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Topic: Copycat: The New Elm?
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Raikou1234
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posted October 02, 2002 04:48 PM
I've been playing no elm and playing 3/4 copycat, and it's been playing great...You can still use trainers after, and you can get a lot of cards when the opponent has a big hand... Anyone else think it's really good? Or, do you think it's horrible?
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yoshi1001
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posted October 02, 2002 05:10 PM
I prefer 2/2 Copycat/Elm because then you have the possibility of copycatting, then Elming. That's something to consider. There's no denying the power of that card, however.
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posted October 02, 2002 09:40 PM
i like 2-4 copycat and 4 elm
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Wai-Lam
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posted October 03, 2002 12:28 AM
I would go 4/4 and ditch the Bills. ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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SteveP
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posted October 03, 2002 01:01 AM
Yup, copy-cat replaced the Bills in my decks.
That Prof Elm Supported ain't too bad either, if you can fit it, but I think copy-cat is a bit better.
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posted October 03, 2002 02:45 AM
copy cat is very good in team play... You get to choose which opponent you copy.
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posted October 04, 2002 11:34 AM
OK...everyone knows me for being the Unlimited boy here. Everyone else has already done their take on MMF -- How does this E-card affect Unlimited?
Vastly.
People used to play 4 Oak, 2 Elm or 3 Oak, 2 Elm because they were scared of either decking or discarding special energies.
Your opponent usually has 5+ cards in hand immediately making it better than Oak's Research. It gets you a decent amount of cards, and in most Unlimited decks, it just means ya can't use another Copycat that turn. And in a well-constructed Unlimited deck, within 5-7 cards (which ya Copycatted) you're most likely to have an Oak, Search, Finder, or whatever you were looking for in the first place -- A great card that allows a shuffle/draw without stopping Trainer flow.
In MF/MMF, with hand sizes as they are and draw power being a must, 4 Elm, 3-4 Copy, 4 DG, etc. are necessary. Copycat will be a staple in these new decks.
Unlimited: Most likely a 2 per deck kind of thing, replacing Elm as that shuffler.
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posted October 05, 2002 03:38 PM
well all i know is when the next west coast thing runs around ur gonna see me bust out my reverse holo copycats(got 2 going for 4)... ditch the bills eh?... ill toss something cause i need stregth charm in my deck
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LizardOTC
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posted October 06, 2002 11:59 AM
Copycat is a potentially great card, but IMO Oak's Research is better overall. This is because Oak's Research is 100% consistent. A new 5-card hand guaranteed is better than taking chances based on your opponent's hand size. 
Of course, Copycat can get you more cards than Oak's Research, but it can also be nearly worthless if your opponent has a small hand. 
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posted October 06, 2002 02:35 PM
I personally love this card. "Sorry bill, no room for you anymore. I believe almost every deck should have at least one. If you want to combo it and guarantee more cards, you can use imposter professor oak. I don't though...
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yoshi1001
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posted October 06, 2002 02:53 PM
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Of course, Copycat can get you more cards than Oak's Research, but it can also be nearly worthless if your opponent has a small hand.
Not if you're trying to avoid decking-then it can be very good.
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posted October 06, 2002 04:19 PM
I like Oak's Reasearch better. First off, you always get five, and with games I play, most of the time you play your hand fast and hard and not hold back so my opponent never has 5 or more cards in their hand. Also, like I said, I go fast and hard, and I like to get a major amount of cards out first. So when I go, if I go second, my opponent has averagely 4 cards in their hand, because 2 of them are basics, and also the use of trainers themselves, or gold berries. You get my drift? All I am trying to say is that Oak's Research is a better elm than copycat, because of the use in the beginning of the game and the constant five cards give unlike copycat which could get you 0 cards sometimes. Yes copycat maybe does help you not deck yourself, but people won't put it in their decks for that reason and half of those who do put it in their decks for that reason won't use it that way.
Early in game
O. Research > Copycat
Late in game
Copycat > O. Research
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posted October 06, 2002 05:44 PM
I like to play all three. There's always more room for card drawing in a deck and all of these cards are good. Remember when we used to use "8 oaks?" (4 oak 4 item finder).
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EmperorTopazJosh
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posted October 12, 2002 11:46 AM
Personally, I don't have a copycat yet(gasp!) however, I do enjoy Professor oak's research to get a new hand. I think that Professor oak's research and Copycat is going to be like Mary and Bill's teleporter once were. Almost all the Mary supporters will go for Oak's research for its consistancy, and Bill's Teleporter fans will go after copycat for its ability for major card advantage.
Either are good, but if your opponent has a cleffa active, you should want copycat
Oddly enough, copycat is the number one way to make sure your opponent doesn't attack with Cleffa.
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SauroN
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posted October 12, 2002 02:34 PM
Uhm...
Copycat is SO much better than Oaks Research.
SO MUCH BETTER!
People use Cleffa. People use Elm. People use COPYCAT. People use Oaks Research.
in very few of my games i've had less than 5 cards in my hand. it almost never happens.
copycat IS the better card.
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posted October 12, 2002 03:12 PM
I like to use bills maintence, instead of bills but i really like to use 2 kopykats with 2 elms, I usually get about too many or too little cards w. kk, and when i do use it i almost always get an elm so it works, oh and also heres a list of trainers i find are useful:
2 Copycat
2 P. Elm
2 Dual Ball
2 Bill's Maintenence
2 P. Oaks Research
3 Rocket hideouts
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3 G. Berries
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posted October 12, 2002 03:54 PM
I have had less than 5 cards in my hand a lot. At Gym Challenges people use to think it was funny to IOR me followed by a sneak attack right before a trap >_<. It always worked. Thankfully Wizards wanted to give me a chance so they changed the format ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif) .
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posted October 12, 2002 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by EmperorTopazJosh:
Almost all the Mary supporters will go for Oak's research for its consistancy, and Bill's Teleporter fans will go after copycat for its ability for major card advantage.
Actually I played Mary, and [refer copycat!
Anyway, I think 2/2 copycat elm is good several times today I would copycat then elm.
Copycat is good for when your opponent has a lot of cards in their hand, elm is vice-versa
I think I might add one oak's research to my deck, but just one Copycat is a lot beter.
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SteveP
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posted October 12, 2002 11:14 PM
After playing with both Copycat and Prof Elm's Research the past few weeks, I've come to the conclusion that both cards are great depending on the situation (like yoshi, lizard, prime, and others have stated). While I still run 3-4 Elms (in Modified), I now also run 2 Copycats and 2 Prof Elm's Research in most of my combo-intensive decks.
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posted October 13, 2002 06:56 PM
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I have had less than 5 cards in my hand a lot. At Gym Challenges people use to think it was funny to IOR me followed by a sneak attack right before a trap >_<. It always worked. Thankfully Wizards wanted to give me a chance so they changed the format .
Actually that combo pretty much died when Cleffa was released, even in Unlimited. Who plays Trap (12 cards) when they can use Lass (2-3 cards) and achieve pretty much the same results?
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Viva la unoriginality!
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posted October 14, 2002 08:53 AM
And I... still want my Gambler's back! ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif) ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
I think that Copycat will be great-until every realizes that they can learn to control their hand to deny their opponent. What do I mean? Well, now that we aren't so dependent on Professor Elm for drawing, I'll likely be able to play most of my trainers each turn. That is what kept mine (and many others') hand so huge. Also, I am finding my Trainer count rising again (I am runnung around 20-26 in my decks now). These two mean that as long as I play most pokes when I get them (and I am now needing to do that more), my hand is usually only 3-6 cards. So versus me, copycat isn't so hot.
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