WEREWOLF XV: Pokemon Wars: GAME END: TOWN WINS!!!!! See Post 2547 for Final Update!

[King Piplup]

@SS7-
Your role makes sense to deal with the growing issue of role reveals early on... Otherwise-
#2 Yes, it had to do with your secret keeping obsession-I got a quote similar to what you said while killing Redados1.
#5 I think I may have figured it out. I also am having an issue finding myself in the update. If you truly aren't that sith, then I think me and yourself would have been taken from the update while I was beating you up and interrogating you. Still does not necessarily mean you wouldn't have shown back up at the end. It also does seem quite deliberate that Absol mentioned that he had a black cloak, when there hasn't ever been another black cloak mentioned then the figure who you claim to be yourself (Night 9). Have a response to this?
@Napoleon-
That was before I was in the game, so I don't know an exact post or anything. I do know that his play last game day pointing toward a mislynch was suspicious-leaning, but I don't honestly know where we know him from...
My thoughts:

Confirmed Town
Napoleon (Cynthia, only other thing is that you might be indie-Don't think so though)
King Piplup (I've not been countere'd, my role evidently exists, I've backed it up with results from last night, what more do you want?)
Jewelquest (Jolteon seems 100% town to me)
Cardz (Town)
(Thunderjolt-Also could be indie I suppose, but isn't sith or wolf)

Indie
PCoPB (Fett-Can somebody please point to where this was inferred from? At this point I'm not sure I support him, and I hold sentiments similar to Napoleon...)

Clear Sum
Dragonclyne725 (WOLF)

The rest-
Scottistru (Don't know what he has going for him other than Redados who is being ignored)
Pikajew1213 (Yeahh... either really bad townie or is sith)
Sandslash7 (I keep going back and forth here. Would like towns opinions on this...)
Gallade (Keeps moving closer and closer to the list above this)

I think that 2/3 in my bottom tier belong in the Scum tier. Question is who. Honestly, I don't see more than 2 sith left with 1 wolf also still existing. Right now I'd say our best lynch is Dragonclyne, but then we need to have seers on Scottistru, Pikajew1213, and Gallade. (Take it from me, seering SS7 doesn't help...)

Thoughts? Missed something obvious?

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

@ Napoleon & King Piplup:

The update confirms this. I know I was active during the first update and the last and a few in between. No one has counterclaimed my role and the update confirms its existence.

Specifically @ King Piplup:
I forget where this was said, but I remember during the last day it was stated that there 2 empire, 3 sith among us (I believe it was SS7 that stated this, but I'm not sure on this). As far as I know, this information is correct. I never saw anyone attempt to correct the information and so therefore I am assuming it is true. If it is false, then obviously my theory is only as good as the information it was based upon.

Specifically @ Napoleon:

I never said you were a wolf. All I am saying is that, as far as I know (and if I am wrong on this, I invite you to correct me), all you have for you is your word. That you are Cynthia. This hasn't been counterclaimed, but I do not know of any evidence that suggests this to be true (again, it is likely I missed something; I am only human, after all and it would impossible to expect me to remember every miniscule detail about a person's identity). If there is evidence, calmly state it. If someone confirmed your identity or your appear in the update, calmly state so.

If there are three sith left, then all I am saying is that one of you is clearly lying. I cleared everyone who can be cleared, so by process of elimination one of you have got to be a wolf.

If there are two sith left, forget I said anything. You are both town. Also, the game is won as we'll know everyone who is scum.

 

[Sandslash7]

#2342

@SS7-
Your role makes sense to deal with the growing issue of role reveals early on... Otherwise-
#2 Yes, it had to do with your secret keeping obsession-I got a quote similar to what you said while killing Redados1. Good. As I said I had no idea that this would happen when I was seered. But it makes sense.
#5 I think I may have figured it out. I also am having an issue finding myself in the update. If you truly aren't that sith, then I think me and yourself would have been taken from the update while I was beating you up and interrogating you. Still does not necessarily mean you wouldn't have shown back up at the end. It also does seem quite deliberate that Absol mentioned that he had a black cloak, when there hasn't ever been another black cloak mentioned then the figure who you claim to be yourself (Night 9). Have a response to this? Indeed. In my Night Analysis (forthcoming) I identified us and gallade as people not specifically listed in the update. True, it does not mean I couldn't have shown back up in that update.
About Night 9, however, I was confined to the Hangar. PCPB might be able to verify this. I could not have appeared later on as the Black Cloak seen in Night 9. Further elaboration will be given if need be.
@Napoleon-
That was before I was in the game, so I don't know an exact post or anything. I do know that his play last game day pointing toward a mislynch was suspicious-leaning, but I don't honestly know where we know him from...
My thoughts: My thoughts forthcoming.

Confirmed Town
Napoleon (Cynthia, only other thing is that you might be indie-Don't think so though)
King Piplup (I've not been countere'd, my role evidently exists, I've backed it up with results from last night, what more do you want?)
Jewelquest (Jolteon seems 100% town to me)
Cardz (Town)
(Thunderjolt-Also could be indie I suppose, but isn't sith or wolf)

Indie
PCoPB (Fett-Can somebody please point to where this was inferred from? At this point I'm not sure I support him, and I hold sentiments similar to Napoleon...)

Clear Sum
Dragonclyne725 (WOLF)

The rest-
Scottistru (Don't know what he has going for him other than Redados who is being ignored)
Pikajew1213 (Yeahh... either really bad townie or is sith)
Sandslash7 (I keep going back and forth here. Would like towns opinions on this...)
Gallade (Keeps moving closer and closer to the list above this)

I think that 2/3 in my bottom tier belong in the Scum tier. Question is who. Honestly, I don't see more than 2 sith left with 1 wolf also still existing. Right now I'd say our best lynch is Dragonclyne, but then we need to have seers on Scottistru, Pikajew1213, and Gallade. (Take it from me, seering SS7 doesn't help...)

Thoughts? Missed something obvious?

See Bold.


I'd like to encourage us to take a step back for a moment.


We clearly need to re-evaluate our numbers.





I am surprised that Cardzmaster2004 is town. But, this helps greatly.


Indie:
PokeChampofPokeBeach

Town:
Cardz

Leans Town:
SS7
Napoleon
King Piplup
JewelQuest
thunderjolt

Suspicious:
Pikajew1213
gallade
Scottistru

Leans Scum:
Dragonclyne725



The Sith have been suspiciously silent during the past 2 nights. Unfortunately for us, we've not been able to see if any Sith have been waylaid by Night Roles.

From my last count (yes it was me who made that count earlier), we've got 1 Wolf and 3 Sith left. However, I'm confused, because I thought there was 2 Jedi left, and in the most recent update the Black Cloak Sith said that the last Jedi had died. The Jedi Badges also dissolved.


gallade ~ What is your theory on the contradiction between the number of Jedi and the updates?



Could "Recruited" people act as "minions" to the Jedi?





Hmmm.... Could recruited people act as minions for the Jedi AND SITH?




I have a new theory.

NEW HYPOTHESIS

1. Recruiting players gives each side minions to help in fights between Jedi and Sith.
2. Both Sides have this ability. Jpulice and Cyrus/Giovanni CLEARLY had the ability to give out Badges and Tattoos respectively.
3. These minions have to be Force Sensitive to be able to fight.
4. Non-Force Sensitive minions would not participate in fights.
5. Force-Sensitive minions would possibly get to use their role as normal, then either before or afterwards travel to the room where the Jedi/Sith fight was to occur.
6. Force-Sensitive minions would not necessarily know that they are participating in Jedi/Sith fights
7. Force-Sensitive minions would not necessarily have a changed win condition

/NEW HYPOTHESIS

What are your thoughts? This would make the numbers much easier to deal with.

Right now we have 2 Tattoos remaining. PCPB and Napoleon. At the point when jpulice was still alive, there were 2 active badges and 1 to-be-activated badge. Those badges were Cardz, King Piplup, and Scottistru, respectively.



I'm going to go out on a limb and come up with other hypotheses.

Jedi Numbers Hypothesis

1. jpulice was the last Jedi.
2. The other "jedi" was a minion recruited by jpulice.
3. The other "jedi" was Cardzmaster.
4. Now that the true Jedi have been eliminated, there are no more Jedi or Jedi minions (the badges went away)

Sith Numbers Hypothesis

1. There is a minimum of 1 True Sith left.
2. There is a maximum of 3 True Sith left.
3. 2 Players have tattoos.
4. Between Napoleon and PokeChampofPokeBeach, PCPB is more likely to be a minion, but still unlikely.
5. If the above are true, then we have TWO Sith remaining, and the minions will be released after the True Sith are killed.

I'd like to know your theory gallade, and see what you've come up with. Does your theory make more sense than mine?



Poke holes in my theories, please. If you've got information (due to a role or having HAD a tattoo/badge) then please share. If you can't share, then make it obvious that you can't share. (i.e. "no comment")
The first hole I'll poke myself:

There were 5 Sith on Night 4. If my theory was correct, then Dave628 would have been one of those Sith. That seems highly unlikely. But possible...




Those numbers seem to point that there are NO minions active right now for the Sith. i.e. there are 3 True Sith left.





Thoughts?


OTHER COMMENTS:

• Cardzmaster2004 was NOT in the barracks Night 7. I don't know what this means right now.
• Just because someone doesn't have a black cloak on does not show that they are not Sith.
• 3 players were missing from the Night 10 update. King Piplup, SS7, and gallade.
• The fight was me and King Piplup, (more like him beating me up).
• I tried for the Lightsaber.

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

@ Sandslash7:

I can confirm that you were in the hanger. I was also in the hanger and it was because you were my target that night. I was assigned to protect you during the night.

Also, do you agree with me that someone is lying about their identity? Seeing as it is highly likely there are three Sith, do you think my theory is a good one? Just trying to get a little feedback, no one has really commented about it so I'm just trying to see whether anyone agree with it or not.

If you don't agree with my theory, please, by all means, correct me. I want to actively contribute and I can only do that when I get feedback from my posts.

 

[JewelQuest]

I'd like to see Cardz post. I think, as he was the meditating man, that he would have some sort of...seer role. Since I made him target Scott, I'd like to see what he says.

@Cardz: You have been confirmed town, and yet you still are hiding? Come one out!

I am suspicious of gallade. He role-revealed that he was a Jedi(I think the Gallade in the update was a Jedi..), and yes, this update says that the last Jedi has fallen. Something is not right.
Also, he did not role reveal until someone else said that he could probably get away with being the Gallade from the update. Anyone else find this odd?

My thought on Dragonclyne725. Though I find it weird that the Pokemon that Diaz lost were Lances, I don't think that Dragonclyne is Lance. Even if he is, I don't think that he is on the town side.

 

[Scottistru]

A few things before I have to go:
1. I seered pikajew, and the description confirmed him as the man with the gun, and also specifically stated that he has no malicious intent, and seemed very defensive. I suspect he is an indy with a survival role.
2. If we agree that SS7's hypothesis is correct, we may be able to find sith by looking at who was asking people if they were force sensitive. I really need to find time tomorrow for a re-read.
3. I attemped to go after the lightsaber. Also, do people think the person who got the lightsaber should claim tomorrow, seeing as I doubt a sith would be able to go after a lightsaber.
4. Napolean is practically confirmed to be Cynthia by the Night One update, and the only way I could see him being scum is if he is some malicious gone-evil Cynthia.

 

[JewelQuest]

A few things before I have to go:
1. I seered pikajew, and the description confirmed him as the man with the gun, and also specifically stated that he has no malicious intent, and seemed very defensive. I suspect he is an indy with a survival role.
2. If we agree that SS7's hypothesis is correct, we may be able to find sith by looking at who was asking people if they were force sensitive. I really need to find time tomorrow for a re-read.
3. I attemped to go after the lightsaber. Also, do people think the person who got the lightsaber should claim tomorrow, seeing as I doubt a sith would be able to go after a lightsaber.
4. Napolean is practically confirmed to be Cynthia by the Night One update, and the only way I could see him being scum is if he is some malicious gone-evil Cynthia.

Never thought of doing that...I might have to find time as well.

 

[Scottistru]

Ok, I just looked back at all the posts with the phrase "force-sensitive", and I only found jellyfisher asking about who was force sensitive. It also seems that no living person has claimed force sensitive. It is possible, however, that I missed a post that said "force sensitive" or misspelled or simply refrenced it without saying it. I will start checking night updates and rereading known scum asap(probably tomorrow)
Second, @SS7(or anyone else for that matter): who, other than sith and jedi, would have been force sensitive?
Finally a question for everyone: Does anyone have a mafiascum account or other offsite mafia/werewolf games?

 

[King Piplup]

@ Napoleon & King Piplup:

The update confirms this. I know I was active during the first update and the last and a few in between. No one has counterclaimed my role and the update confirms its existence.

Specifically @ King Piplup:
I forget where this was said, but I remember during the last day it was stated that there 2 empire, 3 sith among us (I believe it was SS7 that stated this, but I'm not sure on this). As far as I know, this information is correct. I never saw anyone attempt to correct the information and so therefore I am assuming it is true. If it is false, then obviously my theory is only as good as the information it was based upon.

Correct, but was SS7 sure? I'm not doubting the count, just throwing it out there.
Specifically @ Napoleon:

I never said you were a wolf. All I am saying is that, as far as I know (and if I am wrong on this, I invite you to correct me), all you have for you is your word. That you are Cynthia. This hasn't been counterclaimed, but I do not know of any evidence that suggests this to be true (again, it is likely I missed something; I am only human, after all and it would impossible to expect me to remember every miniscule detail about a person's identity). If there is evidence, calmly state it. If someone confirmed your identity or your appear in the update, calmly state so.

If there are three sith left, then all I am saying is that one of you is clearly lying. I cleared everyone who can be cleared, so by process of elimination one of you have got to be a wolf.

If there are two sith left, forget I said anything. You are both town. Also, the game is won as we'll know everyone who is scum.

Ok, I just looked back at all the posts with the phrase "force-sensitive", and I only found jellyfisher asking about who was force sensitive. It also seems that no living person has claimed force sensitive. It is possible, however, that I missed a post that said "force sensitive" or misspelled or simply refrenced it without saying it. I will start checking night updates and rereading known scum asap(probably tomorrow)
Second, @SS7(or anyone else for that matter): who, other than sith and jedi, would have been force sensitive?
Finally a question for everyone: Does anyone have a mafiascum account or other offsite mafia/werewolf games?

Last question is a no.

OK, we have a majjjorrr issue. Gallade is sith, I feel safe with that. Pikajew, I feel is most definitely indie, especially after Scottistru's seering of him. Dragonclyne is the final imperial.

10. Napoleon-Cynthia, Town (Or I suppose MAYBE indie)
15. PokeChampofPokeBeach, Wobba Fett, Indie
21. Sandslash7-Black Cloak Guy, Unknown
27. gallade, "Group" containing various alignments, likely Sith
28. Dragonclyne725-Wolf.
32. Thunderjolt-Deoxys, Town
34. Cardzmaster2004, Meditating Man, Town (I assume Seer who should know something about Scottistru?)
37. King Piplup-SFT #3 Town
38. PikaJew1213-Gun guy, likely Indie
39. JewelQuest-Jolteon, Town
41. Scottistru-Cardz, anything? Unknown

Anybody want to poke holes? Requesting bump by 6:30 if nobody has posted anything relevant.

 

[Sandslash7]

#2349

@ Sandslash7:

I can confirm that you were in the hanger. I was also in the hanger and it was because you were my target that night. I was assigned to protect you during the night.

Also, do you agree with me that someone is lying about their identity? Seeing as it is highly likely there are three Sith, do you think my theory is a good one? Just trying to get a little feedback, no one has really commented about it so I'm just trying to see whether anyone agree with it or not.

If you don't agree with my theory, please, by all means, correct me. I want to actively contribute and I can only do that when I get feedback from my posts.

I do. I think you are correct that someone is lying.


Another compounding factor is people who are telling the truth, but have the role they claimed be secondary to their primary role as Sith. This is highly likely. From the updates, it is clear that when the Sith are not visible, they do "normal Night activities."


This is why I only have one player in my "confirmed town" section. Cardz. He is the only person who has been Seered, recently.


In my "likely town" section, I put Napoleon, King Piplup, Myself, thunderjolt, and JewelQuest.

1. Napoleon is proven Cynthia. Does that mean he is town? Almost assuredly. Is it proof? Unfortunately not.
2. King Piplup claimed, without counterclaim, and with role to back it up, Special Forces 3. Does that mean he is town? Almost assuredly. Is it proof? Unfortunately not.
3. I am the protector of secrets. Does that mean I am town? Probably (from your perspective, with my actions, explanations, and precedent). Is it proof? Unfortunately not.
4. thunderjolt is Deoxys. Does that mean he is town? I don't know. Probably? He hasn't done anything malicious in the update. At the same time, we have precedent that Pokemon CAN become humans, and if thunderjolt is a Sith, the Deoxys could just be a "hiding form."
5. JewelQuest is Jolteon. Does that mean she is town? Probably. Clearly not a wolf, but again there is precedent for Pokemon turning into humans. (Lucario to Dark Lord Mr. X). JQ's night actions have been spot on, the only "suspicious" thing she's done is shock Mara Jade right before her death at the hands of the Empire.

My suspicious list:

1. gallade, shown to be the green and white pokemon (Gallade), who could not be badged for whatever reason.
2. Pikajew1213. Guy with guns. Seems to be some form of vigilante, but has not done anything the entire game. Could be town (from Scott's/Redados1's info).
3. Scottistru. (most recently) Guy with datapad. Badged.

Highly probable scum:
Dragonclyne. For obvious reasons.






All of those people COULD be telling the truth with their reveals. They might not be telling the WHOLE TRUTH.

The fact of the matter is that there are still 3 Sith out there. Which means that SOME PEOPLE have not given us the whole truth.


I was almost POSITIVE that Cardz was Sith. The fact that Napoleon reads him as town is making me rethink things.





Are our Seer reads any good any more?

There has been precedent for Scum being able to be protected by their role. Ikrit was a great example of that. Absol built into his role that he would not return as Scum, but as nothing at all (null read).

2 Scenarios:

1. We can trust all reads (Napoleon, Redados1, etc). This means that Scottistru, myself, Pikajew1213, and Cardz are town.
2. We can NOT trust any reads. This means that those cleared are not cleared.

King Piplup: I WAS pretty positive. During the Day 9 update, there are clearly shown to be 2 Jedi and 4 Sith. One, Giovanni, (TheKing) was killed. Leaving 2 Jedi and 3 Sith. Except now we have 0 Jedi (if we believe the Black Cloak) and still the same number of Sith. See my previous scenarios about the possibility of our seers being mislead.

Napoleon: Who did you try to kill on Night 4? This may have great relevancy right now.

Scottistru: The Pokemon who have died have been revealed to be Force Sensitive. Additionally, people like Seeker (jellyfisher) were also Force Sensitive. Again, this is just a hypothesis.

 

[gallade]

I'm not sure why I couldn't be badged, although it probably has something to do with me being in his group and allied with him already.
I have since then scrapped my theory, which had to do with me being a jedi in training, because it clearly shows in the update where I fight with giovanni that the sith know I am a jedi(/sith, depending on your viewpoint).

I have nothing as of now to defend myself. I would like a seer to use his role on me, because that is the only thing I see that can prove either way.

 

[DragonClyne725]

#2328
When I was shown in the Day 8 update, I did wear a black cloak, but notice I did NOT use a lightsaber. I used a bladed metal weapon. A SITH would have eliminated Redados1 with a lightsaber (SEE DAY 9 update)[/list]

To paraphrase my letter to jpulice:

My role specifically targets those who role-reveal. Guess who the FIRST person to role-reveal was? Redados1. I used my role on him, silencing him from revealing about his role. Unfortunately he was our greatest Seer. I could NOT do anything to stop myself from killing him when he started revealing again. Once I used my role Night 2, it could not be undone. I didn't want to kill him. I had no choice. I am "DarthPika" from WWXII

If you really wanted what was best for the town, why would you silence a potential seer?

If you don't get my role now, I cannot give you anything more.

If you were the one who killed Redados1, I think I know who you are (see below). However, that still doesn't clear whether or not you are town-aligned.

Comments bolded

I was given enough information to discern that you are the one who killed Redados, and the one who stayed up late with your black cloak and said the sith will rule and yadadada.... You are sith.

The person who killed Redados1 stated "“Niente è vero, tutto è permesso. Requiescat in pace", or "Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Rest in peace". This quote is taken from Assassin's Creed 2 and is said by Ezio, who, I believe, wears a black cloak. This would suggest that the person who killed Redados1 is Ezio. SS7 claims to be that person, and you confirm that. However, you also confirm that he is the Sith who stayed up late. There is the possibility that AT made the Ezio character a Sith.

@KP: What information did you receive? Can you 100% confirm that SS7 was the Sith who stayed up late?

hmm, i suppose the update does cast reasonable suspicion on me. I may know why they said they had killed the last jedi.

You claimed jedi and the update states that jpulice was the last jedi. More than likely, you were a Jedi who turned Sith.

PF5 tried to tell us he was the last one. Obviously not true. You're the most likely suspect, since he directly defended you.

Yes, he did defend me, but if I were really the last remaining Imperial would he do that? No, he would make sure that there was absolutely no connection between him and I, not throw me into the mix by pretending to "hide me away" during the update and then voting for KP. My guess is that the Imperials are close to winning: why else would PF5 offer for us to "control" the wolf night kill? Offering for us to control the kill (and not getting lynched) would have given him and his partner an extra night in order to kill. (In other words, he offers to give us the kill and we give him names. He makes his own choice of who to kill during the night. We lynch him next day, and his partner is given a free night to kill another person.) We are really going to need to find the last Imperial Today, not lynch a townie.

To everyone: I AM LANCE. I know that just saying it doesn't prove anything, but it is true.

Is there anything else I can do to clean myself? Because I have done a lot for us so far, and I'm still being targeted.

You are being targeted because you HAVEN'T done a lot for us so far, and because you claimed jedi while the update says otherwise.

Clear Sum
Dragonclyne725 (WOLF)
...
Thoughts? Missed something obvious?

Uh, yeah, I'd say you missed something. I am town, for one thing, and I also think that SS7 is clean if what he says is true.

1. Recruiting players gives each side minions to help in fights between Jedi and Sith.
2. Both Sides have this ability. Jpulice and Cyrus/Giovanni CLEARLY had the ability to give out Badges and Tattoos respectively.
3. These minions have to be Force Sensitive to be able to fight.
4. Non-Force Sensitive minions would not participate in fights.
5. Force-Sensitive minions would possibly get to use their role as normal, then either before or afterwards travel to the room where the Jedi/Sith fight was to occur.
6. Force-Sensitive minions would not necessarily know that they are participating in Jedi/Sith fights
7. Force-Sensitive minions would not necessarily have a changed win condition

This Hypothesis makes sense. That would explain why jellyfisher was asking people whether or not they were force-sensitive. Force-sensitive badged people would have been able to help him fight the Sith. Also, that would mean that we might only have 1-2 Sith remaining.

Assuming this is true, and assuming SS7 killed Redados1:

Town/Indie
Napoleon (Cynthia)
PokeChampofPokeBeach (Wobba Fett)
Sandslash7 (Ezio)
Dragonclyne725 (Lance)
Thunderjolt (Deoxys)
Cardzmaster2004 (Meditating Man)
King Piplup (SFT)
PikaJew1213 (Gun Guy)
JewelQuest (Jolteon)

Possible Scum
Scottistru Imperial?
gallade Sith?

Highly probable scum:
Dragonclyne. For obvious reasons.

Obvious reasons? They must not be obvious because I do not see them. Yes, PF5 claimed he "hid me away" during the Night in order to give himself an alibi. His 'using' me does not make me his partner! See underlined lines above.

TL;DR
-I am Lance, and a townie! Feel free to seer me if you doubt my claim!
-If what he says is true, and what KP confirms as well, SS7 is Ezio and is most likely town

 

[King Piplup]

Just noticed something REALLY weird. On the front page Jpluice is colored blue (Town) while Kezzup is colored that odd purple (???????). Both were supposedly Jedi.

Not make sense?

@SS7
OK, I agree with your numbers. Your earlier theory explains the sudden collapse of Jedi numbers. The sith (Or those with the tattoo counting toward the total are probably Gallade, PCoPB (Tat), and one other true sith. (Scottistru, whose Seer ability would fit with them figuring out who was force sensitive?).

Would like to hear thoughts. In the mean time, going to try and figure out some roles based on WWXII. If some people's roles don't show, I think we may've found a lier or two.

Napoleon-Cynthia. WWXII Counterpart-Lil Magma-Red

Originally Posted by Absoltrainer
Lil_Magma - Red
You are Trainer Red, you are a Pokémon Master. You have the highest level Pokémon ever seen in a video game.

ROLE: POKEMON GO!!!!
You’re Pokémon are your greatest tool. You may use any one of your Pokémon Each night. Each one has a different ability. However there are (2) catches.
A) Each Pokémon must be used at least once before you may use a Pokemon for the second time. You may use them in ANY ORDER you want
[DEL]B) There is another Trainer out there. Trainer Blue. If he releases his Pokémon during the night as well, the two will battle each other to see whose role will succeed during the night. You have a 50% chance of succeeding in using your role.
[/DEL]
Lol, you WISH I would tell you the list of Pokémon!

Win Condition: Town Wins

Only thing is I'd like to see a Blue somewhere, preferably Lucian. Guess he wasn't included since nobody else fits the bill.

PokechampofPokebeach-Boba Fett. WWXII Counterpart-SS7

Originally Posted by Absoltrainer
Sandslash7 - Boba Fett
You are Boba Fett. The most deadly Bounty Hunter in the galaxy. You arrived in the town after finishing a job, but got stuck here when the walls went up. Now you will do what you always do. Make a living, by being a “gun for hire”

ROLE: CONTRACTER
Every day on the update, a bulletin board will be included. On which you will have posted a contract that anyone can pick up and hire you with. You’re contracts will change between “Kill”, “Investigate”, “Capture”, “Protect”, “Scare”
No one can take the contract twice during the game. The first person to PM me saying they want to take the contract will get it. I will then PM you telling you who contracted you to do what. You have the option to refuse it. Either way you remain anonymous. Remember that even if someone asks you to investigate someone, they get all the same info you get. Remember that if they hire you to kill someone....you might be caught doing their dirty work. Be careful and accept jobs with caution. Do what you need to do to survive.

Win Condition Stay alive until the game ends.

Commlink anybody? I think that would explain A LOT. Disagree anybody?


Sandslash7-Role Revealer Vigilante. WWXII Counterpart-DarthPika

Originally Posted by Absoltrainer
Darthpika - Role Revealer Vigilante
You are the Role Revealer Vigilante. You believe in secrets being kept secret. The only thing you hate more then people who reveal secrets are people who lie.

ROLE: KILLER
Once during the night, you may PM me with a quote of a post where you believe someone is attempting to lie about their role. If it is a lie reveal (meaning it's not true and fits my standards of a lie), you will have a 75% chance of killing that person for revealing a lie about their role. If it turns out the Role Reveal is true, or the lie is not complete enough, then your role will not take effect and you will not kill the person. It has to be a pretty complete role reveal. Simply saying "I'm not a wolf" is not enough.

Win Condition: Town Wins

Except as explained by him, he now has tweaked features to his role.

Gallade-Multiple Alignment Group Guy. WWXII Counterpart (At least as close as I could find) Also assuming he is 3rd party AKA Sith

Originally Posted by Absoltrainer
Meesie666666 - Grunt Defecator
You are an ex Team Galactic member who defected with Cyrus. You joined up with Cyrus to extract revenge on Team Galactic and take over the world. You will do whatever it takes to help Cyrus.

You are a member of Team Black Hole with (I WISH I WAS A CHICKEN)
You may communicate with them whenever you like via AIM, PM, E-mail, etc. to decide what you guys want to do.

You are ALSO a sibling with both (G Landers) and (Qwachansey) and you may converse with them at any time via PM/AIM/IM etc. and discuss your strategy for the next day. Both you’re siblings believe you quit Team Galactic long ago and believe you are a townie. You CANNOT tell either of them you are part of Team Black Hole and thus a bad guy. You also CANNOT tell Team Black Hole you are a sibling with (G Landers) and (Qwachansey) Also if any one of you die, the other two will commit suicide out of grief, so if Team Black Hole wants to kill either one of them, you might need to convince them otherwise. It is also wise to protect them from lynches if possible.

Win Condition Team Black Hole Wins

Sibling, I don't think so. I more think siblings turned into simple (Now dissolved according to them) mason group. I also think Gallade couldn't be badged because of the fact that he was Sith. (If he is Sith)

Dragonclyne725-Imperial WWXII Counterpart-Not Relevant.
Counterpart Role-Any of a bottom tier wolf.


Thunderjolt-Deoxys WWXII Counterpart-Uhhh...maybe Jason/Ditto
I really don't have any idea here. The number of players did go up, so some roles had to be created instead of renovated. I think this is one of them.

Cardsmaster2004-Meditating Guy, maybe Seer? WWXII Counterpart-Dukefirebird/Timeforpain

Originally Posted by Absoltrainer

DukeFireBird - Tate
You are Tate of the Mosdeep Gym. You have a twin sister, but do not know where she is. Shortly after arriving in the town, a Geodude fell on your head and you got amnesia, so you do not know who or where she is. Your only goal right now is to survive long enough to escape this town. You have powerful psychic abilities though. These will aid in your survival.

ROLE: VISION
At night, you may PM me the name of one person to discover their alignment.
However if you find the Alpha Werewolf, you will sacrifice yourself to take him down.
If you manage to find your Twin Sister, you will be rewarded.

Win Condition: Town Wins

OR

Originally Posted by Absoltrainer
Time For Pain - Detective Looker
You are DETECTIVE LOOKER!!!!! Investigator extraordinaire! You are currently trying to figure out who the bad guys are, but more specifically what they are after. You WILL solve this case.

ROLE: INFORMANT
Once during the night, you may PM me the name of any living player. You will then investigate that person during the night. You just might learn something about them.

Win Condition: Town Wins

He also could be a created role, but with the rooms mechanic, I don't think it's possible to find anything specifically like his. He is town aligned though, so...

King Piplup-Special Forces Team #3 (#2 if you want to be technical...). WWXII Counterpart(s): Legotack, Fire Spin, Brawler1623 (AKA Pokemon Special Forces)
You can go look at their roles if you want, but they are nothing like mine, Ulti's and Magneboar's, so I'm not copying them.

Pikajew1213-Rifle Guy WWXII Counterpart: N/A
Nobody specific jumps out at me, but I will note that I'm starting to doubt that he is last man standing, since AT noted here that he would never have one of those roles again. May not have happened, but worth noting.

Jewelquest-Jolteon/Eevee WWXII Counterpart:Eevee's of the past
Another role I'm convinced hasn't previously existed, since I believe him to have evolved from Eevee like Baby Mario did into Leafeon. Thoughts?

Scottistru-No clue, Seer abilites. WWXII Counterpart:Team Black Hole (IF SITH), otherwise other seer.
Since I believe Sith have different extra abilities than Team Black Hole members of the past, I don't think any of them would provide valid information. With the number of pseudo-seers, I don't think it to absurd for the Sith to have one. If he is not Sith, see Cardz.

That's everybody!!

Now, for Dragonlyne's post-

Comments bolded



The person who killed Redados1 stated "“Niente è vero, tutto è permesso. Requiescat in pace", or "Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Rest in peace". This quote is taken from Assassin's Creed 2 and is said by Ezio, who, I believe, wears a black cloak. This would suggest that the person who killed Redados1 is Ezio. SS7 claims to be that person, and you confirm that. However, you also confirm that he is the Sith who stayed up late. There is the possibility that AT made the Ezio character a Sith.

@KP: What information did you receive? Can you 100% confirm that SS7 was the Sith who stayed up late?

Stuff about him liking secrets. I cannot guarantee he was that sith, the black cloak led to that conclusion.

You claimed jedi and the update states that jpulice was the last jedi. More than likely, you were a Jedi who turned Sith.

Don't think this is possible, I think he claimed Jedi as a safe route.

Yes, he did defend me, but if I were really the last remaining Imperial would he do that? No, he would make sure that there was absolutely no connection between him and I, not throw me into the mix by pretending to "hide me away" during the update and then voting for KP. My guess is that the Imperials are close to winning: why else would PF5 offer for us to "control" the wolf night kill? Offering for us to control the kill (and not getting lynched) would have given him and his partner an extra night in order to kill. (In other words, he offers to give us the kill and we give him names. He makes his own choice of who to kill during the night. We lynch him next day, and his partner is given a free night to kill another person.) We are really going to need to find the last Imperial Today, not lynch a townie.

Uhh... Not sure I even get what your saying to be honest

To everyone: I AM LANCE. I know that just saying it doesn't prove anything, but it is true.

If we don't kill him, I suggest a Seer check into him.

You are being targeted because you HAVEN'T done a lot for us so far, and because you claimed jedi while the update says otherwise.



Uh, yeah, I'd say you missed something. I am town, for one thing, and I also think that SS7 is clean if what he says is true.



This Hypothesis makes sense. That would explain why jellyfisher was asking people whether or not they were force-sensitive. Force-sensitive badged people would have been able to help him fight the Sith. Also, that would mean that we might only have 1-2 Sith remaining.

Assuming this is true, and assuming SS7 killed Redados1:

Town/Indie
Napoleon (Cynthia)
PokeChampofPokeBeach (Wobba Fett)
Sandslash7 (Ezio)
Dragonclyne725 (Lance)
Thunderjolt (Deoxys)
Cardzmaster2004 (Meditating Man)
King Piplup (SFT)
PikaJew1213 (Gun Guy)
JewelQuest (Jolteon)

Possible Scum
Scottistru Imperial?
gallade Sith?

Looks fine other than your placement. Fits with the theory regarding the badges/tattoos.

Obvious reasons? They must not be obvious because I do not see them. Yes, PF5 claimed he "hid me away" during the Night in order to give himself an alibi. His 'using' me does not make me his partner! See underlined lines above.

TL;DR
-I am Lance, and a townie! Feel free to seer me if you doubt my claim!
-If what he says is true, and what KP confirms as well, SS7 is Ezio and is most likely town
What is it you want me to confirm?

And that concludes my post.

Thoughts?

 

[DragonClyne725]

@KP: I wanted you to confirm what information you had received from AT regarding SS7

Uhh... Not sure I even get what your saying to be honest

That was kind of a brain dump on my part. I'm guessing that the Imperials are close to winning, since PF5 was trying to stall for as much time as possible for his partner. Also I was trying to say that PF5 most likely defended me in order to make it look like I was his partner, trying to give his partner more time.

I welcome seer'ing as that seems to be the only way you can be sure that I am town.

 

[King Piplup]

@KP: I wanted you to confirm what information you had received from AT regarding SS7



That was kind of a brain dump on my part. I'm guessing that the Imperials are close to winning, since PF5 was trying to stall for as much time as possible for his partner. Also I was trying to say that PF5 most likely defended me in order to make it look like I was his partner, trying to give his partner more time.

I welcome seer'ing as that seems to be the only way you can be sure that I am town.

Ah, OK. I basically know he is secret obsessed and wears a black cloak.

 

[Sandslash7]

#2355

Just noticed something REALLY weird. On the front page Jpluice is colored blue (Town) while Kezzup is colored that odd purple (???????). Both were supposedly Jedi.
Not make sense?

@SS7
OK, I agree with your numbers. Your earlier theory explains the sudden collapse of Jedi numbers. The sith (Or those with the tattoo counting toward the total are probably Gallade, PCoPB (Tat), and one other true sith. (Scottistru, whose Seer ability would fit with them figuring out who was force sensitive?).

Would like to hear thoughts. In the mean time, going to try and figure out some roles based on WWXII. If some people's roles don't show, I think we may've found a lier or two.

Napoleon-Cynthia. WWXII Counterpart-Lil Magma-Red

Only thing is I'd like to see a Blue somewhere, preferably Lucian. Guess he wasn't included since nobody else fits the bill.

PokechampofPokebeach-Boba Fett. WWXII Counterpart-SS7


Commlink anybody? I think that would explain A LOT. Disagree anybody?


Sandslash7-Role Revealer Vigilante. WWXII Counterpart-DarthPika


Except as explained by him, he now has tweaked features to his role.

Gallade-Multiple Alignment Group Guy. WWXII Counterpart (At least as close as I could find) Also assuming he is 3rd party AKA Sith



Sibling, I don't think so. I more think siblings turned into simple (Now dissolved according to them) mason group. I also think Gallade couldn't be badged because of the fact that he was Sith. (If he is Sith)

Dragonclyne725-Imperial WWXII Counterpart-Not Relevant.
Counterpart Role-Any of a bottom tier wolf.


Thunderjolt-Deoxys WWXII Counterpart-Uhhh...maybe Jason/Ditto
I really don't have any idea here. The number of players did go up, so some roles had to be created instead of renovated. I think this is one of them.

Cardsmaster2004-Meditating Guy, maybe Seer? WWXII Counterpart-Dukefirebird/Timeforpain

Originally Posted by Absoltrainer

He also could be a created role, but with the rooms mechanic, I don't think it's possible to find anything specifically like his. He is town aligned though, so...

King Piplup-Special Forces Team #3 (#2 if you want to be technical...). WWXII Counterpart(s): Legotack, Fire Spin, Brawler1623 (AKA Pokemon Special Forces)
You can go look at their roles if you want, but they are nothing like mine, Ulti's and Magneboar's, so I'm not copying them.

Pikajew1213-Rifle Guy WWXII Counterpart: N/A
Nobody specific jumps out at me, but I will note that I'm starting to doubt that he is last man standing, since AT noted here that he would never have one of those roles again. May not have happened, but worth noting.

Jewelquest-Jolteon/Eevee WWXII Counterpart:Eevee's of the past
Another role I'm convinced hasn't previously existed, since I believe him to have evolved from Eevee like Baby Mario did into Leafeon. Thoughts?

Scottistru-No clue, Seer abilites. WWXII Counterpart:Team Black Hole (IF SITH), otherwise other seer.
Since I believe Sith have different extra abilities than Team Black Hole members of the past, I don't think any of them would provide valid information. With the number of pseudo-seers, I don't think it to absurd for the Sith to have one. If he is not Sith, see Cardz.

That's everybody!!

Now, for Dragonlyne's post-



And that concludes my post.

Thoughts?

Kezzup is purple/????? because he never remembered who he was. Thus, he never knew what his alignment/role was, nor was it ever revealed. (It was Jedi/Town and Luke, respectively, if we are to believe the Emperor)


Ikrit was Blue in WWXII. He was summarily killed Night 2, then resurrected by Mr. X late game. So you are correct. Red/Blue dichotomy is present.


Your line about PCPB's method of acquiring "jobs" is highly logical. I suspected this a couple days ago as well.


About Pikajew1213: I doubt he has a last man standing WC, but Mr. X THIS GAME had a last man standing WC. Though 2 seems a bit much.


Eevees have been around since the first WW game (I believe). Pretty logical. They have the ability to evolve into different forms based on the choices of the player. Leafeon/Glaceon/Umbreon/Espeon, then the traditional three.



Its pretty obvious that Scottistru is NOT the Imperial. Scottistru was the datapad guy, clearly completely different.


Shoutouts:

Cardzmaster2004 ~ I know from the Pokemon Playoff Party (or whatever) thread that you are swamped right now. But I don't know why you've just decided to stop playing entirely. You could have at least posted once saying that you were super busy. You have been shown to be town, so at least say what you've done all game. We KNOW you have a role. You also WEREN'T in the barracks Night 7, so what were you doing? What has your role done at all? Do you have some sort of information garnering ability? It takes maybe a half an hour to type of a semi-legitimate post and let the town know that you still are trying to help us win. You don't even have to write in full sentences!

It would also be helpful to see if you still hold to being the Gallade. That is what you seem to be intimating by your post during Day 6.


Pikajew1213 ~ You need to give us some info about you. What are you waiting for? Who do you want to kill? What does your role do?

 

[gallade]

dragonclyne, you claimed I haven't done much for the town...
I singlehandidly killed benzo, and you say i haven't done anything?

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

dragonclyne, you claimed I haven't done much for the town...
I singlehandidly killed benzo, and you say i haven't done anything?

Why wouldn't you do this? Benzo was empire and you're a sith. Just because you killed one of our enemies doesn't make you a townie. In fact, that you have the ability to kill people I think almost confirms that you are a sith.

Also, a thought on Pikajew. If he had the ability to be make seer-reads appear "null", so to speak, might that not be interpreted as "no malicious intent"? Absol probably wouldn't just say, "I can neither confirm nor deny Pikajew's identity", because that would be pretty obvious that a role is preventing him from giving out this information.

 

[JewelQuest]

Lots of big posts.....

Ok, lets say that Dragonclyne ISN'T the last imperial. If so, then Lance could be Cynthia's "rival", as he is another champion. But I a NOT holding my breath for that one. It also would mean we are running out people to point fingers at. It is almost a 1/11 chance to actually lynch an enemy at this point.
We've been lucky that the enemy seems to have been dropping the ball and having a hard time disguising themselves for the last few game days. Now they've picked it back up again.

Right now, we have to think. Imperial, or Sith?

My list would be this:

Town:

JewelQuest, Jolteon
Cardzmaster2004, Meditating man
Napoleon, Cynthia
Sandslash7

Indie:

PokeChampofPokeBeach, Wobba fett. Somehow I have a hard time believing that an indie is town aligned...
PikaJew1213, Claims to be gun dude, and Scott claims it too.

Leans town:
Scottistru, Claims seer role, and I think he was cleared by Redados. Still not sure, though.
King Piplup, Special Forces guy. Don't know why, but I just have a bad feeling about you...
Dragonclyne725, Claims Lance. Is under suspicion because PF5 protected you...Still not sure about.
Thunderjolt, Claims Deoyxs. Not sure about ya.

Suspicious:

gallade, Claims Jedi, but the update says that the Jedi are finished. Possible Sith.

Did I miss anyone?

Today I am willing to give gallade the benefit of doubt(Unless everyone wishes to lynch him). If so, then I'll use my role on him game night.

JewelQuest over and out.

 

[Scottistru]

Why wouldn't you do this? Benzo was empire and you're a sith. Just because you killed one of our enemies doesn't make you a townie. In fact, that you have the ability to kill people I think almost confirms that you are a sith.

Also, a thought on Pikajew. If he had the ability to be make seer-reads appear "null", so to speak, might that not be interpreted as "no malicious intent"? Absol probably wouldn't just say, "I can neither confirm nor deny Pikajew's identity", because that would be pretty obvious that a role is preventing him from giving out this information.

First of all, what? Did you even read the game? He claimed a seer role with a guilty on benzo, not nk him or anything like that.
Secondly, no. When I seered Ikrit I was told that my role succeeded but I got no information. With pikajew, I got a specific description including the "no malicious intent" phrase, with other supporting info.
I really think the right play, one most likely to hit sith, is to
Vote: gallade