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Where's My Phione (and others)?

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The problem I have with the delay of some very good cards, International Nationals.
Most of them will be around the release of the next set and therefor possibly not allowed to be used.
If this happens (which seems very likely) we will have to play our Nationals AGAIN in a very different format as Worlds.
This is something I don't like at all. Qualifying for the largest tournament of the season should be done in the same format Worldwide.
 
Prime said:
What decks run Absol and Wager? Magmortar doesn't. Many G&G builds don't. Most Blissey builds don't. The only decks that run Absol and have done well is G&G and a little Honchkrow. But for the majority of decks that did well at cities, they didn't run Absol and I would guess that many if not most did not run Wager. Maybe a few ran a single tech.
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Most G&G decks run Absol. Many Blissey decks also do.

Here is an analysis of the City winners that just ended:

http://thetopcut.com/articles/d013108.html

It used data collected from the Gym's CC forum.

Note that G&G is not getting less popular as the CCs go on, it is becoming more popular and more influencing.

You can say that it is your opinon that Absol is not played, but the facts stand on their own.


[side note to TopCut guys: see, this is how it is done. Make it relevant to the discussion at hand]
 
Many Blissey builds are not playable as long as G&G is in the format. Because of that, the ones I see doing well don't run Absol and wager. Magmortar, which I think we'd all agree with the second most popular deck at Cities doesn't run Absol. I know about Magsol, but it is not even in the same league as Magmortar/Typhlosion when it comes to popularity (and ability imho). There were many people that tried to run Absol with other Pokemon, but many of those decks didn't win tournaments and do well enough to even be considered a threat.

Many G&G players prefer Furret over Absol because it makes the deck more consistent. IMHO, I would run Furret over Absol for that reason as you want to run the most consistent deck, not the deck that can sometimes hurt your opponent's hand.

I honestly don't see what is so good about Claydol. Not every deck can fit it into it, and not every deck is going to be able to abuse it consistently. I stand by my opinion that on average, a player will be drawing 0-2 cards from Claydol. And to take up a 2-2 line in a deck to just draw 2 extra cards every now and then isn't worth it imho. I'd much rather play Porygon2 and reuse supporters or Gardevior (in stage 2 decks) and reuse my opponent's stadiums.

People talk about how it is going to be a counter to Absol, and I don't think that Absol is that big of a threat to even need a counter. And like I mentioned before, Cessation Crystal on Absol makes Claydol stupid even though I realize that some decks that run Absol can't afford to run Cessation Crystal.

This is the point I am trying to get across. Absol doesn't win you games. It's been Gardevior and Gallade that has been winning the games for G&G. Absol might deplete the opponent's hand, but without Gardevior's ability to spam supporters and Gallade's ability to deal massive damage quickly, G&G wouldn't have won that many games.

I can understand that Claydol can be decent, but I can't understand why people feel it is important to continually state how Claydol will be the end of Absol. Absol wasn't played by every deck, and it didn't win the game for the decks that played it.

And for the record, I NEVER said Absol was not played.
 
Claydol doesn't even completely stop Absol. Sure you can get your hand size back but by that time crucial cards may well be gone for good. Claydol's just insanely good in its own right, regardless of Absol.

Play what you need, get rid of what you don't and get a big hand back EVERY turn? On a Stage 1? How can that not be good?
 
Absol was declining as it was, that is true. The point we are trying to make is Claydol, Pachirisu, Porygon 2, Volbeat/Illumise, etc all THROW DIRT ON ITS GRAVE. It's finished. Claydol is an AMAZING card on its OWN, regardless if Absol is played. It just HAPPENS to be good vs it. Is Claydol going to be in EVERY deck? NO! Are there decks that it is AMAZING in? YES, there are. Some decks don't run enough Supporters to run Porygon 2 and make it effective, some can't afford to discard energy for Delcatty. Claydol has a SIMPLE requirement that MOST of the time actually HELPS you improve your odds of what you want to draw. 2 cards from a POWER that has ZERO drawbacks PER TURN IS GOOD!
 
do you have to put any cards on the bottom of your deck to draw?
cause it says you MAY choose to put UP TO 2 cards...
i know theres the whole no delicatty no discard without drawing at least one rule, but im not sure if this applys.
maybe i should have asked this in 'ask the masters'.
 
Even if someone has an Absol with a Cessation, Baltoy does Psychic Balance so you'll draw cards anyway.

Absol is dead and gone as far as I'm concerned. Claydol and P-2 with Volbeat/Illumise wreck it.
 
well I would not say the card is dead. It is really hard to truley kill a card. The metagame can heavily tech against it, but so long as the card is useable in a deck it's not dead. Absol will defienlty be very limited but for example in G&G I think it is capable of still working.
 
master of puppets said:
do you have to put any cards on the bottom of your deck to draw?
cause it says you MAY choose to put UP TO 2 cards...
i know theres the whole no delicatty no discard without drawing at least one rule, but im not sure if this applys.
maybe i should have asked this in 'ask the masters'.
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note the "if you do"
 
So if you had say a 4 card hand, you couldn't just bump it up to 6 w/o dropping at least 1?

I.e. Couldn't the "if you do" just refer to activating the power?
 
Once during your turn (before your attack), you may choose up to 2 cards from your hand and put them on the bottom of your deck in any order. If you do, draw cards until you have 6 cards in your hand. This power can't be used if Claydol is affected by a Special Condition.
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The "if you do" obviously refers to the action of putting cards on the bottom of your deck.
 
Yes, it seems that playing a card or activating a poke-power is not considered an action, but using the effect of a card or of a poke-power is considered an action. So in Felicity's Drawing, which is worded almost exactly like Claydol, you wouldn't be able to just draw from your deck, because the supporter requires the action of discarding a card before you can use the other effect. Same goes to Claydol, you can't just draw from your deck. Because it requires an action, you have to put at least one card on the bottom of your deck.
 
I can't see why. Even if your opponent does plenty of bad things to you and you have zero cards in hand at the end of his turn ... you still get to draw one at the start of yours. You will have that one card to put back and draw 6.
 
You can. You do as much as you can. So you can put 1 or 2 cards on the bottom of your deck, and then draw cards until your hand is 6, but because your hand is already 6 or more, you don't draw any cards.
 
vanderbilt_grad said:
I can't see why. Even if your opponent does plenty of bad things to you and you have zero cards in hand at the end of his turn ... you still get to draw one at the start of yours. You will have that one card to put back and draw 6.
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And when you have 0 cards in your hand, and topdeck a card you need to win the game (candy, night maintenance, ect.), you will be very sad. I had that happen before, when I didn't think you needed to put a card on the bottom. Now I'm sad....
 
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