regi sleeves need an answer
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DragonairMaster8
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Well the problem i have is that i don't have much money to spend on cards, so alot of the cards I buy are japanese since I can generally find them cheaper. And i potentially could play an entire japanese deck coming up this season, as i have at least 50ish of the cards in japanese, and around 30ish of those i don't have english cards of so i couldn't play teh deck in english if i wanted.
So I could get penalized if I decide to just play an all japanese deck since i don't have most of the cards in english anyway? I understand the point of it possibly being distracting, but alot of people know what the cards do anyway, and if they have a problem it takes less than 5 seconds to get to the translation for any card as i have the card-dex organized in a binder. And if my opponent were to ask for a time extension to compensate for the lost time of translations, I wouldn't argue it as I never like to win on time anyway.
So i guess my point is if I decide to just finish out my deck so that it's all japanese, I could get penalized just because the head judge says I could gain some kind of advantage out of it (and what would that be) and because I can't afford a fully english deck? This doesn't seem right IMHO. I understand both views, and i'm not trying to argue, but i'm just discussing.
OT: The Regi sleeves are of very high quality. I'm loving them, and trying to trade for as many as I can because i saw them yesterday and they are NICE.
So I could get penalized if I decide to just play an all japanese deck since i don't have most of the cards in english anyway? I understand the point of it possibly being distracting, but alot of people know what the cards do anyway, and if they have a problem it takes less than 5 seconds to get to the translation for any card as i have the card-dex organized in a binder. And if my opponent were to ask for a time extension to compensate for the lost time of translations, I wouldn't argue it as I never like to win on time anyway.
So i guess my point is if I decide to just finish out my deck so that it's all japanese, I could get penalized just because the head judge says I could gain some kind of advantage out of it (and what would that be) and because I can't afford a fully english deck? This doesn't seem right IMHO. I understand both views, and i'm not trying to argue, but i'm just discussing.
OT: The Regi sleeves are of very high quality. I'm loving them, and trying to trade for as many as I can because i saw them yesterday and they are NICE.
The King Of Magikarps
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I really don't like the design of the sleeves. IMO the sleeve design of the older ones were better.
^James: That is part of the issue. Judges shouldn't HAVE to give time extentions to finish games where time is WASTED looking up EXTENSIVE numbers of outside refs! The turnaround on rounds at larger tourneys is already about an hr/rd. Do we really need MORE hassles as judges? I, along with most judges, can live with some japanese cards. The issue really comes down to why does a player do this? I certainly understand the cost benefit of japanese boxes, but you do have some english cards and can at least use SOME of them! Heck, trade for some of them, if needed. Buy american singles! There are ways to build decks on a budget!
Also, there are MANY players out there that THINK they know what a card does and WONT ask for a card dex or ref card. Then, IF the oppo has mislead them and played the card wrong....OOPS. And, if the judge isnt called over to verify onthe spot and the game is now over....we cannot go and fix that. I know a friend of mine and a SUPER player (World class caliber) took his oppo's word on a card and its power/atk and never questioned it until he asked me after the rd (he lost btw). I told him the card was played completely wrong and I went to talk to said player. After I explained the PROPER way to play the card, the player went 0-5 for the rest of the day. This was States level play. To go 2-0 playing a card wrong to 0-5 after being told the "correct way" tells me there was a problem in the 1st 2 rds. No one called a judge over. I was HJ for the day btw.
So, to say that people have NO problems w/ outside refs, etc... I know better as a long time Judge. Too many times I hear about stuff after a round/tourney that IF brought to the Judges' attention DURING the game, would have changed things GREATLY!
Keith
Also, there are MANY players out there that THINK they know what a card does and WONT ask for a card dex or ref card. Then, IF the oppo has mislead them and played the card wrong....OOPS. And, if the judge isnt called over to verify onthe spot and the game is now over....we cannot go and fix that. I know a friend of mine and a SUPER player (World class caliber) took his oppo's word on a card and its power/atk and never questioned it until he asked me after the rd (he lost btw). I told him the card was played completely wrong and I went to talk to said player. After I explained the PROPER way to play the card, the player went 0-5 for the rest of the day. This was States level play. To go 2-0 playing a card wrong to 0-5 after being told the "correct way" tells me there was a problem in the 1st 2 rds. No one called a judge over. I was HJ for the day btw.
So, to say that people have NO problems w/ outside refs, etc... I know better as a long time Judge. Too many times I hear about stuff after a round/tourney that IF brought to the Judges' attention DURING the game, would have changed things GREATLY!
Keith
The_Lurb
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A (unpleasant) theory about pre-release sleeves
Legends Awakened has finally given the pre-release sleeves we've been begging for since the Lucario sleeves which is wonderful! But today I was thinking and both of these quality sleeves came out at the beginning of new seasons, so I was then considering that we may only be getting the quality sleeves at each new season. This could just be a coincedence but I think not.
Legends Awakened has finally given the pre-release sleeves we've been begging for since the Lucario sleeves which is wonderful! But today I was thinking and both of these quality sleeves came out at the beginning of new seasons, so I was then considering that we may only be getting the quality sleeves at each new season. This could just be a coincedence but I think not.
ToysRUsKid
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I Disagree about time being not an issue with an all japanese deck, I used a 3 card off Jpn Metanite last year at CA States ( I didn't have Latias, 3rd Metagross and some trainer in japanese) My 1st Round game I almost lost because the guy didn't have any idea what any of the cards did (Including the Holon Engine). That really put me off on the Entire JPN Deck idea I been liking, though it DOES look really nice 
However, I used RG entirely japanese at Nationals this year and didn't encounter any problem, I put all my translations in a 4 Card Mini-Binder and didn't have any issues with time, people did go through the binder but didn't have any problems that I was aware of.
However, I used RG entirely japanese at Nationals this year and didn't encounter any problem, I put all my translations in a 4 Card Mini-Binder and didn't have any issues with time, people did go through the binder but didn't have any problems that I was aware of.
yoyofsho16
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Wait, do you need to pull out your card-dex EVERYTIME you do something?
I would doubt it, considering after you declare English card effects, you don't usually have to read the card word for word, as most players know what all of the cards do. I doubt many people would refer to the reference unless there was a ruling problem.
And even then, as long as you knew exactly what page it was on, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
I would doubt it, considering after you declare English card effects, you don't usually have to read the card word for word, as most players know what all of the cards do. I doubt many people would refer to the reference unless there was a ruling problem.
And even then, as long as you knew exactly what page it was on, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
ToysRUsKid
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No, you don't need to do that. But on my first couple turns he had to read my entire field (Holon Trans, Holon Mentor, Holon Castform, the Beldums, Dratinis etc..) But that was the cardex, The binder is so much easier/faster.
TRUK: A mini binder helps alot. I heard of yours at Nats from another Judge. I was kinda busy running the JRs.
What many of you seem to be missing though is the "most players know what they do, why do we need the refs" mentality. I guess, as a judge, I've seen/heard too many instances where a player DIDNT know what they did, didnt ASK to see the Ref, TOOK the oppo's WORD and was told WRONG. When a card gets played wrong, either intentionally or accidentalily, the game is majorly affected.
Keith
What many of you seem to be missing though is the "most players know what they do, why do we need the refs" mentality. I guess, as a judge, I've seen/heard too many instances where a player DIDNT know what they did, didnt ASK to see the Ref, TOOK the oppo's WORD and was told WRONG. When a card gets played wrong, either intentionally or accidentalily, the game is majorly affected.
Keith
Skitty
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Well I always have the English translations in order a few inches away from the play area. I can get the correct translation in the same time it would take the opponent to pick up the card from my side of the table. I've been playing an all Japanese deck at all the tornaments I go to for about a year now and I nor any opponent or judge have had any problems. There have never been any ruling problems come up about them either.
EDIT: And if anyone cares, I'm not doing it to get an advantage or even because they look "better". I actualy don't have enough English cards to make a good deck. Since Japanese packs have a foil rare in every pack and an average of 3 Lv.X per box, it's far easier to get a deck from Japanese packs. It would be more expensive to get the deck in English, and I shouldn't have to buy twice as many English packs just to get the same cards.
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ShadowCard
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DarthPika, there are actually a lot of restrictions on what Pokemon can go on things. That is why we used to mostly see the same Pokemon on almost everything: Pikachu and Poliwhirl.
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Seeing that the current regime is friendly towards aligning ourselves with Japan, I don't think they'd look too highly upon a judge that bans Japanese cards.
Now, if you end up in certain parts of the country where Chinese, Spanish, and French are prominent, could you get away with banning English cards there?
Again, someone else that misquotes me! I never said I ban japanese cards. I merely stated that an all japanese deck COULD be disruptive and you could be told to change some of it out! Why should a player have 1 japanese card in the deck WITH an english outside ref? (say Mew *) Just slide the english Mew * in and take the japanese one out. So, what is your reply then?
For the record, the ONLY time I have told a player to switch out any japanese cards was when a player showed up with either a completely japanese deck OR 95 % japanese, with outside ref cards (all in english). I made him switch out ONLY the single cards for english cards. I allowed all the other japanese cards to remain. (btw...that player didnt have a nifty mini binder either, they were all seperate in top loaders or other sleeves)
OT of sleeves.....you are correct that there are limits on what pokemon can be used on items.
Keith
PS I also buy some japanese cards too bc my boys are and were collectors of the cards FIRST and they want a complete set. It is easier to get the Xs from japanese packs than english.
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Do you go to PRs? That is a chance to get english cards at a discount!
Keith
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EeveeLover
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Ok, everyone needs to read this, regarding the use of any Foreign cards in decks:
Cards that have been released in Japanese and English, must have the same Artwork, you cannot use Alt Art that is not released on a English card.
I do not think - or read - that LawMan is saying he will ban Foreign cards on a whim, but only is he sees an action in attempt to gain significant advantage, which does follow the rules quoted above.
I have seen many players use Japanese cards in their decks, even though they have the English available. I have asked them about it and the usually say cause they look cooler. I collect Japanese items for that same reason, but I do not play the cards, to me it is just looking for trouble when you do.
To everyone that says the Japanese cards look cooler, just remember, the fronts look the same, except the writing. If the Art is different, there is a good chance it is not legal to play the card anyway.
Tournament Rules said:
Cards that have been released in Japanese and English, must have the same Artwork, you cannot use Alt Art that is not released on a English card.
I do not think - or read - that LawMan is saying he will ban Foreign cards on a whim, but only is he sees an action in attempt to gain significant advantage, which does follow the rules quoted above.
I have seen many players use Japanese cards in their decks, even though they have the English available. I have asked them about it and the usually say cause they look cooler. I collect Japanese items for that same reason, but I do not play the cards, to me it is just looking for trouble when you do.
To everyone that says the Japanese cards look cooler, just remember, the fronts look the same, except the writing. If the Art is different, there is a good chance it is not legal to play the card anyway.
ShadowCard
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Lawman, I am sorry for misquoting you. Telling SkittyOnWailord to "Be prepared to fix this deck if you play in my area!" without a clear reason why ("see above post" doesn't really assist in that) did sound like a pretty strong warning to those who use foreign language cards to beware entering your area.
yoyofsho16
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According to this, all the cards CAN be in Japanese...
ShadowCard
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yoyofsho16, read EeveeLover's quote above my post.
yoyofsho16
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I did read it, and I agree with most of the points stated, however, I think that if someone brought a deck made up of entirely Japanese cards, more than likely, they would be of Japanese descent or something. If not, it would be as much of a disadvantage to the player with the Japanese deck as it would to the other player, considering they would have to look for the translation when asked. I just don't see the huge advantage. Either way, how could Lawman ban it when there is the clause I quoted above?
ShadowCard
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It's all Greek to me, but I have lots of Japanese Legends Awakened cards thanks to a cool PTO :thumb:. I could therefore put together a deck in which a lot of the prominent cards are Japanese.
The disadvantage is when Player B doesn't want to read ALL of Player A's translations and decides to take Player A's word for what the card says since Player A was truthful up to that point, and Player A pounces on the opportunity to twist the text in order to break the game state.
Also, flipping through translations means eating time. Like Lawman said, time extensions should not have to be granted because a player has to take time out to check on the translations of cards involved in a combo.
He's not banning it, he is saying that you could get slapped with a disruption of tournament penalty.
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