FlyDon: A Sand Storm Production

[prodigal_fanboy]

I still don't see why you would want to run Hippowdon with Flygon when there are so many better options.

 

[calisupra2nr]

I got my post deleted and an infraction on top of that. WOW, what has the gym come to???



I have someone who agrees with me, and with all the other "negative" post this deck has received I can say the ralts isn't the only one who agrees with me.

So I misunderstood what the Hippo Lv. X does. Why? Because I saw it's a once a game Power meaning if it ever does get out it will be Power Sprayed against SP decks. Against anything else it's only really getting rid of Stadiums, maybe Unown G. Unown G don't really hurt this deck so big deal there. Stadiums you would actually rather have your opponent keep in play for Flygon to take advantage of. Bad combo # 5, and the worst of them all.

I saw my buddy running this at a BR. He did pretty bad with it. We are in one of the toughest Metagames in the World, so if it isn't good here it isn't good enough to be played at Nats. Which is all BRs really are. Playtesting grounds for Nats.

I said Duskgar was bad, so you may have misunderstood me there. But they actually had a little better chemistry together. This is just a bad combo all together.

To mods, that's why not that many elite players come on the gym all that often. You have noobs hyping up decks that suck, and then Mods like yourself defending those noobs when a good post is made. Now here is a reason to delete my post and give me an infraction. But since you guys owe me one, I'm looking forward to this post staying. Thanks and have a nice day:thumb:.

No..he understood you. He thought duskgar was actually good. =\

All your other points are completely correct though.

calisupra2nr: If you don't want so much negativity in your threads, you really need to stop making your posts sound as if your better then everyone else, or this deck is better then everything else. (You claim that you know it isn't the best deck, but your matchups say otherwise) >.>

I still don't see why you would want to run Hippowdon with Flygon when there are so many better options.

Guys, I really could care less about players that have 0 constructive advice to give...Cmon you do not see me going through your decks and doing this crap. The combo works, I just got back from BR Sunday and went 4-1 and barely missed top cut. It actually plays very well and another person took first in a BR with it. Is this the deck to take home a nationals or worlds trophy, no. It was never hyped to be that, but instead was hyped by myself as a creative alternative that actually functions and does WELL. You can argue the combination all you want, but at this point telling me the combo is bad is just false. You have no experience against it, you have no experience with it, so please go somewhere else. I am tired of having this conversation with people who just can NOT comprehend much of anything which is why the gym does not attract competitive players.

Oh and about Duskgar, I believe it took home 2nd in Cali states or regionals (do not remember) and also did well at spring BRs...BDIF? No...but you clearly have no idea what your talking about being a senior player, talking masters metagame.

I really am done with having these conversations and since the gym seems to have more controversy than ability to aid, I do not mind if this is locked down. I have received help from top players outside the gym and have found this to be nothing short of being useless. So please, if do not reply unless you have ideas/advice because I do not want this thread having 100+replies that are trash when there are other decks that need aid (hopefully from elsewhere).

 

[icemelter1001]

Can't take the heat!

Many people have suggested a lot of other options. Have you tried any of them to see if they are better or are you just disregarding them and sticking to your guns about Hippowdown?

 

[NightmareScream]

The card itself sucks, not the deck. U shouldnt be playing this unless u do it for fun, which i dont think its the case here, since u have made some really rude comments to people just trying to help you.

 

[calisupra2nr]

Can't take the heat!

Many people have suggested a lot of other options. Have you tried any of them to see if they are better or are you just disregarding them and sticking to your guns about Hippowdown?

I actually have tried almost every option, from weavile, mewtwo, manectric, blissey, palkia, and machamp, and I just like this one the most. Manectric is pretty good, but that seems to be the overwhelming use, so I just choose what I consider the next best thing.

The card itself sucks, not the deck. U shouldnt be playing this unless u do it for fun, which i dont think its the case here, since u have made some really rude comments to people just trying to help you.

What card sucks? What are you talking about? I can only assume you are talking about Hippowdon, which does not "suck". How should I not play this deck competitively? Where does your information come from? Oh and rude comments to people just trying to help me... do not make people out to be victims of my assault lol. If anything, I have been pretty open to CONSTRUCTIVE advice, not, "This deck has no synergy, you should consider running Weavile SW to shadow charge your energy since this deck takes too much energy and is too slow to be good." Maybe due to this communities age, a lesson should be had on how critique a piece of work, because when I was in high school, those kind of remarks would earn you a straight F for peer review.
Good Day to you.

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I suggest a waevile in this deck because flygon is slow on its own and is an evolved pokemon.

BAD ADVICE^^

wow, there are some angry people in this thread (well, this forum)

anyways, im diggin the build. id reconsider the felicitys tho.

maybe -2 felicitys, + 1 tsd & +1 fighting

Maybe -2 Pokedex and add 1 Regirock LA and add 1 rare candy.

-4 X
+4 Call

Call is BCIF

this looks like a very good deck here's the things that i would suggest though
-1 pokeradar
-2 pokedex

+2 fighting energy(seems like to little energy)
+1 Bebe's search

Hope this helps-Mamoswine42

calisupra2nr, I like your deck, it's pretty cool. My only suggestions would be the following:
1) -1 Stark Mountain, +1 BTS
I understand where you're coming from with running the Starks, but I feel as though the BTS's are much more vital, as it allows you to put stuff back up through night maintenance and rose/bebe's/lux ball etc to keep the flygon onslaught going.
2) -2 Pokedex and -1 Pokeradar, +3 Quick Ball
I see quick ball as very necessary in this deck, because you could use ANY of you're Pokemon, basically at any time in the game. Quick Ball ensures that you get one (obviously).

I hope I've been of some help, and again, good job and the deck and good luck with it!

I think Quickball is a better idea in this deck; less random, and at 21 pokemon (many of which you will have most likely already have searched), you are better off guaranteeing one.

I have demonstrated good critiques that actually are vital to my deck. Some have even turned out to be fantastic edits. I also threw in an example of a poor critique that just tells me to pack up and start from scratch (ie put in weavile).

 

[dragon2pol]

Your match-ups are... off.

Dialga G: Flygon is painfully slow while Dialga sets-up turn three at the latest. Dialga can Power Spray your Claydol/Uxie to make that set-up even longer. Especially with Deafen Lock going. A good Dialga will play Galactic HQ and Skuntank, guess what? This means that Deafen does a total of thirty damage by the time it's their turn again. Even if you could by some miracle draw that Stadium you're not going to be playing it anyway with Deafen Lock going. Dialga G has 100 hp therefore Flygon needs four evolotions to OHKO and Hippowdon won't be OHKOing. Poketurn means you can re-use one Dialga four times and after that Flygon still has to take six prizes. Sand Reset? Power Spray kthnx. A deck that ahs twelve energy and requires three of those to be effective is going to be hurt by Remove Lost. Yes Flygon X ohkos but it's unlikely you'll have that set-up in time anyway with your list. Three Bebe's and Three Felicity's are not going to get you anywhere when you have 21 pokemon and the rest of your cards are stopped by Deafen/Power Spray. Yes Galctic HQ gives you a turn of invincibility but it'll do what 10-20 damage?

Palkia/Dialga G: This is similar to the above but worse for you. You have to choose between being 2hkoed by Remove Lost or getting rid of Palkia to attempt to give yourself a bench. Palkia can also Hydro Shoot your Claydols meaning Power Spray can be saved exclusively for Sand Reset/Uxie.

Palkia G: I loled at this one. Palkia can OHKO Trapinch turn one with Splashing turn. All this requires is Water, Energy Gain and Crobat. To do this you simply need Roseanne in hand with an Energy Gain or Cyrus with Energy Gain/SP Radar. Power Lock destroys any chance you have to set-up, without Claydol and Uxie at all you're going even more of nowhere then with Dialga. There is absolutely no reason for Plakia to level up in this match since Hippowdon has Weakness and Flygon can be 2hkoed after a couple of Pearl Breaths. And if it does feel like leveling up just to be mean it's going to hurt even if it's only for a turn.

Kingdra: Thank goodness you knew this was a bad matchup. Hippowdon will tank for one turn. Maybe. Kingdra is wayyy faster than this and can easily 2hko Flygon or even Flygon X if it's been splashed a couple of times with Dragon Pump.

Tyranitar: I agree with this one.

AMU: I think this one may be ever so slightly in your favor but not as much as your numbers state. AMU also has Power lock which we've established kills Flygon. Sand Reset is virtually useless since AMU is likely to have about one energy in play. Supreme Blast eats Flygon X. Flygon takes three energy while Mesprit takes two and is easily Energy Pickuped or Energy Switched. Plakia means you can just bring up the Flygon before it even levels up since, again, Flygon is slow. Hippowdon takes a bunch of energy to OHKO which means you'll be losing a lot when it gets Supreme Blasted or Zen Bladed (2hko). You don't seriously think AMU is going to play those stadiums against Flygon do you? :-/ And even if they were dumb enough to do that they could just send Palkia up as a temporary wall. And guess what? Zen Blade 2hko's a regular Flygon.

Toolbox: Agreed. Toolbox is bad anyway though.

Gengar: Nidqueen makes this worse for you as it pretty much forces you to activate Feinting Spell and you're likely to lose three energy per heads on that.

GeChamp: Agreed since this is also clunky and has no room for 'Queen.

Machamp: Again agreed.

Blaziken: I never really considered Blaziken a competitive deck but agreed.

BlastCatty: this one is probably in the turtle's favor, barely. It has the ability to ko two Flygon's at once and OHKO the Hippo. It's not commonly ran though so kind fo null and void.

Beedrill: Beedrill plays Warp Point. They think Sand Wall is silly. Beedrill owns Flygon. It is able to OHKO everything excluding Flygon X with ease. It is also wayyy faster.

The last three aren't played anymore (or very rarely) therefore they are not worth discussing. And all mirrors are initially 50/50.

Now for suggestions: Take out a Quick Ball for a Bebe's, another Quick ball for a PokeRadar and the last Quick Ball for another Fighting.

sorry you are the one off my deck is flygon/gliscor & i have not lost a match yet but i did build a copy of this deck dialga is a hard deck to beat it went fifty fifty but kindra has not yet 2 beat me & blastcatty 2 im always set up be for them with both decks adams forplay deck & my forplay deck adam you got all the porps for me & my friends for the flydon deck

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

Really? Ryanvergel telling you to run four Call Energy was bad advice? Really?

 

[chriscobi634]

Really? Ryanvergel telling you to run four Call Energy was bad advice? Really?

that just go to show how this guy doesn't know what he is talking about. I'm done with him after that comment. We'll I was done with the whole deck since I saw it the first time.

Someone else posted how this guy backs up HIS deck a little too much. The reason he won't let it go is because HE came up with the idea and just can't take constructive criticism well at all. That's the reason he asked for the thread to be closed and then changed the name on it. He can't really argue with the good points others and myself have made. All he keeps saying is: " I have you spend playtested 20 hours with the deck?" And "You obviously don't know how this deck runs." Those to me aren't valid arguments. Anyone can say that about any deck to anyone else. I have provided facts from what I have seen and my knowledge of this game of recognizing a bad combo when I see one.

Don't get me wrong I love that he is thinking out side the box. I love doing it all the time, but sometimes you have just move onto the next deck. For CCs I loved my Abomasnow/Dusknoir/Cresselia Lv. X (an idea I believe I came up with) and did very well with it. For states, I was still wanting to play it. But I realized that the Meta-game had changed and I had to change with it. The first states I play Dialga G, and did ok with it. But then realized it's not my kind of deck. So the next States I play Abomasnow/Cresselia, no Dusknoir. So if you really like the Hippo or Flygon just try them out with other stuff. Either one could be really good on there own but together, like I mentioned before they don't really help each other out. If you want some ideas for Hipp, PM me I have some neat ones as I like the new Hippos as well, but haven't gotten around to playtesting with it.

I don't see in his signature any accomplishments he has done. Yet he talks to us like we don't know what we are talking about, and thinks he is hot stuff. Yet I'm the one who gets the infraction, ridiculous. In a way he trolled us but in a "nice" way that's why he probably hasn't received any warnings or this thread hasn't been closed. I don't believe you can just tell others who are even taking the time to see your thread and offer good advice to not post their thoughts simply because they aren't supporting your deck.

GG

 

[calisupra2nr]

Really? Ryanvergel telling you to run four Call Energy was bad advice? Really?

I was pointing to the advice on Weavile, let me do an edit so that the viewer understands the arrow simply applies to the immediately above comment.

that just go to show how this guy doesn't know what he is talking about. I'm done with him after that comment. We'll I was done with the whole deck since I saw it the first time.

Someone else posted how this guy backs up HIS deck a little too much. The reason he won't let it go is because HE came up with the idea and just can't take constructive criticism well at all. That's the reason he asked for the thread to be closed and then changed the name on it. He can't really argue with the good points others and myself have made. All he keeps saying is: " I have you spend playtested 20 hours with the deck?" And "You obviously don't know how this deck runs." Those to me aren't valid arguments. Anyone can say that about any deck to anyone else. I have provided facts from what I have seen and my knowledge of this game of recognizing a bad combo when I see one.

Don't get me wrong I love that he is thinking out side the box. I love doing it all the time, but sometimes you have just move onto the next deck. For CCs I loved my Abomasnow/Dusknoir/Cresselia Lv. X (an idea I believe I came up with) and did very well with it. For states, I was still wanting to play it. But I realized that the Meta-game had changed and I had to change with it. The first states I play Dialga G, and did ok with it. But then realized it's not my kind of deck. So the next States I play Abomasnow/Cresselia, no Dusknoir. So if you really like the Hippo or Flygon just try them out with other stuff. Either one could be really good on there own but together, like I mentioned before they don't really help each other out. If you want some ideas for Hipp, PM me I have some neat ones as I like the new Hippos as well, but haven't gotten around to playtesting with it.

I don't see in his signature any accomplishments he has done. Yet he talks to us like we don't know what we are talking about, and thinks he is hot stuff. Yet I'm the one who gets the infraction, ridiculous. In a way he trolled us but in a "nice" way that's why he probably hasn't received any warnings or this thread hasn't been closed. I don't believe you can just tell others who are even taking the time to see your thread and offer good advice to not post their thoughts simply because they aren't supporting your deck.

GG

Look do not come in here and judge me on my credits, as you have zero substantial qualifications to do so and it just makes you sound like a loser. As for supporting my deck? If you do not support it then how can you make CONSTRUCTIVE advice without being biased and just totally dismantling it for something new? You really need to get an idea on setting certain things aside and going in with an open mind and then commentating if you do support it. There are hundreds of deck builds on here that people do not SUPPORT. Do you see other threads like this completely spammed with them? NO. It is because most people would not defend there deck, well I have too much time put into this to let someone like you (with zero knowledge of the deck) dismantle it. Do I sound a little arrogant when discussing this deck with people that can not grasp the concept? Obviously... Why would I waste my time explaining my deck 1000x when I have 10 more people give blank statements saying the combo isn't good. Time and time again, I will simply say, you provide the facts (although you do not) and I will follow your lead. Instead you barge into my thread, posting empty statements that fuel more controversy. When you refer to others doing the same as you (ie making good constructive crit.) you are simply not. I am not sure where you learned how to advise, but take a look at the examples I laid out for you and stick with the basics. If I wanted your biased opinion on the metagame and if you like my combo I would have bluntly asked for it. If you wish to continue discussing your opinion send me a pm or email me. Otherwise please just stop posting and let me and ralis or whomever get back to talking about the ACTUAL DECK BUILD.

Oh and I meant the advice to just drop the deck and run Weavile which is why I bolded it with ^^ pointing to it. The advice from Ryan was good and the deck follows the advice, running 4...

 

[evil psyduck]

This is the one and only warning this thread gets. STOP the arguing now. People are allowed to give their advice but it doesn't mean the person has to agree with it or take it. Keep it do deck advice or this thread will be locked.

 

[ULQUI2]

Love The Deck Works Very Well For Me

 

[chriscobi634]

Ok, I'm done arguing with you/wasting my time. If you really want to make the deck work better here are my suggestions.

-1 Night Maintenance
With 3 Flygons to attack with initially, and 2 Hippos a total of 5 attackers, you shouldn't have to use 2 Night Maintenance. 1 is more then enough. As 6 attackers means you have already lost the game.

-either Quick Ball or Poke Radar. You don't want both as using both would ruin the consistency of the other. I once had 24 Pokemon and still didn't use Poke Radar. I've never really been a fan of that card.

+1 Bebe's Search
It's so crucial getting that Claydol out. Every decklist that runs Claydol should run 4 Bebe's. I can see why you would run 3, because of Quick Ball and Poke Radar. But Bebe's 100% guarantees your Claydol.

+ 2 Upper Energy
Upper Energy was pretty much made for Flygon. Hippo is another good user of it.

Good Luck

 

[ULQUI2]

2 Night maintanence works fine if you need energys or just running low on deck late game so i think 2 nm are fine with the i played.could change on preference

agree with quick ball thing i choose quick ball for me

bebe's a definataly

i play 1 upper energy helps but 2 just doesnt run well with me

 

[Infernape Master]

You forgot about Mother Gengar. Nidoqueen will get rid of SW Flygon's ablity or contor it makeing the match up for Gengar even harder

 

[calisupra2nr]

2 Night maintanence works fine if you need energys or just running low on deck late game so i think 2 nm are fine with the i played.could change on preference

agree with quick ball thing i choose quick ball for me

bebe's a definataly

i play 1 upper energy helps but 2 just doesnt run well with me

I ran 2 Upper energy and I just hated having them in my hand when I rarely needed them. Late game is a different story. I will try running 1. If I decide to run another Bebe's I will drop 2 Pokeradar and add 1 Upper and 1 Bebes.

You forgot about Mother Gengar. Nidoqueen will get rid of SW Flygon's ablity or contor it makeing the match up for Gengar even harder

This is very true. Gengar is just a bad matchup no matter what and even more so now. I did stick in 1 devoluter for a quickball and it has worked ok as long as they are not G'd. At BR I played a Gengar/Queen deck and I won simply because of a good starting hand. That is where my ability to win against gengar stops lol.

 

[ralis]

I played this deck at a BR and made top 2 cut. losing to dialga with ditto tech. and btw, ditto tech in opponets deck = free kill/kills for dem... its mean

 

[calisupra2nr]

I played this deck at a BR and made top 2 cut. losing to dialga with ditto tech. and btw, ditto tech in opponets deck = free kill/kills for dem... its mean

Just do not level up and use hippowdon to knock out ditto easily...anti-flygon techs are where this deck shines. Everytime I see a ditto with energy going to it, I just retreat out flygon and send up Hippo, and you should also.

 

[Hamking88]

I made my own version of this deck and it's very good. My only problem is sometimes I have a bad start and the opponent dosent so by the time I get set up, I'm already behind and I lose. If I get a good start I can have a t1 or t2 flygon with a hippo and another flygon in the bench and almost allways win unless I'm playing a speedril or mother gengar deck. Sand reset works wonders if ur behind and so far I've made top 4 in br. I only stopped playing this deck cause I was tired of losing to speedrill and gengar, even though I beat one by sure luck, but I'm going to rebuilt it cause I like it that much at play it at league

 

[Garchomp#140]

Add 1 or 2 Ditto LA for mirror matches.

 

[Shino Bug Master]

^Seriously uneeded. Ditto is weak to SW Gon, and all they have to do is power swing then warp to get a free prize. Mirrior matches is all about skill and set-up. this deck shouldn't have an issue if the player is good. solid looking list, though i personally just don't like the deck :/