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Topic: Skyridge Umbreon vs. Fossil Muk
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Porygone3
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posted May 14, 2003 12:43 PM
Ever heard of opening a can of worms. Its an old saying... once you open a can of worms, (live ones I would immagen) its kinda hard to get em all back inside, eh? Anyway... backwords rullings exist for a reasion, so that the game can keep going with out rewrites for every card. Lets look at Snorlax, his Power is more like a Poke-Body then anything, take a look at Mr. Mime from Jungle- same thing. Alot of us could look at old school cards and pretty much tell if it should have been called a Poke-Body (as it was always on)
But-- a list clarfying that would be nuts.
Why am I saying that Pokemon Powers should be consedered Poke-Powers for game play mechanics?
Well- putting aside that Rachu will not effect the older Pokemon with its Zzapp attack, and putting aside that ANY attack or power or game effect from the E-sets (or trainers) that would normaly touch Pokemon Powers will have no effect. However- the fowards Rulling: That Goop Gas Attack (even though it says Pokemon Powers) effects Bodys and Poke-Powers. Why? Well, because in the rullbook it devides Pokemon Powers into two catergorys for easyer referance.... therefor anything that effects Pokemon Powers effects both. But what about those Pokemon Powers that never got "reclassifyed" the older cards can't be reprinted with "corrected" wording saying wether there power is really a Body or not (since Poke-Bodys are always on, you could augrue that your oppenents Mr. Mime can't use his Pokemon Power on turn 1 because your oppenent cant declare its Pokemon Power to be ON) This would of course... create the loop holes that I am talking about.
Do you want conflicting Powers?
No of course not.
Are the older Pokemon Powers better? No, they are now effected by Burn AND Posion, although THOSE status effects were never printed as shuting off those ablitys- but due to backwords rullings as well as Rullbook and Master Rullings (Any rulling made here) changed it. Don't think that it does not matter, that its just 1 or 2 cards. Making it that Pokemon Powers cant be effected because they are not labeled Poke-Power is... just silly.
Its the intent of the card thats at question.
Unless you want to label Muk as having a Pokebody since thats what it should be considered since its always on. Wait- its a Power becuse if he is statused its shut off... But you must declare it or it will never be on. So its a Poke-Power then.
Don't want it that way?
Open the can of worms then.
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I almost beat the record in Hold Down hip hop. I got 2000 or so in Kinglers day. I got 7 in Rapadash's dash. Butterfree's Flower Power 4700. 123 In Jumping Dodoro. My all foil deck is finished.
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Orange Soda
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posted May 14, 2003 12:51 PM
You're overcomplicating it.
You're not supposed to classify the older Pokemon Powers. They're just Pokemon Powers.
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BJJ763
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posted May 14, 2003 12:59 PM
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But you must declare it or it will never be on.
Um no. You do not declare continual Pokémon Powers, they are always on. Muk is always on. Mr. Mime is always on. Unless effected by a Special Condition, Goop Gas, Magby's Sputter, and/or Fossil Muk of course. So no loop hole.
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Prime
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posted May 14, 2003 04:05 PM
If they say poke-power, treat it like a poke-power. If it says poke-body, treat it like a poke-body. If it says pokemon power, treat it like a pokemon power. How hard is that to do?
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DOMCGI
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posted May 15, 2003 10:18 AM
People should realize one thing:
The legal (or say support) format of the future tournament.
After Nintendo take over the Pokemom TCG, the deck format in sanction tournament may only be E card and after. Including LC or not is questionable.
If I remember correctly, the format in Japan is already E-Card and after.
So Nintendo probably will not clarify any card older then E-card.
With less than 4 month before August 31, WOTC probably will not do any major change in the rule.
From now to Sept 1, we could expect a very messy ruling.
[ May 15, 2003, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: DOMCGI ]
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ShadowCard
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posted May 15, 2003 01:04 PM
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People should realize one thing:
The legal (or say support) format of the future tournament.
After Nintendo take over the Pokemom TCG, the deck format in sanction tournament may only be E card and after. Including LC or not is questionable
The tourney format doesn't matter. Odds are this will come up in a league. I would like to know an official answer (i'm one of those rules people). Master professors/modds? any thoughts?
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WizPog_Chrisbo
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posted May 15, 2003 05:37 PM
This just in... quote:
== DARK GAZE (Umbreon - Skyridge Expansion)
Q. If I have an active Skyridge Umbreon, does my opponent's benched Muk shut off Dark Gaze, or does Dark Gaze shut off Toxic Gas?
A. Remember the older Pokemon that have Pokemon Powers are NOT broken down into Poke_BODYs or Poke-POWERs. So the Umbreon only prevents "Poke-POWERs"; Muk's "Pokemon Power" is not affected. (May 15, 2003 WotC Chat, Q1598)
Q. So just to confirm, Umbreon's "Dark Gaze" only prevents those labeled as "Poke-POWER". Older style "Pokemon Power" and "Poke-BODY" are not affected, right?
A. Correct. (May 15, 2003 WotC Chat, Q1604)
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Porygone3
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posted May 15, 2003 08:59 PM
I'll find the loop hole and exploite it I promice.
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Erica total 24, thats right, 24.
Dunsprace total 41.
I've gotten 98 on that Machoke at work game. I beat Driving Corasola.
I almost beat the record in Hold Down hip hop. I got 2000 or so in Kinglers day. I got 7 in Rapadash's dash. Butterfree's Flower Power 4700. 123 In Jumping Dodoro. My all foil deck is finished.
"I've got floating engery."
"I've got counter productive Powers."
"One heart can make a diferance."
"Rock the world baby, rock the world."
"Roll out!!"
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qmech99
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posted May 16, 2003 09:56 AM
If it's in the Compendium then it's official.
There is no loophole!
I really can't see what's quite so hard about this...
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