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MaStErRaIcHu
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posted November 04, 2002 08:31 PM
if i use sputer than my oppent uses gust for my raichu dose the effect of sputer end?
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IPGeek21
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posted November 04, 2002 09:42 PM
Yep.
IF you sputter and your opponent can GOW our double gust OR somehow BENCH magby the effect is gone.
IF your opponent can KNOCK out magby, the effect also ends.
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BJJ763
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posted November 05, 2002 03:05 AM
You're welcome. ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
Slowking rules!!!!!
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CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak
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posted November 05, 2002 11:27 AM
This is EXACTLY why Slowking rules, as BJJ said.
Player A plays Magby and sputters.
Player B (Slowking player) can either Gust of Wind in a big hitter and use Beat up to KO it, also killing Sputter, or take the nearly 50% shot and attempt to KO the magby itself, each ending the effect.
2 Gusts usually = 2 big hitters down so by the time they can actually get the Sputter effect they need to rebuild!
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MaStErRaIcHu
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posted November 06, 2002 11:04 AM
thax to all who replyed this has been a big problem at the league i go to
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LuckyCal
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posted November 06, 2002 06:47 PM
Let me take this opportunity to vent something I've had on my mind for a while. I want to state that I personally have always disagreed with the Magby rule. I realize that it's an official ruling, and I've had to (reluctantly) rule on it as a judge in the past. But I don't follow how the effect of an attack like Magby's Sputter or Psyduck's Headache has to reside on one Pokémon (itself) when the similar effects of Trainer cards like Goop Gas Attack and Professor Elm are global, not resident to a particular Pokémon in play. It just doesn't seem like a valid argument to me that the effects of attacks must always reside on a Pokémon.
There, I've finally sounded off on this. I don't usually rant, but... ah, forget it. Logic seems to defy the game of Pokémon, I realize. I may leave for Magic... NO, not really.
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posted November 06, 2002 06:49 PM
Peh... double post. Hate when that happens...
[ November 06, 2002, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: LuckyCal ]
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yoshi1001
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posted November 07, 2002 03:05 AM
LuckyCal, remember that if anything happens to Magby, it becomes very difficult to prove sputter ever occoured, since it places no counters of any sort (as far as stopping powers). Therefore, the effect is on the whole play area, but Magby is the keystone because the effect needs to eminate from somewhere.
Why aren't these attacks treated like the trainer cards you mentioned? I'm not sure as to the exact reason. Maybe it's because trainer cards have different properties and simply can't be manipulated as well as as Pokemon (trainer cards cannot be benched, evolved, etc.).
As has been said, Pokemon does not have a complete 100% rules logic system. Welcome to life, folks. There are so many other factors (translation issues, feasibility issues, etc.) that a complete logic system, in my view, becomes impossible to generate. Even if we could make such a system, I imagine we'd disagree on the logic.
Besides, at least we have rulings.
Just my thoughts on things.
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BJJ763
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posted November 07, 2002 03:56 AM
And i think one of the metarules for Pokémon is attack effects reside on either the Defending, Attacking, or in some cases, both Active Pokémon. And if it does not state the Defending, it resides on the Attacking.
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LuckyCal
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posted November 07, 2002 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by yoshi1001:
LuckyCal, remember that if anything happens to Magby, it becomes very difficult to prove sputter ever occoured, since it places no counters of any sort (as far as stopping powers). Therefore, the effect is on the whole play area, but Magby is the keystone because the effect needs to eminate from somewhere.
And... if Trash Exchange is used after Goop Gas Attack... what proof is there that GGA was played in the first place? It's not logical. But then again, as I conceded in my original post, and you reiterated, logic somehow seems to evade the game of Pokémon. That's something that I have to accept, no matter how contradictory it seems to my analytical mind.
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Besides, at least we have rulings.
And thank goodness for that...
[ November 07, 2002, 04:09 AM: Message edited by: LuckyCal ]
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yoshi1001
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posted November 07, 2002 04:17 AM
I'm pretty sure that's correct, BJJ (although there may be a few special circumstances cases, but they're very rare if they exist-generally some physical structure would have to be placed in play). Actually, if you read the attacks section of the Compendium, you'd be amazed how many questions deal with "does benching active/defending remove effect?"
Luckycal: Keep in mind that it's your trash exchange and your goop gas and your discard pile-the Magby scenario is usually caused by your opponent. Also, as I said, trainer cards can't generally be benched, evolved, etc.
Oh, and if they ever did come up with a complete logic system...we'd all be able to relate to MT Pat, so be glad there isn't one.
[ November 07, 2002, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: yoshi1001 ]
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted November 07, 2002 11:47 AM
Real Qucik on the same topic--does Sputter shut down PokeBodies too?
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yoshi1001
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posted November 07, 2002 11:54 AM
Poke-Bodies are Pokemon powers, so sputter shuts them off.
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posted November 07, 2002 01:19 PM
And indeed if you couldn't check with MT Pat you could always ask his gameboy!
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posted November 08, 2002 10:58 PM
BJJ: are you the one who ruled that Magby's effect stops when it is benched?
Yoshi:what difference does it really make who caused Goop Gas Attack to go back into your deck or who caused Magby to leave the active position?
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BJJ763
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posted November 10, 2002 08:20 PM
No i am not the one who ruled this. I'm just the one who email the MT's this rule and my reasons why it should be ruled as such. They agreed with me and ECSTS2001 was never the same.....
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posted November 10, 2002 08:29 PM
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Yoshi:what difference does it really make who caused Goop Gas Attack to go back into your deck or who caused Magby to leave the active position?
Slimey: Would one not expect another to keep track of their own house?
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