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Topic: To Anyone (and everyone) who thinks Oracle should be in every deck
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PojosamaWannabe
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posted May 09, 2003 01:18 PM
ITS NOT THAT GOOD!!!
First off, you need Oracle and Bill in hand just to use this combo.
Secondly, you need to be sure you have everything else you need in hand. If you oracle for a Flaafy and a Ampharos with Mareep on bench for example, you better have enough energy to load them up. You also better have a double gust just in case your opponent tries something. If you Oracle for a Flaafy and gold berry, energy, etc., you better have the Ampharos ready after you make your two draws.
Thirdly, its a waste of 4 spaces. Use Copycat, you'll get the cards and the energy. Spend the 4 Bill spaces on something else.
If you do not have a great hand, you're not gonna be able to set up. Oracle for 2 cards, evolve and attach and then what? You wasted two turns of draw and you now depend on the next top deck to stay alive.
Its not worth it!
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Spectreon
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posted May 09, 2003 02:11 PM
First off, it doesnt only combo with Bill, there are otehr cards it will work with, such as little Eek Cleffa and Lucky stadium, and any other card that lets you draw from the top of your deck.
Also, card doesnt have to be played without combo, personally I would only put 2-3 in a deck, and since I dont run 3-4 Oaks and Copycat, it wnt hurt me as bad. If you want to risk only drawing 2 specific cards for the next 2 turns, then rely on top decking, it is the choice(risk) you make when playing it.
Also think of it like this, Comp search requires a 3 card discard for 1 card, where as with Bill combo, you discard 2 cards for 2 cards. When used right, this is more effective, and there is no choosing which cards you dont want or need to discard for 1 card.
Yes it could be better, and may be a tad over-rated, but it is one of best draw cards availible in Modified play, when used correctly. Also remember this card allows ANY 2 cards to be chosen, not just a chance for them, or restricted to a certian type of card. In modified, I dont think we have any cards like that, and in the whole game, we have 3, maybe 4 including this one. (Cards i know of are Comp Search, TR Secret Experiment, and now Oracle)
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dkates
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posted May 09, 2003 03:10 PM
OK, I'm a little behind the times. What is the exact text of Oracle?
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GymLeaderPhil
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posted May 09, 2003 04:23 PM
Oracle does not and I repeat, does not have to be combo'd up with Bill.
Putting Bill into your deck along with Oracle is a waste of space. I'm planning on running four Oracle in my deck, just like I did with my old buddy Computer Search in Unlimited. The only drawback is waiting a turn to draw the card you want and then another turn for the second card you want.
Besides the odds of pulling a Bill and Oracle at the same time is slim to none. In a worst case scenario you'd end up drawing a Bill, which is not up to par with other draw cards in the card pool. There are better fishies in the sea folks.
Additionally, with Modified, there are FEW cards that people use or want to waste space on that alter the opponent's deck. So your cards that you choosed will remain safe as long as you dont use another Trainer or effect that shuffles the deck.
Having a lonely Oracle is just fine and dandy with me.
-Phil
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Monkey
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posted May 09, 2003 07:30 PM
Umm yea, what is the text or Oracle?
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Orange Soda
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posted May 09, 2003 07:49 PM
*looks at Zeo's scans*
Oracle:
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Choose 2 cards from your deck and shuffle the rest of your deck. Put the chosen cards on top of your deck in any order.
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Prime
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posted May 09, 2003 09:21 PM
You could easily disrupt a oracle using a trainer that makes both players shuffle their deck. Think about it, your opponent uses a oracle and next turn you use a challenge or something else, and they have to shuffle the cards. That ruins oracle completly.
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Crobat1
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posted May 09, 2003 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Prime:
You could easily disrupt a oracle using a trainer that makes both players shuffle their deck. Think about it, your opponent uses a oracle and next turn you use a challenge or something else, and they have to shuffle the cards. That ruins oracle completly.
Yup.
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MonkeyMan88
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posted May 09, 2003 11:10 PM
Ok I totally agree with pojo here I mean it isnt a BAD card but in most sencarios (sp) I would rather draw a copycat or oaks research and get the card I need now or elms for it etc. Then wait a turn for it. I only see it good singly if you are setup and need that last dbg for prize or something
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NoPoke
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posted May 10, 2003 02:00 AM
Hmm a card that legally allows me to stack my deck for a turn, that has got to be good even with pokémons high draw power....
Entei players can now guarantee energy from a howl! boo hiss down with entei/magcargo.. (wonder if oracle has already been added to 'Purity' )
In team play a card that allows me to guarantee what my partner draws. WOW
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The prize swap penalty as it applies to shuffling.
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Brokenlizard
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posted May 10, 2003 04:43 AM
This card does NOT compare with Forest Guardian. Not even close.
In (almost) any properly built and played deck Elming/Eeking/Copycatting is going to set you up MUCH better than 2 turns of guaranteed topdecking.
As always, there are limited exceptions. In this case, a deck that depends entirely on special energies, of which there can be only 4 each, could make Oracle worthwhile. Maybe.
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GymLeaderPhil
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posted May 10, 2003 08:33 AM
1st Card for Oracle: Evolution for Pokemon/Tech
2nd Card for Oracle: Professor Elm/Oak
1st: Basic/Stage1 Evolution
2nd: Stage2 Evolution
I dont deny the power of drawing, but this is too good to pass up folks. Instead of randomly searching for a card that COULD be in your prizes, I'd rather be sure of getting the next two cards during each draw phase. Think outside of the box, the odds of finding one card with Copycat/Elm/Oak/Cleffa is against you. You'd end up decking yourself.
-Phil
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LugiasForce
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posted May 11, 2003 07:03 AM
![[Confused]](../tcg/confused.gif) Who said it was bad?
Oracle is great. A double computer search (with no "discard 2 cards from your hand" text) in modified with the only drawback of waiting to draw them in a turn or two.
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Ice'Cold
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posted May 11, 2003 02:34 PM
This card is good, but must be player correctly. Thinking about another card, I want to point out desert shaman. It reads "Shuffle your hand into your deck and draw 4 cards, your opponent does the same." This is good because against anyhting other than Entei it will make that Oracle they just used worthless, and may reduce their hand size while possibly increasing yours and getting you a card you need. Oracle can also be useful in a scizor/muk deck, say you use aquapolis furret to find metal energies then oracle to get scizor topdecked while you begin to power up scyther, that could really help is setting up some of these big strategies while not having to keep shuffling through your deck *hoping* to get the cards you need.
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Spectreon
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posted May 11, 2003 02:36 PM
Dont forget, nill is not the only card to "combo" with Oracle, there are several others. A couple of good ones are Lucky Stadium (50% chance of getting 1 card this turn, 1 card next) and Little Eek Cleffa (My personal fave, also elimnates opponent forcing you to shuffle your deck.)
Side note: There are several cards to screw up an opponent who just played Oracle, like Dessert Shaman, and dont forget Pokemon who know Prophecy, Keeps those 2 cards just 1 card away. LOL. Personalyy, for the most part I would play Oracle to my advantage, to where cards are in hand, leaving them on top of the deck would be a situational move, anyways, more of my 2 cents.
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Crobat1
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posted May 11, 2003 02:39 PM
Any card that we already developing a meta-game against is clearly powerful.
I think that the trade value of my Genesis Noctowls just went up.
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Articjedi
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posted May 11, 2003 08:09 PM
Oracle is a decent searching card, the problem is weighing how the cards you search for are going to affect the game against the time it takes to draw it, after all, you draw it the next turn. It's definently not worth putting four of in.
Oracle's biggest weakness is that it only works when you are probably doing well anyway. I would rather have a new hand with all the cards I need than a single evolution next turn. The most common use would be searching for an elm, which you could probably copycat for, or you could just eeeeeeek. The first card you search for is the one you are going to use, not the second. If you really have to wait for that second turn, well, you either have an excellent hand (you are already winning the game), or you are very desparate (you are losing).
Fast fire might use it. You might want a couple of fire energy on top of your deck for howl. But you probably wouldn't want an entei or a macargo because then it would slow down the deck.
Kingdra would love this card because then you can search for double gusts, not to mention all of the healing cards you need to keep your kingdras alive.
I'll probably try to find room for one or two, otherwise, it gets redundant because they just take up space. I don't need one on the first turn, I'll be more concerned with building up my attackers, and I'll probably draw the last double gust in the late game due to a very thinned out deck. The best time would be mid game where support cards are needed, usually a over powered trainer like double gust or pokemon center or elm out of desparation.
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