Mid-season rotation, one of the few events so dramatic that it is able to get chuck out from under his rock.
Why Changing Format wont change the fact its still a crapshoot
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Mid-season rotation, one of the few events so dramatic that it is able to get chuck out from under his rock.
Box of Fail
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Do you happen to be blind as well? Don't take the time to post complaining about the lack of a 'like' button without looking for one...
Son_of_Apollo
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There are a couple things i'll miss about the format. Deck building was such an art, look at modern luxchomp lists. Completely teched out, with so many one-ofs and almost everything thought through. You won't be seeing much of that in HGSS-on. Expect a lot of decks like this:
around 10 spots for a main attacker
4 spots for a starter
around 5 spots for a second pokemon line or more consistancy trainers
12 energy
the rest:
- 4 comms will be commonly played
- 4 candy
a lot of copycat, pont, sage, juniper, etc.
And this stuff will WIN. I won't miss donks, but I will miss the skill involved in deckbuilding.
Also, I think mid to late game there will be a lot less skill. If you look at the decks that are expected to be metagame:
-Zekrom
-Emboar Varients
- Serperior
- Steelix
- Jumpluff
-Cincinno
- T-Tar
These decks require no skill. Expect almost all games to be: Player A sets up attacker. Player B sets up attacker. Player A kills Player B's starter. Player B hits Player A's attacker. Then it'll just go back and forth untill someone runs out of resources. There's no skill in that.
around 10 spots for a main attacker
4 spots for a starter
around 5 spots for a second pokemon line or more consistancy trainers
12 energy
the rest:
- 4 comms will be commonly played
- 4 candy
a lot of copycat, pont, sage, juniper, etc.
And this stuff will WIN. I won't miss donks, but I will miss the skill involved in deckbuilding.
Also, I think mid to late game there will be a lot less skill. If you look at the decks that are expected to be metagame:
-Zekrom
-Emboar Varients
- Serperior
- Steelix
- Jumpluff
-Cincinno
- T-Tar
These decks require no skill. Expect almost all games to be: Player A sets up attacker. Player B sets up attacker. Player A kills Player B's starter. Player B hits Player A's attacker. Then it'll just go back and forth untill someone runs out of resources. There's no skill in that.
Rainbowgym
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That is exactly the feeling I had the last 2 years when I had to play against SP decks.
One big difference SP could even deny me my resources so even more skill less.
Son_of_Apollo
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SP can control the game easier. But at least they're doing different things; though you can dragon rush you have to be careful about burning resources, and there are so many different attacking options during every turn. The deck has a lot of options and making the right choice was what seperated the good from the great. There won't be much of that in this new format. Pretty much all you'll be doing is hitting the active with the same 1 or 2 pokemon all game.
Apollo- Clearly you never played in a format without SP. Trust me, there will be plenty of skill in the game. Just go back and look at decks like Blaziken, BLS, Rock Lock, etc etc. There will be plenty of opportunity for both skillful deck building as well as skillful in game play.
Shadow Zangoose
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I love it when people don't have a clue. <3
supertyranitar
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The skill in deckbuilding? Dude, where the hell was the skill in building a deck that could play every counter under the sun while having an engine handed to it? I don't see the skill there.
There's going to be FAR more skill to building decks with this format. IMO, it'll be a night and day difference between these two formats when it comes to that art.
Skill is also going to be much more huge in this format than it was last format. People actually have to think much farther ahead. Plus, they don't have all these different cards to burn through to have complete access to their deck (Uxie/Drawer+ with Junk Arm). With it being a slower format, come backs will be able to happen more often, and you don't HAVE to be up and going by turn 2 like this format has been (or, t1 during MD-BW). A bad hand doesn't automatically shut you out of a chance of actually winning.
HGSS-on or bust. <3
Son_of_Apollo
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I really haven't played that much in a non-SP format, but it just seems like most of the decks in this format will be somewhat fast or bulky attackers who swing at the active. The only alternate strategies i can think of are blastoise and Lostgar. But if you say so, you do have a lot of experience (no sarcasm).
pokesam128
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i very very highly dout that you have 100 or less cards since you got 4th at regonals in 07 and you get a box for that :nonono:
vaporeon
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At Apollo
This was the deck I used at a CC in a GG format and went 3-2
4- Pidgey SW
2- Pidgeotto SW
3- Pidgeot SW
1- Pidgeot d
2- Latios d ex
1- Latias d ex
1- Latias d
1- Rayquaza d ex
1- Holon's Castform
4- PlusPower
4- Pokedex Handy910is
3- Rare Candy
3- Energy Switch
2- Warp Point
2- Night Maintenance
4- Roseanne's Research
3- Bebe's Search
3- Steven's Advice
2- Professor Rowan
4- Fire
4- Water
4- Lightning
1- Holon FF
1- Holon WP
Here's my other deck I went to a CC with and made finals
2 Articuno ex
2 Zapdos ex
2 Moltres ex
1 Rayquaza ex
1 Lugia ex
2 Ho-Oh ex
3 Eevee
2Vaporeon
2 Mr Stone
2 Lady Outing
2 Net Search
2 Copycat
2 Stevens
3 Warp Point
4 Energy Removal 2
3 Pokemon Reversal
3 Super Scoop Up
3 Energy Switch
1 Switch
4 Water
4 Fire
4 Thunder
3 holon mag
Its not hard to make a deck you like and do well with it. I had people telling me my decks would not work and look at what I did. I like it better when people make their own decks but those complaining about losing SP, G Dos and other cards need to learn how to play the game.
This was the deck I used at a CC in a GG format and went 3-2
4- Pidgey SW
2- Pidgeotto SW
3- Pidgeot SW
1- Pidgeot d
2- Latios d ex
1- Latias d ex
1- Latias d
1- Rayquaza d ex
1- Holon's Castform
4- PlusPower
4- Pokedex Handy910is
3- Rare Candy
3- Energy Switch
2- Warp Point
2- Night Maintenance
4- Roseanne's Research
3- Bebe's Search
3- Steven's Advice
2- Professor Rowan
4- Fire
4- Water
4- Lightning
1- Holon FF
1- Holon WP
Here's my other deck I went to a CC with and made finals
2 Articuno ex
2 Zapdos ex
2 Moltres ex
1 Rayquaza ex
1 Lugia ex
2 Ho-Oh ex
3 Eevee
2Vaporeon
2 Mr Stone
2 Lady Outing
2 Net Search
2 Copycat
2 Stevens
3 Warp Point
4 Energy Removal 2
3 Pokemon Reversal
3 Super Scoop Up
3 Energy Switch
1 Switch
4 Water
4 Fire
4 Thunder
3 holon mag
Its not hard to make a deck you like and do well with it. I had people telling me my decks would not work and look at what I did. I like it better when people make their own decks but those complaining about losing SP, G Dos and other cards need to learn how to play the game.
Shadow Zangoose
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Can you guess what isn't legal for play anymore? That box of cards. So it's very possible he has 100 or less cards at this point in time. People tend to sell their older cards when they rotate out.
Porii Sames
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Vaporeon, you don't always get respect for it.
I won a Cities with Beedrill, and I highly doubt you played that deck tweaking it for a year and a half. But I didn't get credit. I got hate.
I won a Cities with Beedrill, and I highly doubt you played that deck tweaking it for a year and a half. But I didn't get credit. I got hate.
I do not know you Proii, and am in no position to say this is what you did for certain, but a lot of the people fixated on "rogue decks" make a big point of dismissing the effort of playing more popular decks as if it is doing something wrong, so of course people are going to be upset. I think it is fairly hard for people on both side of the dynamic to get away from it. The the side so to speak "thrusting" rogue decks in people's faces are probably going to get a backlash from the majority that prefers to conform to proven winners.
Porii Sames
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I'm really tired, so I didn't get ALL of that...
In my opinion, rogue decks are just as hard to play as top decks (coming from a rogue deck player), but harder to invent and make however.
But giving no credit to people that play top decks is just stupid. EVERY winning list I've seen for States and up has had SOMETHING unique in it. Every Luxchomp, every Vilegar, and every Dos.
vaporeon
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The EX bird deck I played for a year and a half years I think. I got a lot of respect from the players at that tournament. In your case, people don't respect people who play donk decks.
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Rogue decks are not hard to play. If you know your list, its pretty easy but hard for your opponent to be. You force them to use all their resources then hit them hard when they run out.
Credit is given to people who net deck but me and some others don't give it. It does not matter what version of Luxchomp you play, it's still Luxchomp. Adding 1 or 2 cards does not mke it rogue. Its Luxchomp with an extra tech. I play rogue. Each of my list can't be related back to a top deck. I play my favorites and make them work or I find what I like and play it. If a pokemon tournament had a rogue player win it, the I'll give major props but hearing Luxchomp won holds no weight.
is that seriously all you took from this thread? pretty sure '07 was 4 years ago, and all the cards/deckboxes/sleeves i owned from that time period were "lost."
Porii to simplify basically I am saying that the problem is the attitude that "only playing a rogue deck is worthwhile". It is one of the top reasons people who play top decks "to be competitive" will be disdainful of people who try to promote their rogue decks. It makes just as little sense to say only a "rogue" deck can matter as it would to say that "only playing a top deck could matter", and it makes the whole issue much more charged than it should be, and helps bring hate on the people promoting their rogue wins.
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