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Worlds Judging... questionable conduct?

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Steve there is no way that we could enforce a rule that stated people must stand behind the player that they are affliated with. I am simply suggesting that it is a good idea for everyone to do so. When spectators ensure that their behavior is not suspecious they help the tournament officials run a Fair FUN event for everyone. Trust me some of these situations can be uncomfortable for tourney officials to handle.

Many years ago a high level judge taught me that when judges allow players to gain an unfair advantage we as tournament officials cheat the players who follow the rules. So with that in mind if a judge seems a little hard it is because they take thier role seriously and they CARE. Our pokemon community can make things easier by thinking about what they are doing and how it looks.

This is all I have on this subject. For anyone who finds themselves in the MA area this Saturday come to TJ's for CAKE, we are celebrating!!

Tom Shea
 
I thought the judging was good. I received a warning for slow play in a game I won prizes 0-3, and was told that any further infractions from time would result in a prize penalty.I then took 25 seconds to make a play in another game and received a prize penalty. I wasn't too happy about it, but I knew that my resources surpassed my opponent(I had 3 gardys going to like 1 leafeon +1 chatot +1 damaged shuckle) and that I would win this one, no matter how many prizes she was allowed to take(as long as its not all!) I ended up using this to my advantage as I had a pre-existing scramble in play, which furthered my dominance in the game state.Needless to say, I won this game.

I was warned and then received a penalty as a result later in the tournament, so I did not bring it up with a head judge. I only wish the judge dealing the prize penalty could have put himself in my shoes for a moment and considered how difficult the situation for me in where I could have made a number of plays. Giving the opportunity for my opponent to take a prize was actually bad for my opponent, as its so tempting to take it and they do so without thinking.

The judge really hurt the game state by ever allowing a prize to be taken is what I'm getting at. An additional minute added would have been preferred I think.
 
ColdCoates90 said:
I thought the judging was good. I received a warning for slow play in a game I won prizes 0-3, and was told that any further infractions from time would result in a prize penalty.I then took 25 seconds to make a play in another game and received a prize penalty. I wasn't too happy about it, but I knew that my resources surpassed my opponent(I had 3 gardys going to like 1 leafeon +1 chatot +1 damaged shuckle) and that I would win this one, no matter how many prizes she was allowed to take(as long as its not all!) I ended up using this to my advantage as I had a pre-existing scramble in play, which furthered my dominance in the game state.Needless to say, I won this game.

I was warned and then received a penalty as a result later in the tournament, so I did not bring it up with a head judge. I only wish the judge dealing the prize penalty could have put himself in my shoes for a moment and considered how difficult the situation for me in where I could have made a number of plays. Giving the opportunity for my opponent to take a prize was actually bad for my opponent, as its so tempting to take it and they do so without thinking.

The judge really hurt the game state by ever allowing a prize to be taken is what I'm getting at. An additional minute added would have been preferred I think.
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And you want to know WHY you may be looked at even stronger in the future?? You just admitted to "stalling" to "gain an advantage" by going a prize down. That is intentional and can be considered Unsporting: Severe. Look that up in the rules.....it isnt a PP btw! :nonono: When a Judge prompts you to make a move, do so....dont question why. We all (most judges) had timers there.

Keith
 
ColdCoates90 said:
I thought the judging was good. I received a warning for slow play in a game I won prizes 0-3, and was told that any further infractions from time would result in a prize penalty.I then took 25 seconds to make a play in another game and received a prize penalty. I wasn't too happy about it, but I knew that my resources surpassed my opponent(I had 3 gardys going to like 1 leafeon +1 chatot +1 damaged shuckle) and that I would win this one, no matter how many prizes she was allowed to take(as long as its not all!) I ended up using this to my advantage as I had a pre-existing scramble in play, which furthered my dominance in the game state.Needless to say, I won this game.

I was warned and then received a penalty as a result later in the tournament, so I did not bring it up with a head judge. I only wish the judge dealing the prize penalty could have put himself in my shoes for a moment and considered how difficult the situation for me in where I could have made a number of plays. Giving the opportunity for my opponent to take a prize was actually bad for my opponent, as its so tempting to take it and they do so without thinking.

The judge really hurt the game state by ever allowing a prize to be taken is what I'm getting at. An additional minute added would have been preferred I think.
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In situations like this, it would be nice if there was an alternative to the prize-penalty. But, with Scramble out of the format in September, it might not matter.
 
Lawman said:
And you want to know WHY you may be looked at even stronger in the future?? You just admitted to "stalling" to "gain an advantage" by going a prize down. That is intentional and can be considered Unsporting: Severe. Look that up in the rules.....it isnt a PP btw! :nonono: When a Judge prompts you to make a move, do so....dont question why. We all (most judges) had timers there.

Keith
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I don't see any admission of guilt in his statement. He just stated the facts, which said he was not happy with the ruling, and that it actually helped him even more.

So Keith, unless you really didn't mean to accuse him, this proves my point that some judges are excessively concerned about cheating, for some reason.
 
Well it happened to my friend who did end up making the T32. I told him to tell the head judge aout it, and he said he didnt want to cause trouble...

I guess I still have a few more kinks to work out of him. Personally, if i heard a judge say that, I would of placed my hand down, and ask the judge to repeat what they said, and then I would request the head judge. If what was said was accurate, I would be offended by that comment as a player.

~Duke
 
The judge may have misunderstood the request too. Don't know. Wasn't there. Personally, I don't know of any judge that would make that comment in that context. I'm guessing it was a misunderstanding.
 
SteveP said:
I don't see any admission of guilt in his statement. He just stated the facts, which said he was not happy with the ruling, and that it actually helped him even more.

So Keith, unless you really didn't mean to accuse him, this proves my point that some judges are excessively concerned about cheating, for some reason.
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SteveP: I may have misread how he typed it up. If that is the case, I apologize. (Thats what I get for looking here shortly after working Worlds all week and then flying home earlier today)

'Pop is right though, with the loss of scramble (unless it gets reprinted), the next season will not have it and the PP penalty will have more teeth in it.

Keith
 
Lawman said:
And you want to know WHY you may be looked at even stronger in the future?? You just admitted to "stalling" to "gain an advantage" by going a prize down. That is intentional and can be considered Unsporting: Severe. Look that up in the rules.....it isnt a PP btw! :nonono: When a Judge prompts you to make a move, do so....dont question why. We all (most judges) had timers there.

Keith
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You misread my point- scramble had been on the field at least a turn earlier(probably more). There was no possible way for me to realize that I was about to receive a prize penalty so many turns in advance. When it did occur, yeah, I'm going to use the scramble thats been sitting on the field for a while. Should I not use it and pretend as though it never happened?

Be reasonable, your twisting my words into something that did not happen.

EDIT: Just now reading second page. thanks Steve P, and no problem, lawman.

I do still think this is an issue that needs to be dealt with for similar future card effects.Legends Awakened Regigigas would definitely be an excellent example.
 
Just a quick on the PP, it is an option not an obligaiton. When a PP is presented, the player is given the option to take the prize, not forced to take the prize.

Fish
 
MrMeches said:
Just a quick on the PP, it is an option not an obligaiton. When a PP is presented, the player is given the option to take the prize, not forced to take the prize.

Fish
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Possible alternatives to prize penalty:

1. No prize-take penalty, but the opponent only has to draw five prizes to win instead of six.

2. Draw a prize OR draw 4 cards on your turn.
 
NO 1. is your best opition. Between Gallade and Scramble energy. Half the time you have to deny the prize penlty and your opponent just got a huge advantage.
 
If it were a smaller event and the higher-ups were more available I definitely would've complained. I got treated like trash, and so did many of my friends. I don't exactly talk to Schwimmer (unless it's from inside a revolving glass door) or anyone else- nor do I know about the procedure to complain about how someone treated me. I didn't want to bother anyone who had more important things to do, basically.

Out of dozens of people standing up I was the only person asked to sit down.

In another situation, a judge came over to me, where I was about 10 feet from one of my friends, watching the table from the center- unable to see anyone's hands- just the game state. I was completely silent, and the judge went out of his way to ask me if I knew one of the competitors. I pointed him out, and he told me to move further away or I would be asked to leave. It's kind of absurd. Who walks over to a silent spectator unable to see any hands and does that?

I saw a lot of outright rudeness coming from some of the redshirts. Extremely disappointed this year.
 
Ryan, I'm going to have to go the opposite end of the spectrum. I watched quite a few matches of my friends and wasn't told to move once. I had quite a positive experience with the staff members.

I didn't witness the rudeness from any staff member. I saw many people ask very courteously for other to sit down or move out of the play area... but never anything that didn't include a "Please."
 
I had very few problems with the Judging staff for the most apart I thought they were great. But I do wish they were more consistent. I was asked to leave the play area several times, so I wasn't "scouting" (which I was totally cool with) Yet every time there were other competitior all around watching games and nothing was said to them.
 
Jaeger said:
I had very few problems with the Judging staff for the most apart I thought they were great. But I do wish they were more consistent. I was asked to leave the play area several times, so I wasn't "scouting" (which I was totally cool with) Yet every time there were other competitior all around watching games and nothing was said to them.
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It's hard to swallow being told to sit down because you're "intimidating people" by standing up. I'm 5'10''- nothing intimidating. And it was t16, so there was at least a whole table gap between me and a competitor- AND I was only able to see my friend's hand. Yet I was asked to sit down while people to the left and right of me, also standing up, had nothing done to them. Such a BS reason to. Intimidating competitors 10 feet away who said not a single WORD to a judge? Riiiiight.

What about asking people to leave the area because they speak the same language as a competitor- that a judge doesn't speak? English speakers are okay-but if you slip into spanish or french and are watching a match you better watch out! Doesn't matter if the competitor can't possibly hear you or not.
 
ryanvergel said:
If it were a smaller event and the higher-ups were more available I definitely would've complained. I got treated like trash, and so did many of my friends. I don't exactly talk to Schwimmer (unless it's from inside a revolving glass door) or anyone else- nor do I know about the procedure to complain about how someone treated me. I didn't want to bother anyone who had more important things to do, basically.

Out of dozens of people standing up I was the only person asked to sit down.

In another situation, a judge came over to me, where I was about 10 feet from one of my friends, watching the table from the center- unable to see anyone's hands- just the game state. I was completely silent, and the judge went out of his way to ask me if I knew one of the competitors. I pointed him out, and he told me to move further away or I would be asked to leave. It's kind of absurd. Who walks over to a silent spectator unable to see any hands and does that?

I saw a lot of outright rudeness coming from some of the redshirts. Extremely disappointed this year.
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There is NOTHING more important than providing a positive, exciting, and fair tournament to all players, parents and spectators, from our standpoint.

I received nothing but comments of praise about our judge, translator, and volunteer staff this weekend on site.

I made myself available to ANYONE who had a comment or concern and wanted to speak with me. Mike and Pete did the same.

Don't let yourself get so far past the time in which the issue you experienced happened, that you can do nothing but get more negative about it. Take care of it immediately, and even if you don't get the answer you're hoping for at the time, you'll feel better that you spoke with someone about it, and at least got thier point of view on the matter.

Thanks,
Dave
 
I think the truth is that people are more prone to complain than rejoice. There were countless great things coming from the judges at Worlds, but I did hear of some complaints. I directed one person to email PUI directly after the event. I know some people that had problems just felt too scared to ask for any further help, and they weren't all kids too, some were adults.
 
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