Non-Professor wins Professor Cup!
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hychu-chan
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:lol:
1. what he did was wrong
2. he did confess and i can respect that it takes a man to know what he did was wrong
3. nobody is perfect and i mean nobody
4. everyone is to blame
5. you know i've played this game along time ago when it was fun but now everyone is like wining is more important now your probley thinking hychu you ungreatful member were mad at the fact that he snuk in a Prof. Cup and won which was wrong and he took our prizes so i know what he did was wrong and he is sorry he did it but must we make a big deal over a childrens card game and if your going to hate him for the rest of your lives then you got exactly what you deserve except pokemama she's nice
by the way don't delete my opion i'm just not coming back to this site i'm done
sdrawkcab
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Why exactly should this be unlocked? it's been 13 pages of banter, threats, name calling, and repition. (how many times as mom sarcastically agreed "Oh yes it's defenatly the staffs fault, blame them" to how many different people?)
out of the 270 posts maybe a dozen of them have made some sort of origional point relevent to the situation.
Venting is allowed - zomgoodness!
Calling for action allowed - now!
Bashing, slurs against the rules & infracted - incompetent jerks!
One member making same point ad naseum, not allowed.
Calling for action allowed - now!
Bashing, slurs against the rules & infracted - incompetent jerks!
One member making same point ad naseum, not allowed.
bullados
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Luke, we need to talk.
just ban this guy already and lets get back to talking about why going first rocks, why sableye sucked, and complain more about flipping formats.....
I can't like this post, but If I could, I would.
Sorry son, you're missing the point .....(and wouldn't everyone understand that cheating is wrong as well)
which was just because you don't get caught doesn't mean the blame falls on those who didn't catch it.
And that sentence really sums it up. If you know you're doing something wrong, you are the first to blame. You can discuss anything else you want to about it, but committing an act that you know is cheating, stealing , or anything else against the rules makes you the purpertrator. Therefore you are the most to blame. Without question.
I see a bunch of kids who have never had to take responibility for anything before. How sad little cole.
Free Content is good, I applaud 6P for that. Charging Players for "UNDERGROUND" Services just seems untactful and shady. This is Pokemon, it is not that complicated, I see no reason why it has to be presented as such
Can you see how charging players for content and the reply's on that article can turn players off to 6prizes because it represents the game in such a negative way. Adam bashed himself when he allowed that article to be posted on his site. It would of been one thing if Aydan went on to 6P forums, 'Gym or HT to post his article as an individual, but the fact that it was posted as official content on 6P looks so bad on the Game and 6P.
I never liked 6P because they charge players for content, this entire situation and the way 6P presented this information to the rest of Pokemon community makes me despise this website anymore.
okay, get back on topic please. six prizes charging or not charging for content is NOT the issue here; further posts on this will be deleted as off topic.
let's try explaining the scenario another way for you players who think what dude did was awesome:
you live in a country whose OP is much smaller than that we're lucky enough to have here in the us. fewer leagues, BRs, cities...no states, maybe one or two regionals which are too far for you to attend. you run a small league and promote the game that way, but you only get to play occasionally or online.
but wait! your nationals is going to be in your area, so you can finally attend a big event. you build your deck, playtest and enter; unbeknownst to you, someone from the US on vacation decides it would be fun to reg for a second player ID at the event and plays under an assumed identity, despite the rule that one can only play in the nationals where one resides. this player goes on to win the tournament, beating YOU in top cut, taking the prizes and worlds invite home.
what that player did comes out in the open, after they've attended worlds and sold the prizes from nats. so how are you going to feel? are you still going to be saying 'good job dude, u wer teh best playa, u deserve teh win'?
the professor cup is 'nationals' for professors. many professors don't get the chance to play as much as the 'good' players do; the cup is more of a level playing field, much like the different meta between the US and a smaller country's nationals. so if it's unfair for a player to come in and take another country's nats when they have NO right to play there, why isn't it considered the same when a non-professor crashes the cup?
jmho
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let's try explaining the scenario another way for you players who think what dude did was awesome:
you live in a country whose OP is much smaller than that we're lucky enough to have here in the us. fewer leagues, BRs, cities...no states, maybe one or two regionals which are too far for you to attend. you run a small league and promote the game that way, but you only get to play occasionally or online.
but wait! your nationals is going to be in your area, so you can finally attend a big event. you build your deck, playtest and enter; unbeknownst to you, someone from the US on vacation decides it would be fun to reg for a second player ID at the event and plays under an assumed identity, despite the rule that one can only play in the nationals where one resides. this player goes on to win the tournament, beating YOU in top cut, taking the prizes and worlds invite home.
what that player did comes out in the open, after they've attended worlds and sold the prizes from nats. so how are you going to feel? are you still going to be saying 'good job dude, u wer teh best playa, u deserve teh win'?
the professor cup is 'nationals' for professors. many professors don't get the chance to play as much as the 'good' players do; the cup is more of a level playing field, much like the different meta between the US and a smaller country's nationals. so if it's unfair for a player to come in and take another country's nats when they have NO right to play there, why isn't it considered the same when a non-professor crashes the cup?
jmho
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Do any of you speed? You know the legal limit!
If you have are you glad that you won't get banned from driving for life for speeding once?
Have you ever seen a friend in line, joined them to reduce your wait?
If you have are you glad that you won't get banned from seeing movies or whatever you were in line for, for life?
If anyone out these has never done anything wrong, then you are the only ones justified to say anything.
Did any or have any PP/POP employees ever played in a Professor Cup?
Can they be professors, possibly, but can they earn points? I'm not sure, but I think its against PPs terms of employment, they can't even join a league if I understood Mike L correctly.
Win or loose, they affect the outcome.
Had PP not cut a round from the P Cup, then he may not have won, had he not played, then the entire outcome of the event would be different, some of those in TOP cut might have been different. I'm not sure the P Cup is even a sanctioned tournament.
You can't change what has happened, you can only look forward, make the best of it, learn what has happened, and try to make it better in the future.
Should PP Employees loose their job for playing? I don't think so, they really should be considered honorary Professors! Should he be banned for life, I don't think so, but its not up to me, or you.
I think the post should be closed and deleted, PP should deal with it as they deem necessary, and we should all stay out of it.
If you have are you glad that you won't get banned from driving for life for speeding once?
Have you ever seen a friend in line, joined them to reduce your wait?
If you have are you glad that you won't get banned from seeing movies or whatever you were in line for, for life?
If anyone out these has never done anything wrong, then you are the only ones justified to say anything.
Did any or have any PP/POP employees ever played in a Professor Cup?
Can they be professors, possibly, but can they earn points? I'm not sure, but I think its against PPs terms of employment, they can't even join a league if I understood Mike L correctly.
Win or loose, they affect the outcome.
Had PP not cut a round from the P Cup, then he may not have won, had he not played, then the entire outcome of the event would be different, some of those in TOP cut might have been different. I'm not sure the P Cup is even a sanctioned tournament.
You can't change what has happened, you can only look forward, make the best of it, learn what has happened, and try to make it better in the future.
Should PP Employees loose their job for playing? I don't think so, they really should be considered honorary Professors! Should he be banned for life, I don't think so, but its not up to me, or you.
I think the post should be closed and deleted, PP should deal with it as they deem necessary, and we should all stay out of it.
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If I'm understanding this correctly, Ayden was a League leader, he just didn't take the Professor test. In that case, for all the people saying how the Professor Cup was just for people who have worked all year long helping people and running events, what exactly was Ayden doing? If he was a league leader that means he was still helping people out, he was still spending time teaching new players, he was still using his time to input results and sign scorecards. He still passed out promos and did the same things that all the other people playing in the Cup had done throughout the year. The only thing he didn't do was take a test that would make everything he did official in the eyes of P!P. I know he shouldn't have been allowed to play due to the rules, but he shouldn't be attacked and called names when he's probably done more for the game at leagues than most of the people attacking him.
Also, everyone who is saying that the Professor Cup is this laid back tournament and that they shouldn't have to check people, anytime there are prizes to be given out there should be checks to insure everyone playing is eligible. It doesn't matter if it's the last day and everyone is tired or whatever, the people at the registration booth signed up for this job and should be expected to follow through with what they were assigned to do, volunteer or not. I've only been playing a few months, but already I've heard stories of professors falsifying their involvement in leagues or tournaments and in the last couple days have even heard some rumors that Ayden wasn't the only non-eligible person who entered the Professor Cup. If hiring a couple full/part time people to run the registration booth or front desk is what is required to make everything good, they should do that.
Also, everyone who is saying that the Professor Cup is this laid back tournament and that they shouldn't have to check people, anytime there are prizes to be given out there should be checks to insure everyone playing is eligible. It doesn't matter if it's the last day and everyone is tired or whatever, the people at the registration booth signed up for this job and should be expected to follow through with what they were assigned to do, volunteer or not. I've only been playing a few months, but already I've heard stories of professors falsifying their involvement in leagues or tournaments and in the last couple days have even heard some rumors that Ayden wasn't the only non-eligible person who entered the Professor Cup. If hiring a couple full/part time people to run the registration booth or front desk is what is required to make everything good, they should do that.
ShadowGuard
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Well, actually, that happens, but it's considered "legal". The Austrian National Champion is a German player who has a second residence in Austria but doesn't live there. He doesn't play Pokémon except for Nationals, but in Austria the competition is low enough for him to win.
Still, faking your identity is cheating. I don't know how cheaters who win big tournaments are treated, but this is actually the same, no more, no less.
That's exactly why I don't like that points system. Of course its easy to check, but also easy to abuse.
Yes. Every year. That's one of the reasons why the Cup has never been a sanctioned tournament. We view our participation as part of the "thank you" that this tournament is. After all, how often do folks get to sit down and share a game with the folks in charge?
JimboPro
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Lets see here...
FRAUD
noun
1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
I do believe fraud is illegal, ecspecially when you benefit from it...
Theft
noun
1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
Theft is illegal no matter where you are from...
Also in the legal terms of theft, if you take or accept something while knowingly defrauding someone or something, even if it is given to you or handed to you it is still considered theft...
This guy knowingly used false pretence to enter an event he was not suppose to be allowed into, he knowingly took the prizes from this event also knowing that if they knew he was not a professor he would not be able to claim them...
@cameraman
Yes I speed, yes I have cut in line, and I have done worse but that does give me the right to steal something that does not belong to me, if I get caught speeding and recieve a ticket and I do not pay the ticket, yes I will get a ban from driving.... If I cut in line at a movie and it causes a fight, they could very well ban me from that theatre....
This person knowingly did the wrong thing and I do believe he needs some sort of consequence...
1. Return all items he stole from winning
2. Be banned from premeir events for at least 1 year
3. Never be able to become a proffesor
4. If the items are not returned, lifetime ban !
These four things above are very forgiving and much less of a punishment than he would recieve if he knowingly defrauded the lottery and collected his prize money... which I don't see a difference from defrauding the lottery and defrauding an entire game/culture to collect prizes....
thats my two cents....
FRAUD
noun
1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
I do believe fraud is illegal, ecspecially when you benefit from it...
Theft
noun
1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
Theft is illegal no matter where you are from...
Also in the legal terms of theft, if you take or accept something while knowingly defrauding someone or something, even if it is given to you or handed to you it is still considered theft...
This guy knowingly used false pretence to enter an event he was not suppose to be allowed into, he knowingly took the prizes from this event also knowing that if they knew he was not a professor he would not be able to claim them...
@cameraman
Yes I speed, yes I have cut in line, and I have done worse but that does give me the right to steal something that does not belong to me, if I get caught speeding and recieve a ticket and I do not pay the ticket, yes I will get a ban from driving.... If I cut in line at a movie and it causes a fight, they could very well ban me from that theatre....
This person knowingly did the wrong thing and I do believe he needs some sort of consequence...
1. Return all items he stole from winning
2. Be banned from premeir events for at least 1 year
3. Never be able to become a proffesor
4. If the items are not returned, lifetime ban !
These four things above are very forgiving and much less of a punishment than he would recieve if he knowingly defrauded the lottery and collected his prize money... which I don't see a difference from defrauding the lottery and defrauding an entire game/culture to collect prizes....
thats my two cents....
Personally I hope you throw the book at the kid (I'm not quite sure if I mean literally or figuratively right now)
But please don't be to hard on your employees it was a simple oversight on their part and the main issue is only because he won. Had he gone 4-3 missed cut nobody would care as much, I've certainly made some mistakes and oversight at work and have been forgenute enough to not have them come back and bite me later. I've even had my bosses cover for me once or twice knowing I'm a good guy who made a mistake, which I'm guessing is what happened here.
-Jay
Charlie Sheen
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The first part of that post was funny. I disagree with the part about going 4-3. Either way, winning or losing, it affected the tourney.
Posted with Mobile style...
Posted with Mobile style...
One more win and I think I would have made top cut. This effects more in the cup than just top cut. I encourage Pokemon to go after this fellow with not just a lifetime ban, but more. I also know some of the people that were in top cut and could have won. People need to learn that for every decision they make, there is a consequence that matters. A lifetime ban obviously does not matter to this person. Perhaps he should buy us all Kindles. Grrrrrr.
Note, I do not blame the staff at all. There is only just so much you can do without a linked database available at the event. At some point you have to rely upon personal integrity. I enjoyed the Professor Cup greatly - it was in fact my favorite event. If my name had not been on the list I would have been devastated and I would have been very appreciative of anything they could do to to get my name on the roster - including extending me the trust due me as a Professor and Judge. The staff at the PC was great and they moved the event along better than any other event I participated in - I hope that Pokemon does NOT blame staff and instead recognizes that they need more resources.
Note, I do not blame the staff at all. There is only just so much you can do without a linked database available at the event. At some point you have to rely upon personal integrity. I enjoyed the Professor Cup greatly - it was in fact my favorite event. If my name had not been on the list I would have been devastated and I would have been very appreciative of anything they could do to to get my name on the roster - including extending me the trust due me as a Professor and Judge. The staff at the PC was great and they moved the event along better than any other event I participated in - I hope that Pokemon does NOT blame staff and instead recognizes that they need more resources.
I do not want a life time ban. So don't say I don't care about getting one.
LionheartEX
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Personally the bashing against Cecily on other boards makes me horrendously sick.
I've had my beef with players before, but never have I seen so many venomous posts directed at someone, who, in her situation, is handling herself incredibly well AND hasn't even done anything wrong! What's worse is they represent our game in some respects.
Honestly, idc if Aiden gets banned or not. It's those players who made those posts I'd like to see removed from the game.
Mom's posts have pretty much warranted a /thread also. Nail on the head!
I've had my beef with players before, but never have I seen so many venomous posts directed at someone, who, in her situation, is handling herself incredibly well AND hasn't even done anything wrong! What's worse is they represent our game in some respects.
Honestly, idc if Aiden gets banned or not. It's those players who made those posts I'd like to see removed from the game.
Mom's posts have pretty much warranted a /thread also. Nail on the head!
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