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Psychic_Prof
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posted August 05, 2002 08:39 PM
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Q. Re: Ditto vs. Sabrina's Alakazam - so then if Sabrina's Alakazam were to be confused, Ditto would no longer have the Psylinked attacks, right?
A. BOOYAH! Right, if Sabrina's Alakazam lost its Pokemon power (in any way), then Ditto copying it would NOT have those additional attacks as the Sabrina's Alakazam would NOT have them. Simple really. (May 31, 2001 WotC Chat, Q146 & Q192)
I though PokeMon powers just stopped working.
It's not like the PP just got deleted by Confusion.
Just cause it's turned off, doesn't mean Sabrina's Alakazam just lost it's power.
I think that it would still HAVE the power, it would just be shut off, therefore, Ditto would also still have the power.
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yoshi1001
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posted August 05, 2002 08:44 PM
Reread it. The ditto player's attacks would be availible, however those on the other side (save Sab. Zam itself) would not.
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Psychic_Prof
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posted August 05, 2002 08:46 PM
Hm...you know...my post don't normally seem intelligent..much like this one. But IRL I'm a smarrt guy...I swear
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Drakeo
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posted August 05, 2002 08:48 PM
More clarification: This one takes some thinking.
Fact: Ditto is a "copy" of the defending pokemon
Fact: kazam's power means you play as if they were "written" on the card.
So we can logically state that: Ditto has the psylink power, but not the attacks of the oppoent(which were written on alakazam due to the power). Ditto can psylink on his own bench, but loses sab's alakazam's psylinked moves, save for the ones actually physically ON the card.
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MK54
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posted August 06, 2002 04:16 PM
Ok, how about this:
Ditto Vs Sabrina's Alakazam. Neither of them are confused. (All of their powers are on)
Does this mean that Ditto has copies from psychic Pokémon on "all players benches"?
Think about it, the real Sabrina's Alakazam has all of these attacks it's copying right now. Ditto copies Sabrina's Alakazam and all of the attacks it has. Ditto also gets the benefit of Sabrina's Alakazam's Pokémon power and grabs it's own benches attacks... is that how it works?
In other words, would Ditto get all attacks from all Psychic Pokémon on both benches? Thanks...
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White Gryphon
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posted August 06, 2002 04:25 PM
Nah, I believe it says "your bench", so it would only work on your pokemon. Nothing about your opponent's pokemon is stated on the Alakazam's power, so when your Ditto copies it, the power would only apply to your own pokemon.
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Drakeo
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posted August 06, 2002 05:30 PM
Uh oh, you slipped Gryphon ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
Actually, TECHNICALLY ditto only has attacks from all psychic pokemon on his bench, and the opposing sabrina's alakazam. However, because all the attacks from psychic pokemon on your opponent's bench are TECHNICALLY written on sabrina's alakazam, ditto has them. So for all intents and purposes, ditto has all attacks from all psychic pokemon on both benches. This is switched to the scenario that was brought up earlier if sabrina's alakazam becomes confused.
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White Gryphon
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posted August 06, 2002 07:12 PM
Hey, at least it was another Professor that corrected me. Thanx Drakeo!
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MK54
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posted August 07, 2002 07:34 AM
Just thought I'd make a little diagram
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SD_PokeMom
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posted August 07, 2002 07:45 AM
Since the other forums are open again, I'm going to move this to Single Card Strategy. Thanks for understanding! ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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TeamRocket-4-Life
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posted August 07, 2002 08:10 AM
MK54, you should consider diagram-ing all of the Compendium Rulings! just kidding, of course.
That picture does clear it up quite a bit, thanks.
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Psigh
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posted August 08, 2002 05:13 PM
Drakeo, you play it as written. You have a copy of all Psychihc attacks on your bench, not your opponent's bench.
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MK54
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posted August 08, 2002 05:37 PM
Yoshi, can you give us a definitive answer?
This is what's wrong:
Q. Re: Ditto vs. Sabrina's Alakazam - so then if Sabrina's Alakazam were to be confused, Ditto would no longer have the Psylinked attacks, right?
A. BOOYAH! Right, if Sabrina's Alakazam lost its Pokemon power (in any way), then Ditto copying it would NOT have those additional attacks as the Sabrina's Alakazam would NOT have them. Simple really. (May 31, 2001 WotC Chat, Q146 & Q192)
This implies that when not confused, Ditto does have the psylinked attacks. What else could it mean? Whenever Ditto is copying ANYTHING, it doesn't matter if whatever it's copying is confused or not, Ditto is always a copy of opponent, therefore, even a confused Pokémon being copied still let's ditto get it's Pokémon Power for it's own, so, the compendium IS saying that Ditto when copying a S.A. that's power IS on gets to copy ALL psychic Pokémon's attacks on both benches...
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Kangaskhan0000
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posted August 08, 2002 07:43 PM
Ok, yoshi's not on(i would know. the s/n's on my buddy list), so I'll spam a reply( ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif) ).
Gosh...KISS theory again, huh?(Keep it simple, stupid!)
Ditto's power(I'm reading it right now) is an EXACT copy of the Defending Pokemon. If s'zam isn't confused, then s'zam writes on itself the attacks from benched psy pkmn. Since Ditto is an exact copy of s'zam, it gets the written-on attacks, too, along with ditto's own bench. BUT, if s'zam is confused, then the only attacks Ditto gets are:
1) s'zam's natural 60 damage attack
2) Ditto's psylinked attacks
With all the profs it took trying to solve this, I should earn professorship just by giving this ruling! Ahh, maybe not...Oh, well, the search continues for me as I try to find a sanctioned tourney near this big small town
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Psychic_Prof
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posted August 08, 2002 07:55 PM
I personally don't know why this went beyond two replies...but...hey...hopefully this will be my first 2 page post. GO ME!
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Kangaskhan0000
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posted August 08, 2002 09:03 PM
If that's the case(sorry for spamming[ ]), then you may want to keep yoshi away from this, since he/she(I dunno yet, perhaps next IM) is like a gavel in a courtroom; he/she's the final say on it. Otherwise, you may make it to 2 pages. I would like to cheer you on, but, as you know, the search continues for a sanctioned tourney in my big small town.
CYA!
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MK54
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posted August 09, 2002 06:03 AM
If that's the case(sorry for spamming
Just so you know, this is FAR from spam. You all have been thrice removed from the truth...
We had a conversation goin on, and, it actually went somewhere... and, we kinda learned somethin as well...
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Drakeo
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posted August 09, 2002 07:09 AM
psigh: Why don't you try actually reading what I wrote? ![[Mad]](../tcg/mad.gif)
I'm not stupid, I'm very well aware of the self-referncing rule. But the reason Ditto has the attacks from your opponent's bench as well is because Sabrina's Alakazam ALSO has it's own power. So it PSYLINKS it's OWN bench, and ditto copies the psylinked attacks ![[Bored]](../tcg/graemlins/dozey.gif)
Yoshi: C'mon, hurry up and agree so we can close this blessed discussion once and for all
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NoPoke
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posted August 09, 2002 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by Psychic_Prof:
I think that it would still HAVE the power, it would just be shut off, therefore, Ditto would also still have the power.
You are correct: Sabrina's Alakazam's PP is shut off, and Ditto's copy of the PP is on.
Just how many posts does it take to get to two pages?
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