Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

"Declumping" a Deck

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"Declumping" and stacking are essentially the same thing. It doesn't make it any more acceptable to place cards in one other desirable position in your deck than any other position. They are all cheating.

They are not the same thing. Stacking is clearly cheating. You stack with the intent of cheating and taking advantage of your opponent. When you stack, you're not declumping but you are arranging your cards in a way to help you so when you play that Juniper, you draw those cards. When you declump, you're just moving the cards around to prevent dead draws. You shuffle your deck well and give it to your opponents for them to shuffle, then the game continues.

The game changes with each search and shuffle. Declumping is not the issue but how you feel like you're being cheated.
 
On the subject of pile-shuffling: What is everyone's opinion on sorting your deck into Trainers, Energy, and Pokemon and then going through pile shuffling followed by several riffle shuffles? For example if I were to sort my deck into Trainers, Energy, and Pokemon, shuffle each stack, then perform a 6-pile shuffle 2, followed by several thorough riffle shuffles. What are your thoughts on this?
 
You fail to see the difference in declumping and stacking. You shuffle well after declumping cards and offer it to your opponent but when you stack, it's to cheat. If you stacked 5 fire energy so you can get the effect, that cheating but during a search for a card and you notice 10 fire energy together, you're going to move them around.

Declumping is not bad and it should not be an issue.

Not that I care, but your argument is contradictory. You say that you only do it when you're drawing badly. That's part of the game. I mean, you try and build a deck for consistency. Just power shuffle and play it as you may. I mean it is cheating to search through your deck. It takes away the randomness of the game.

What you do is take away from the spirit of the game. It is soft cheating to do so and to call yourself good is hilarious honestly! :lol:

You play to win yes, but do it with class not ignorance.
 
On the subject of pile-shuffling: What is everyone's opinion on sorting your deck into Trainers, Energy, and Pokemon and then going through pile shuffling followed by several riffle shuffles? For example if I were to sort my deck into Trainers, Energy, and Pokemon, shuffle each stack, then perform a 6-pile shuffle 2, followed by several thorough riffle shuffles. What are your thoughts on this?

You should be shuffling well enough after creating those piles that creating them in the first place made no difference. Basically, you end up with the same dilemma as a midgame "declumping" of your deck: You are either cheating by creating and maintaining an unrandom distribution of cards, or you are shuffling enough to eliminate that distribution so that you wasted time (even if it was only your own time since this could be done inbetween rounds).
 
I know what random is. When I'm playing a game and I'm drawing bad, it's because the deck was not ... in the order I wanted but when the chance comes for me to search, I'm going to fix the issue, move cards around

Seriously?! I can't get over this... I know I'm being trolled. I mean I know that when someone says something as egregious as that they're simply trying to make fun of me by seeing how outrageous of a statement I'll actually respond to, but seriously I think you've gone too far with this one.

You can't tell me that you simply re-arrange the cards in your deck to the order you want and expect me to have a rational debate with you. The only conclusion is that you're trolling me.
 
They are not the same thing. Stacking is clearly cheating. You stack with the intent of cheating and taking advantage of your opponent. When you stack, you're not declumping but you are arranging your cards in a way to help you so when you play that Juniper, you draw those cards. When you declump, you're just moving the cards around to prevent dead draws. You shuffle your deck well and give it to your opponents for them to shuffle, then the game continues.

The game changes with each search and shuffle. Declumping is not the issue but how you feel like you're being cheated.
That's absolutely cheating, what you said right there. You are MOVING CARDS TO PREVENT DEAD DRAWS, meaning you are ruining randomness and cheating.
 
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. Just because you opine one as cheating and another as not doesn't actually MEAN they are any different. In any situation where you intentionally move cards around you are stacking your deck, that is not something that is debatable. That is the DEFINITION of stacking - "to prearrange the order of (a deck of cards) so as to increase the chance of winning."

It's not prearranging. I'm not fixing my deck before a game to get my ideal hand. We don't do it to cheat or to try to get an advantage. Stacking is not debatable, its flat out cheating. Declumping is not.
 
Does anyone here remember the old game “press your luck” on TV? It’s the parent game of the one we have now, “whammy” (If not, Wikipedia is your friend)

There was a man named Michael Larson that memorized the pattern the board would take. He then went on the show, and using his timing knowledge, was able to walk away with over 100k US.

My point is, having memory of the board patterns, plus knowledge of the randomization process done, was sufficient enough that he could assure himself exactly what he wanted.

If one man could memorize 6 board patters with split-second timing, It naturally follows that one could memorize the position of 47 (at maximum) cards in one’s deck. For example, let’s say I have a 3-minute shuffle method that places the cards from slots 1,7,13,15,27,33 on the top of my deck by the end. (This is purely an example, but certainly possible)

I play PONT, say “Oh I need to de-clump” and place my god hand into those slots, while also pretending to de-clump the cards I don’t want, placing them into other slots. I then proceed to do my shuffle technique.

Now, as it stands, unless my opponent cuts, my deck is stacked. Even if they DO cut, the first few cards I see will tell me exactly where the cut was, and what is next in my deck.

That’s why de-clumping is wrong. Not because YOU cheat, but because people CAN cheat.

It only takes one to ruin it for everyone. That one will ALWAYS exist. Hence, we take precaution against it.

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As an aside. Vaporeon, please for love of $diety$ stop bringing up netdecking. You've had your billion anti-netdecking posts, that's not what the topic at hand is. Let's keep this focused here.
 
It's not prearranging. I'm not fixing my deck before a game to get my ideal hand. We don't do it to cheat or to try to get an advantage. Stacking is not debatable, its flat out cheating. Declumping is not.
Hold on, hold on. Dude, you said it yourself. You declump, in your words, to prevent dead draws. That means you ARE declumping to get an advantage. Not dead drawing is an advantage.
 
If you rearrange cards in your deck and then draw after a modest shuffle, there isn't merely some potential to cheat, it simply is cheating. The cards you draw are immediately unrandom...
 
Not that I care, but your argument is contradictory. You say that you only do it when you're drawing badly. That's part of the game. I mean, you try and build a deck for consistency. Just power shuffle and play it as you may. I mean it is cheating to search through your deck. It takes away the randomness of the game.

What you do is take away from the spirit of the game. It is soft cheating to do so and to call yourself good is hilarious honestly! :lol:

You play to win yes, but do it with class not ignorance.

Of course I play to win but I play fair and within the rules. Not some made up fan rules of how he wants to play the game.
 
I know what random is. When I'm playing a game and I'm drawing bad, it's because the deck was not shuffled well, or it was but not in the order I wanted but when the chance comes for me to search, I'm going to fix the issue, move cards around if it's needed and make the attempt to shuffle it again.

"...not in the order I wanted" is apparently your definition for not random?

"Fixing the issue" during a search when the issue is defined as the cards not being in the order you wanted is called stacking your deck. I.e., cheating.
 
I get the side of both arguments. I do feel rearranging the deck to your favor is a form of cheating, shuffling well equals drawing well.

I see the side of it not cheating as well. Simply because the opposing player haas the option to shuffle/cut.

Now if we are saying it is taking up too much time to "declump" then why are we not complaining about an opponent not cutting, but shuffling our decks?
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It's not prearranging. I'm not fixing my deck before a game to get my ideal hand. We don't do it to cheat or to try to get an advantage. Stacking is not debatable, its flat out cheating. Declumping is not.

Whether it is before a game or during a game it is still "prearranging." Prearranging doesn't just happen before the game begins. It happens any time you take a pile of cards (however many may be in that pile) and arrange them in such a way to gain an advantage. You are absolutely doing it to gain an advantage. Preventing dead draws is an ADVANTAGE. Just because you frame it as "preventative" doesn't mean it ISN'T. I have news for you - bad hands are a part of this game. Luck is a part of this game. If you randomize your deck face down like everyone else and still draw a bad hand, it's not because you didn't shuffle well enough. It's not because you should have gone in there and "fixed the issue." It's simply because that is the random order the cards ended up in.
 
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