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Would you support a banlist?

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I was just discussing this with a few YGO players at a pre-release today, and was wondering what the general Pokemon community though:

Would you be in favor or Pokemon doing away with their yearly rotation, and instead implementing an annual/bi-annual ban/restricted list?

For those who aren't aware, a ban/restricted list basically means that OP would take a look at what cards are winning a lot, and either ban them completely, or restrict the number of copies you can use. So if something were to win every Cities in the U.S., you can bet it would be banned. However, if something won a good number and top cut almost all, you may see a few cards from that deck get restricted to 1 or 2 copies/deck.

What does everybody think? Personally, I'm not sure how I feel. On one hand, the ability to keep cards around forever is nice, but on the other hand a part of me would rather know what I'm going to lose than to have to be upset that cards I bought last month are being banned. Not quite sure.
 
Ugh. The ban list was actually the main reason why I quit yugioh. It would definitely in my opinion dull down our format completely. I also feel that it would ruin consistency in pokemon. The only reason why it works for yugioh it that they dont rely on "starters". Their decks are mainly only engines that get set off with pretty much anything. In pokemon, we need "starter" pokemon such as Spiritomb or Sableye, or our consistency could just be ruined. I feel that rotations are a much better choice than a ban list.
 
@Pokefreak: Oh, I totally forgot to explain that. A rotation is essentially making a number of sets per year illegal. So for instance, right now DP-UL is legal, and starting next season it'll be MD-whatever, meaning that you can no longer use sets that came out before MD, because they've been rotated out.

@amphchu: I don't necessarily think Pokemon relies on starter Pokemon all that much. I guess some of the bigger decks do, but a lot don't. Plus, I doubt that starters would be hit by the ban list all that much, seeing as how they're not main pieces of the decks (typically, at least).

@iDonkedYou: Terrible reasoning. Just because one game does something doesn't mean that a.) its the only game that can do it, b.) any other games will fail trying to do it, c.) other games will become that game by trying to do it, etc. YGO also casts monsters, swings for damage, has a discard pile, etc.
 
To put this simply, Ban list isn't ever going to be on pokemon.

Pokemon has rotation so they can continue to make money, because banning one card out a set, wont make you change your deck completly so they wont get as much money.
 
Rotating sets is far superior to individual cards. It's much easier to keep track of. No matter how balanced the game could get, I would oppose a ban/ restrict list, as I believe that is one of the biggest faults in both Magic and Yu-gi-oh.
 
Also if your new to the game Rotations are easier to understand than banlist.

and you could also get playable cards at most stores, since they sell newer ones.
 
I don't support a banlist for many reasons.

But the most important one is avoiding the horror of seeing 20 new 'they need to ban [insert card here]' threads whenever I log on to the Gym.
 
I could see them possibly banning Luxray GL if it stays horribly out of hand this season. No card has been this ubiquitous since NG Sneasel.

Other than that... Pokemon's banlist would have to be terrifyingly huge to make it a remotely viable option... and even then, unless they banned about 90% of the Trainers released before Expedition, it would give older players a HUGE advantage over newer players, because even having a few copies of Professor Oak or Computer Search would give you a big advantage since new players can't obtain such old cards anymore.

Other than that, most of the old Pokemon have been basically obsoleted by newer pokemon anyway, so the extent to which old Trainers would require banning would really make the format become largely the same as it is now.

If they DIDN'T ban all the old broken Trainers and just Limited them, it would become a Yugioh like situation where everyone runs 1 oak, 1 comp search, 1 item finder, 1 rocket's trap, 1 etc etc etc. which would be just as horrible and turn the game into whoever draws into their 1 copy of insert overpowered Trainer here first.

Also, the ban/restrict list would have to be so epicly long it would intimidate new players quite badly. :|

It's so much easier to just say "Sets before _____ can't be used". Seriously. It's actually more absurd that Yugioh doesn't do it! It's the only "big" card game that doesn't!
 
I enjoy people complaining about cards.
Cards get released to balance stuff all the time. I like Rotating Sets better.
 
As with most people, the banlist was what turned me off of Yugioh. Everyone with a Luxray X would suddenly have a card drop in value like crazy. Same story for every good card ever. xD

But the reason a banlist wouldn't work in Pokemon as it does in yugioh is because the pool of usable cards is vastly different. 90% of printed uncommons and lower are garbadge set fillers. They don't see play not because they are overshadowed by something unbalanced, but because they don't properly synergize with anything enough for an actual deck to be made out of it. Holos, rares, Lv.X's,, legends and primes even suffer through this with cards like HG Shuckle/Wobbuffet/Hitmontop, Amphy prime, Scizor UD etc etc. Yugioh has strategy that webs through thousands of cards where unexpected players can arise, which is why when something immensly unbalanced arises, they can afford to shut it down to encourage other cards to take the place.
 
IF there was to be a 'ban list', it shouldn't completely ban Luxray GLX. Instead, it should limit the number of LuxyXs to like ,1 in a deck max
 
Tagrineth said:
I could see them possibly banning Luxray GL if it stays horribly out of hand this season. No card has been this ubiquitous since NG Sneasel.
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If you dislike Luxray that much make a deck that counters it by itself.
but then you will lose every other matchup.

Luxray X is a good card but there would be no reason for it to be banned.
 
Skull Hatter said:
sure is wrong opinions in here guys
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Yeah yours. lol people are clueless as to why sps are even good. Its not one part of the particular engine that makes them so good but the combination of all the parts. That and the fact that unlike the holon engine, the cyrus engine is a specific engine that other decks can't use. That's why they're so broken: The engine of these formats isn't universal. That and the pokemon that get to abuse it are all basics that have more than adequate stats and powers.
 
Skull Hatter said:
sure is wrong opinions in here guys
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There's no such thing as a wrong opinion.

On topic, there are A LOT of problems with not doing the set rotation and instead enacting a ban list. Let's look at a few of these reasons:

1. Yu-Gi-Oh has some massively broken cards in it, and thus needs a ban list. For example: Raigeki, which near as I recall was the first card to be limited banned (it's been a while though). It destroyed all monsters on your opponents field, leaving them defenseless and ruining any set-up they may have attempted. Imagine if somebody had 4 in a deck? It'd be the equivalent of something in Pokemon that returned all energy on your opponents side of the field to the bottom of their deck, devolved all their Pokemon, and dealt 50 damage to all their basics. Just not fair, not fun, nobody wants to play that. I honestly think that all the people that say they left Yu-Gi-Oh for the ban list either don't remember those old cards or don't know, because playing the game when everyone ran 4 Dark Hole, 4 Raigeki, 4 Graceful Charity, 4 Harpies Feather Duster, etc. not only completely limited variety, but made playing the game too frustrating for words.

2. Pokemon makes more money by rotating. And if they make more money, it means better events/better prizes/etc.

3. Good cards lose money the instant that they're banned, and that REALLY upsets the consumer base, which (outside of releasing bad sets *glares at Unleashed*) is something Pokemon is extremely good at avoiding. How would you feel if your Luxray G Lv. X dropped in value from $80+ to $0.50 in a single day, and became unplayable. Imagine if you're a card shop and you've invested hundreds of dollars in copies? This also works like dominoes, since card values across the board would change as soon as it was banned.

4. The biggest problem though is that Pokemon has changed drastically in the way it balances cards. Not only do cards get errata to fix issues *glances at Slowking NG* or make sure there are multiple, fairly equal attackers so that the format isn't dominated by a single card *glances at Sneasel NG* Beyond this, as time has gone on, Trainers have become weaker and weaker, and Pokemon have become stronger and stronger. Since old trainers are so difficult to come by for those who haven't been hording them for years, it leads to a massive disadvantage in terms of deck building for new players, and, if there are no new players, Pokemon makes less money, please refer to number 2.

Over all, ban lists are a bad idea. All they would do in Pokemon is cause a change in archetypes and move the Tier list up one space.
 
I agree, the ban list would be so extensive because of all the really random combinations certain older cards have with newer ones that were never meant to be played at the same time.


Also, I hate how older cards only refer to older Pokemon Powers and not PokePowers or PokeBodies, that whole situation is very very confusing, trying to make newer cards backward-compatible with that mechanic.

The ban list would be huge, even to the point where it may be 'Card X cannot be in the same deck with Card Y' in some situations, since a card that isnt so great in terms of thinking of their specific era might be insanely broken when combined with a card that came out ten years prior to it.
 
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