The reason was in a Worlds Match a few years ago one player showing Rocked Admin(not playing it), and saying something like "Do you know what this card does?", and coaxing the other player into shuffling their hand into their deck, and the coaxed player getting a game loss because of it. I wasn't there, but that is how I understood it. EVERYONE thought that was a blantant cheap manuever and violated SOTG, and probably could have been ruled differently by judges.
Isn't this the reason this rule was made.
This is so much more severe than "bluffing." And which division was this done in?
Were the players really young? I would almost want to blame this partially on the player that got coaxed
for automatically following through the effect of the supporter when the opponent was in the middle of
asking him a question about the card. That's borderline being naive. If it were me, I would have calmly
(giving the benefit of the doubt because this is a great Pokemon community) helped him out. And read
the card text with him explaining how the card works. Of course, if he's winning in prizes, and I know time
is running low, I would suspect a stall and probably call a judge. Either way, I would not have followed
through with the effect of the supporter before asking, "So... are you playing this card? or just asking me
a question about it?" If this was in a younger division, I can understand if a kid was easily tricked by this
manuever though.
If someone states their claydol is prized in an effort to bait a power spray, that person is not directly influencing the action of their opponent like the Admin incident. Comments made by a player on the state of their own "private deck" are not directly affecting an action. Playing an uxie really fast to beat a spray or taking an action in an attempt to gather information i.e. laying down a looker to elicit a response and then saying you never took your hand off the card. These are what I feel are the type of dishonest actions that ruin the game, not playing verbally mind games. Many of the legends of the game introduced me to this kind of mental distraction early on hoping to hedge their bets in a tight situation..... I don't see the harm there really.....
Agreed. Revealing cards to your opponent is quite different from bluffing. It should not be allowed.
And should not be grouped together with verbal bluffing.
No-one has a problem with that, obviously. In fact, you are only disadvantaging yourself by giving away the fact that you have a Spray. Why would you even need to keep looking at it anyway? Your opponent has to give you the opportunity to play it when they announce using their Power.
The problem comes when you DON'T have a Spray, but try and convince your opponent that you do. That's when the 'dubious action intended to deceive' rule can kick in.
Why? How is this dubious (in this context)?
He's just looking at a card in his hand. This doesn't tell anything. Maybe he's planning his next move
during the opponent's turn (in order to speed up his turn and game). It's up to my opponent to figure out
what I have in my card/deck and vice versa. People playing vs SP decks should never be secured
thinking they don't have Power Sprays in their hand until 4 has been used up.
Why are you staring at a Basic Energy in the first place?
You are trying to deceive your opponent.
That is against the rule that has been quoted several times already.
It's not a matter of opinion. It's right there in the rules . . . you do something like that, you risk a penalty.
I guess you could sit there and make yourself look like an idiot by arguing that you enjoy staring at Basic Energy, but I don't think that will go down too well.
This is hardly deceiving anyone. There are so many other things I can probably debate against, but this
one has to be one of the most innocent action claimed to be "dubious." I don't understand how looking at
a card gives away any sort of info. As it has been stated, the other player is just scaring himself. And it's
up to him to figure out if the opponent has a Power Spray (or ___ card) or not.
If it's a matter of ruling, then I find the ruling flawed. And it is something worth bringing up.
With all these extreme rules, it seems to take out the fun out of the TCG. It makes me not want to participate
in tournament play. Expressions and emotions are part of the game. I can have so much fun at a league
where my opponent's thinking hard which Gengar attack to use, while he looks at me, and I give him this
sly smile that reads, "Go ahead, I dare you to use Poltergeist." In some cases, I just flat out say it, cause
it's funny. And my opponent gets a good laugh, or just gets more nervous. I like how we can talk to each
other without the risk of someone claiming everything is some sort of dubious act just to gain an advantage.
It's true, with the stakes higher (in competitive play), the chances of someone "doing anything it takes to win
(even cheat/perform poor sportsmanship) will increase. So it's quite sad. If I'm not having fun playing this, then
I don't see why play at all.
I personally would never cheat or perform bad sportsmanship, because it ruins the game, and to me, winning
"illegally" is not winning at all. That being said, I feel bluffing is part of this game and a high level tactic, and should
not be grouped together as "dubious" act.
I found the humor in that :lol:
When read in context (after reading ALL of the serious posts before this one)
I, actually, laughted out loud.
Thank you for that :smile:
Of course, we have to qualify it by saying that "your opponent's hand is not public knowledge and it'd be the same thing as asking your opponent to tell you his decklist etc..." and, therefore, cannot be done. :/
Still.. your post was funny. :lol:
I should get a freebie GURU point. lol