can he Fire Spin?
I'd say 'no' in the first instance - something like your Ppower effects take precedence in the order of things, followed by your opponent's PPower?
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Q. How does Light Dragonite's power interact with Base Charizard's Power in regards to energy type? Are you saying that Dragonite's Power overrides Charizard's?
A. What I think you're asking is: Can I still Energy Burn a special energy card into Fire energy if Light Dragonite is my opponent's active Pokemon? The answer is no, because this Pokemon Power is always in effect. You could still Energy Burn a basic energy card though. In this case the 'continual' power of Light Dragonite will override Charizard's 'activated' power. TPC makes a distiction between 'activated' powers and 'always on' powers. Both types are activated, while Light Dragonite's is an 'always on' power. (Feb 28, 2002 WotC Chat, Q358 & Q397 & Q400 & Q431)
Well there you go, good ol' TC ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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Dan the Pokeman
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posted April 15, 2003 06:35 AM
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can charizard use fire spin against light dragonite?
Yes. Charizard's energy discard requirement is a cost of the attack, not an effect.
Also, as stated above, even if it were an effect, it is not an effect on L. Dragonite, and Light Wave only stops effects on L. Dragonite, not on other Pokemon.
As is indicated in the Suicune ruling, it wouldn't stop Eeeeeek, Fetch, SwordsDance, etc., or anything else that isn't actually done to L. Dragonite.
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Silvercharizard7
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posted April 20, 2003 11:13 AM
think of it as an agility without the flip, and without the negation of damage ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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