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Topic: Teamplay questions, please help
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Lex Luthor
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posted July 13, 2003 07:28 PM
I have a few teamplay questions I hope someone can help me with.
Skyridge Ledian:During your opponents next turn, Ledian can't be affected by a special condition.
If Ledian targets me with that attack, can my partner affect Ledian with a special condition on his turn?
Dark Feraligator:Pokemon power scare:Is scare targeted to one opponent and if so can the partners babies attack Dark Feraligator?
And a non teamplay question:
Vaporeon skyridge:Aqua trick: if the defending pokemon has any energy cards attached to it, flip a coin, if heads choose one of those energy cards and move it to one of your opponents benched pokemon.
If the pokemon is knocked out, do they still get to flip to move an energy?
Thanks for any help!
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yoshi1001
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posted July 13, 2003 07:42 PM
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If Ledian targets me with that attack, can my partner affect Ledian with a special condition on his turn?
Yes.
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Dark Feraligator:Pokemon power scare:Is scare targeted to one opponent and if so can the partners babies attack Dark Feraligator?
It would be targeted to one opponent, so the other player could still attack.
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If the pokemon is knocked out, do they still get to flip to move an energy?
From the compendium:
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Q. Did you solve my little Hyper Beam KOing a Pokemon with Ecogym in play problem?
A. Sure its easy. The damage is applied first, if that is enough to Knock out the Defending Pokemon you are done, it is Knocked Out BEFORE any energy is removed due to the rest of the attack's effects. So, there is no issue in that case. (Aug 9, 2001 WotC Chat, Q246)
So, no, you would not flip to remove an energy.
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Crobat1
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posted July 13, 2003 08:04 PM
QUOTE]If Ledian targets me with that attack, can my partner affect Ledian with a special condition on his turn?[/QUOTE]
Yoshi: Isn't the effect on Ledian itself and therefore relevant regardless of who tries to attack Ledian? In teamplay, is there no such thing as an effect which resides on a Pokemon and is relevant regardless of who tries to attack (such as agility)?
[ July 13, 2003, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Crobat1 ]
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MrGrass
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posted July 13, 2003 08:24 PM
I think the issue is with the phrase "your opponent's next turn" which makes you have to choose which opponent the effects are... umm.. effecting.
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Crobat1
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posted July 13, 2003 08:28 PM
Thank you Mr. Grass. That is absolutely correct and I am sure that is the basis of Yoshi's ruling.
Hope to see ya at GenCon.
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yoshi1001
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posted July 13, 2003 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Crobat1:
Thank you Mr. Grass. That is absolutely correct and I am sure that is the basis of Yoshi's ruling.
Actually, I was just using a Magic 8-ball. But you can think that if you want. ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
(Sorry-couldn't resist)
But yes, the use of the word opponent requires you to declare which opponent is being effected.
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 14, 2003 06:37 AM
From Team Compendium under "General Gameplay",
in the section called "Knock Outs and Prizes":
* Some clarification on how attack results are calculated. Follow the chart in the rulebook under "How Do You Figure Out the Damage" [Ed. Note: See HERE ]. Ignore the rules in "What Order Do You Do Your Attack" (specifically f) [Ed. Note: See HERE ]. When your Pokémon attacks go through the normal steps through h [of the "How Do You Figure Out the Damage"], IF enough damage is put onto the opposing Pokémon to Knock it out then that Pokémon is considered Knocked Out. DO NOT ACTUALLY REMOVE THE CARD, TAKE A PRIZE CARD, OR MOVE UP A REPLACEMENT UNTIL ALL ATTACK EFFECTS ARE DONE. What this means is that if the placing of the damage on the Pokémon TRIGGERS a return attack (like Dark Gyarados' Final Beam or Rocket Hitmonchan's Crosscounter attack) then you jump back up into the order and resolve this NEW attack BEFORE you do step I) Now that damage has been done,if the attack does anything else besides damage, do all of that. This explains how an attack that paralyzes does NOT prevent Dark Gyarados's Final Beam effect if the Dark Gyarados is Knocked Out. Only AFTER all damage and attack effects are resolved do you actually remove the Knocked Out Pokémon, draw a prize card, and replace it. Keep in mind though, that as soon as a Pokémon takes damage equal to its current HP it is considered Knocked Out regardless of what other attack effects occur after damage. (Sep 7, 2000 WotC Chat Announcements)
* Clarification on the whole Knock Out/triggered effects steps in Pokémon as well. When a Pokémon receives sufficient damage to be Knocked Out it is INSTANTLY Knocked out (before anything else is done). HOWEVER, Prize cards are NOT drawn AND replacement Pokémon are NOT moved up until ALL triggered effects are resolved. Meaning that if Blaine's Moltres does its attack and Knocks out Dark Gyarados, the Dark Gyarados would get its chance with its Final Beam attack effect BEFORE the Moltres can return to your hand (if you flipped tails). Blaine's Moltres states that it would be returned to your hand AFTER DOING DAMAGE. This means AFTER all triggered effects are resolved (in this case the Dark Gyarados' Final Beam). So after everything has resolved THEN prizes are drawn and replacement Benched Pokémon are moved up (with the player whose turn is next choosing first). (Aug 24, 2000 WotC Chat Announcements)
Vaporeon is another of my new friends,
so we talked about this a while back...
Espeon ![[cloud9]](../tcg/graemlins/cloud9.gif)
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Taichi
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posted July 14, 2003 06:25 PM
I once saw a TP question about weakness guard. The card says discard this card at the end of your opponent's next turn. In TP, if you choose opponent B as your opponent, it still prevents the doubled damamge from opponent A. Isn't this the same situation as ledian's pollen shield?
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yoshi1001
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posted July 14, 2003 06:32 PM
No. Weakness guard says: Discard it at the end of your opponent’s next turn. so it stays attached (and effective) during both player's turns.
Ledian says: During your opponents next turn. Therefore, it only works during that player's turn.
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