Werewolf xvi the rise of team plasma: Town wins

[ultimatedra]

PM on the other hand is just acting weird, and in my opinion, overly defensive. After I called him out, he posted 18 minutes later, and it was speculated by Pikamaster that he might have been lurking. So soon after that is posted, he tries (this is just one of the ideas that occurred to me. I could be completely wrong.) to deflect the attention onto ultimatedra using examples of supposedly weird behavior. And if I am correct about that (I already said that it was just a theory and that I could be completely wrong) then that actually is a wolfy thing to do. So PMysterious, could you tell me why you made that post against ultimatedra?

And I would like to point out that he never responded to the post I made about him. And actually, I would like it if he would do that.

Of course I realize that all of this could be because he's a new player, I'm always going to keep that in mind. But I do want to hear what he has to say about this.

And no, I am not defending dave628. I just feel that PMysterious should be examined more before we move onto another lynch candidate.

In the bold section you want to have a response - is that for PM or me? I went back and didn't see a question towards me so I am assuming that it was for PM.

Anyway I will be playing regionals in the morning so this is my last post for the next 24 hours.

I hope I win!

 

[desufnoc]

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Having read through the 1st Game day involving FMJ, I really don’t think PM is acting the same way. PM is on the track to get going that way, though…

We have about another 48ish hours left in the game day.

We should, in the next 24ish hours or so, probably decide as a group who we want to day-one lynch.

Also in the next 24 I’d like to hear back from Benzo about the lie he might have found; hear from Dave with SOME ort of defence, and hear from PM as to why we shouldn’t lynch him.

I think I’m leaning towards the Dave camp, but I’m still a bit in the grey area for what to do.


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Just as an aside, Scottistru; I used the whole “If I was scum I’d be easier to read down the line so keep me” approach and nobody fell for it. Yet it falls squarely into your list for PM’s lynch pro/cons.

Also, speaking of your list:
“May be hard to read in the future”
and
“will be easier to read and control in the future”
[FONT=&quot]are right next to each other, one as a pro, one as [/FONT]

I agree with picking someone to lynch in the next 24 hrs. So who are our canidates? People who have already been voted for?

 

[orcmonkey2000]

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@Scottisru: That's a good point, considering that Dave is making some off-base posts, not taking sides, and trying to target Diaz even though that's how he usually plays. (From what I know) Very wolfy. I'm keeping my eye on you Dave628.

Very nice. Completely ignore the fact that a lot of attention and accusations have been pointed your way for scummy behavior, and blatantly attempt to redirect the attention elsewhere as soon as another viable Day 1 lynch arises. Gotta say, you're not doing much to change my opinion of you... That being said though, my offer still stands: give a valid explanation of why your actions make sense in terms of you being a townie, and I will retract my vote.

Scottistru: While I appreciate your pros/cons post, I believe that so far PM has demonstrated more distinctly scummy behavior than dave. At the very least, it seems that dave tried to answer some of the accusations thrown up against him...PM has not.

Accusations/concerns/questions PM has not made any effort to respond to yet:

Just for the record, PMysterious posting 8 minutes after Jellyfisher calls him out with a kinda useless post, to me, seems like he's been lurking. Lynch worthy? No. But something to note.

And still, after that you said how weird ultimatedra was being, with examples (except for the challenge thing) that weren't weird at all. And on top of that, you voted for him without giving him a chance to respond to your challenge. Removing it so soon after JewelQuest commented on it was a weird thing to do as well. Were you trying to get her to unvote you?

And finally, we have your random challenges you made in that one post. If they are not part of your role, (I assume they are not since nothing happened) then why did you do them?

It seems PMysterious has taken on that role [the hinky-playing, best day 1 lynch noob] in this game. I'm not going to insist of a defence, because that could bait him into an unwise role reveal (which should really be a last resort). However, I would like to see some kind of positive contribution from him pretty quickly.

PMysterious, seriously? If you wanted to sell me on your innocence, you would've come back with something that at least makes sense... I've got to say that the post you just made was absolutely useless in the way of defending yourself, and to be honest, it sold me on voting you. Newbie or not, your play has been inexcusably scum like.

My reason for voting you is because of the fact that your reason for challenging(and voting) Ultimtedra was absolutely ridiculous. I am still waiting for you to fully explain yourself on that before I unvote, and even then I am not so sure I will.

New wolf nerves?
Townies not nervous.

PMysterious, it honestly looks a lot like you're a wolf, jussayin'. You voted for Ultimatedra to primarily get pressure off of yourself and turn eyes another direction, which is a very wolf-ish tactic. I know you're a new player here, but some explanation would be nice.

How is changing his profile picture weird? And if I am correct, he never said that he was a trainer, that was cabd. And still, why is it probably false that he's a trainer? In fact, the only thing he did that is weird on this list is challenge cabd.

You're sort of starting to jump around now. You start out by saying how weird ultimatedra has been acting (most of the things you stated weren't even weird) and then you vote for him. Then, as soon as someone says that you should have waited until he responded to your challenge to vote for him, you unvote him.

PM on the other hand is just acting weird, and in my opinion, overly defensive. After I called him out, he posted 18 minutes later, and it was speculated by Pikamaster that he might have been lurking. So soon after that is posted, he tries (this is just one of the ideas that occurred to me. I could be completely wrong.) to deflect the attention onto ultimatedra using examples of supposedly weird behavior. And if I am correct about that (I already said that it was just a theory and that I could be completely wrong) then that actually is a wolfy thing to do. So PMysterious, could you tell me why you made that post against ultimatedra?

And I would like to point out that he never responded to the post I made about him. And actually, I would like it if he would do that.

And in lieu of actually responding to the above concerns/questions, he has (at least twice now) blatantly tried to divert attention from himself onto other players:

I can consider that ultimatedra has been acting kinda weird. Has anyone else noticed that? I mean he changed his profile picture, says he's a trainer (Even though that's probably false), and challenged cabd for no reason. For those reasons, Challenge: ultimatedra (If he doesn't accept, Vote: ultimatedra)

@Scottisru: That's a good point, considering that Dave is making some off-base posts, not taking sides, and trying to target Diaz even though that's how he usually plays. (From what I know) Very wolfy. I'm keeping my eye on you Dave628.

In addition to these, his weird and illogical postings have already been covered by other posts, but for convenience' sake I've included a couple of the more notable ones.

@JewelQuest: If you insist. Unvote: Ultimatedra

My point is that I am innocent in all standards. The offence of three of you and the annoyance of Diaz is not good enough for me to back down at all. If you have better reasons to vote for me, explain or just unvote.
Challenge: Jellyfisher, JewelQuest, and orcmonkey 2000 at the same time.

Cancel Challenge: Jellyfisher + OrcMonkey2000
@:JewelQuest: I want to cancel this one too but I have no choice now that you accepted.

While the last three posts really don't demonstrate much of anything other than that PM gets nervous under pressure, when combined with all the other evidence listed above, the question might be asked--why is he so nervous in the first place? If he's a townie, all he'd have to do is answer our questions and concerns honestly, and moderate his play a little.

But if he's a wolf, there's really not much for him to say, having been already caught in the act trying to accuse ultimatedra of scummy behavior when the latter's actions weren't, in fact, strange at all.

Personally, I smell a wolf.

 

[Scottistru]

@cabd: Okay, that was a bad example, but the point still stands, and PM reads exactly like someone else I've read before, but can't place, perhaps it was barkjon. I don't know why I can't remember, but PM still reads town to me; I know this has happened before.
Yes, I'm aware the pros and cons are almost the reverse of each other, and I considered just putting dave's and saying PM's were exactly the opposite, but that only seemed more confusing, and less acurate.

I won't have internet the rest of today until tonight, but should be able to get online one more time tomorrow to vote.

 

[PMysterious]

Okay. I'll be 100% honest about these answers.
1: (Are you lurking?) I'm trying to think about any possibilities that could happen. Against me or not, I still wanna make sure that the game is going to be fun.
2. (Were you trying to get her to unvote you?) Yes, as I really like her and want to be in this game for as long as she's around. If she dies, then my Jedi Jigglypuff pre-game rescue would go to waste.
3. (If they are not part of your role, (I assume they are not since nothing happened) then why did you do them?) Because I think that maybe some part of the story would so the game is more entertaining.
4. (I would like to see some kind of positive contribution from him pretty quickly.( Well, being my first game and having early pressure put on me, it really has been a hassle trying to defend myself. But the idea is I'm trying to be as positive as possible.
5. (Newbie or not, your play has been inexcusably scum like.) I am a new player! I've said this before and I'll say it again so I'm not really thinking straight. If I wasn't. I would have learned from my mistakes in the past and play 10 times better.
6. ( I am still waiting for you to fully explain yourself on challenging Ultimatedra.) I honestly think that was a mistake on my part as I was really using what I understood and not what was a fact. Townsperson or not, I had my suspicion on him before I was thinking straight. (Which is now.)
7. ( New wolf nerves? Townies not nervous.) I think that's the wrong idea. Every single Werewolf game, a new player gets lynched Day 1. The people that lacked posts early in the game get nervous. Its more of "New Player Nerves".
8. (it honestly looks a lot like you're a wolf, jussayin') I thought they were WereWolves, but okay. Most new players act like DragonClyne when he was the last Werewolf in WWXV because of the fact since they lack experience, they have no real good defences. That should explain why I'm acting like a wolf.
9. ( How is changing his profile picture weird?) I it was against the rule and changing it was weird to me. Nuff said.
10. ( why is it probably false that he's a trainer?) I would honestly say that it was from what I know. Not from facts.
11. ( So PMysterious, could you tell me why you made that post against ultimatedra?) I don't know, it was weird to me too when I read it over after getting voted for by JewelQuest. Now I regret that post.
12. (why are you so nervous in the first place?) It is my first game and I am worried about some of the possibilities that could happen including the "Take Down PMysterious Bandwagon" thing that might happen. Overall, I was just worried and nervous. But after answering these, I don't feel either anymore. I'm just hoping that certain people will read this and understand what it feels like being one of those new players that doesn't know how to start right.

 

[dave628]

The reason why I have not jumped on PMysterious is that I feel that new players should have at least 1 day to 2 days to get their "feet wet" and figure out their play style. I am willing to let him make a few mistakes. We all were newbs at some point, and at some point wanted at least 1 day to learn the game and get feel for the game. I am trying to be very fair towards PMysterious and other new players. Now some people might ask me why I did not immediately defend PMysterious when everyone begin to make accusation against him for his mistakes. From past experience I did not want get a headache from arguing with Darthpika, who feels that if a new player makes one mistake he should be gone.

I was so harsh on DragonClyne725 is because he has played this game before and yet was very inactive for the first few real days. Why sign up for the game if you are not going to do anything meaningful during the game day? At that time I did not realize he was on a camping trip. I was just about to ask the moderators to replace either DragonClyne725 or Lil Magma with either Wayneegg or Napoleon as either players will be far more active than DragonClyne725 or Lil Magma. The game is more fun when every player is fully engaged into the game.

From my past experiences with Werewolf games, most speech roles were town aligned. Werewolf XV was the first werewolf game that I participated in which a werewolf has a speech role. Thus, it would not surprise me if a werewolf decides to fake a speech role so that he or she appears town. My previous posts toward Diaz have implied message of "I am watching you closely". Those posts were not outright accusation that he was wolf. If they were, then I would have back up those posts with a vote for Diaz.

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

@ My accusers:

I stand by what I have said. I do not think there is anything wolfy about my posts at all, though I can see why you are concerned so I shall attempt to clarify. It was my belief at the time that PMysterious is a townie. His mistakes to me seem like the mistakes of Magneboar and FJM in previous games, which was Scottistru's point. While I did say those things and they're probably still relevant, it is my belief that he is a townie. Furthermore, I don't understand why I look suspicious to you. Please keep in mind, I haven't cast a single vote all game day. I think I have the right to change my opinion, don't I?

Furthermore, my posts DO NOT contradict each other, if you read them carefully. I will quote myself:

@ #372 :

I fail to see how a someone who votes for players because they are going on vacation, or because they cast a vote against him, or for any other numerous amount of reasons that are, if we are all being honest here, completely ridiculous and baseless can do anything but be completely destructive to the game. Diaz could just as easily be a Werewolf and his playstyle would effectively conceal that. How can you tell if someone made a slip-up when every post that Diaz makes is borderline trolling? If Diaz were a wolf, I want to know DarthPika how you could tell. What would give it away? Every post he makes is more useless than the next. I repeat, how can you tell?

Though I agree that, all in all, PMysterious is probably the best candidate for the lynch at the moment. But I'm not going to just write off Diaz' play because he does the same thing every game. I agree with Cantor, he lied to us. Deceit isn't exactly a quality of the innocent.

PMysterious is PROBABLY the best candidate for the lynch AT THE MOMENT. That is not overtly committal AT ALL, I do not even back it up with a vote, WHICH SIGNIFIES THAT I A NEVER FLIP-FLOPPED. I was never sold to begin with of PMysterious' wolfishness.

I have to agree with DP for now. While I still don't like the way Diaz plays, I have to agree, no matter whose side he is on, he does know what he is doing. Can't say the same for PMysterious.

Again, I do not condemn him as a Werewolf nor do I cast a vote in an attempt to seal his fate. My only statement that I made was that he does not know what he is doing, which is true, he is a newer player and is getting grilled for making awful posts. Does that make him a Werewolf, I do not know.

@ Scottistru: Good point, I gotta agree despite his lack of skill PMysterious does read complete townie to me.

And the final post which got me some controversy apparently, even though when you consider I never explicitly jumped on the bandwagon against PMysterious it really doesn't seem so bad to me (to me at least).

To summarize...

--I do NOT feel that PMysterious is a Werewolf. To me he seems like a townie with a nerve problem. His play resembles the play of Magneboar and FJM in other games and I do not buy that he is a Werewolf. Does that mean he is not one? Maybe, maybe not. He could be, for all I know. Which leads to my next point...

--Despite the fact he is probably a townie, are there any better leads? Is dave's play really condemning enough to consider voting him out at this stage? Is Diaz a viable vote? I do not think so. So point number three

--All things considered, despite my belief PMysterious is a townie, I do not think there is a better lead at this point of the game.

If you misunderstood me as advocating for PMysterious, I am not. I think he should probably be lynched off. It is my belief that he is a townie, but this is from personal experience and a mixture of gut feeling and not based on any evidence aside from Scottistru's IMO excellent post. If I missed anything, lmk. If I hit the nail on the head, then I kindly ask you to unvote me.

 

[PMysterious]

Dave, you are no longer on the (I'm watching you) list. You saved yourself from me or others voting for you. Good job.

 

[jellyfisher]

11. ( So PMysterious, could you tell me why you made that post against ultimatedra?) I don't know, it was weird to me too when I read it over after getting voted for by JewelQuest. Now I regret that post.

You should. I think that is going to be one of the posts that people will be able whenever they make an argument against you. It really was a wolfy thing to do. And while its good you responded to my post we still need to lynch someone. And with this post...

Dave, you are no longer on the (I'm watching you) list. You saved yourself from me or others voting for you. Good job.

I doesn't seem like you want to lynch dave628 anymore. I can't say I'm surprised. As soon as I saw how much he was defending you, I knew that you wouldn't support lynching him.

So if you don't want to lynch dave628, then who do you think we should lynch?

The reason why I have not jumped on PMysterious is that I feel that new players should have at least 1 day to 2 days to get their "feet wet" and figure out their play style. I am willing to let him make a few mistakes. We all were newbs at some point, and at some point wanted at least 1 day to learn the game and get feel for the game. I am trying to be very fair towards PMysterious and other new players. Now some people might ask me why I did not immediately defend PMysterious when everyone begin to make accusation against him for his mistakes. From past experience I did not want get a headache from arguing with Darthpika, who feels that if a new player makes one mistake he should be gone.

From this post, I don't think dave628 is a wolf. Seriously, there are only two lynch candidates currently, and he is one of them. If he really were a wolf, why would he go so far to defend the other? I think that if he were a wolf, he would be trying to get PM lynched. The only reason defending PM would make sense if dave628 were a wolf, would be if PM was also a wolf.

So for now, I'm thinking that dave628 is probably not a wolf.

 

[orcmonkey2000]

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Okay. I'll be 100% honest about these answers.
1: (Are you lurking?) I'm trying to think about any possibilities that could happen. Against me or not, I still wanna make sure that the game is going to be fun.
2. (Were you trying to get her to unvote you?) Yes, as I really like her and want to be in this game for as long as she's around. If she dies, then my Jedi Jigglypuff pre-game rescue would go to waste.
3. (If they are not part of your role, (I assume they are not since nothing happened) then why did you do them?) Because I think that maybe some part of the story would so the game is more entertaining.
4. (I would like to see some kind of positive contribution from him pretty quickly.( Well, being my first game and having early pressure put on me, it really has been a hassle trying to defend myself. But the idea is I'm trying to be as positive as possible.
5. (Newbie or not, your play has been inexcusably scum like.) I am a new player! I've said this before and I'll say it again so I'm not really thinking straight. If I wasn't. I would have learned from my mistakes in the past and play 10 times better.
6. ( I am still waiting for you to fully explain yourself on challenging Ultimatedra.) I honestly think that was a mistake on my part as I was really using what I understood and not what was a fact. Townsperson or not, I had my suspicion on him before I was thinking straight. (Which is now.)
7. ( New wolf nerves? Townies not nervous.) I think that's the wrong idea. Every single Werewolf game, a new player gets lynched Day 1. The people that lacked posts early in the game get nervous. Its more of "New Player Nerves".
8. (it honestly looks a lot like you're a wolf, jussayin') I thought they were WereWolves, but okay. Most new players act like DragonClyne when he was the last Werewolf in WWXV because of the fact since they lack experience, they have no real good defences. That should explain why I'm acting like a wolf.
9. ( How is changing his profile picture weird?) I it was against the rule and changing it was weird to me. Nuff said.
10. ( why is it probably false that he's a trainer?) I would honestly say that it was from what I know. Not from facts.
11. ( So PMysterious, could you tell me why you made that post against ultimatedra?) I don't know, it was weird to me too when I read it over after getting voted for by JewelQuest. Now I regret that post.
12. (why are you so nervous in the first place?) It is my first game and I am worried about some of the possibilities that could happen including the "Take Down PMysterious Bandwagon" thing that might happen. Overall, I was just worried and nervous. But after answering these, I don't feel either anymore. I'm just hoping that certain people will read this and understand what it feels like being one of those new players that doesn't know how to start right.

Well, there ya go. In future, I would suggest that you try to respond to these sorts of things as they come up, rather than waiting for them to pile up. It only increases suspicion on you at the moment, and it makes it look worse if you get defensive without providing any logical answers. As DP said to me:

Getting too emotional is exactly the kind of thing that will get you lynched.

While my suspicions have not been completely satisfied, and likely won't be until you play more reasonably for a couple days, this is a start, and a promise is a promise.

UNVOTE: PMysterious

I'm still watching you, but I choose to believe that you're telling the truth about new player nerves. Just keep in mind that from here on out, that excuse will not fly with me anymore, and neither will it with most of the other players. Don't let yourself get overwhelmed when someone accuses you, play with a cool head, think before you answer questions, don't get emotional or defensive, and try to have a logical, well thought out reason for every post you make, so that way if you are challenged, you can respond without looking suspicious. If you try doing that, you'll almost certainly make it further than you would on the road you were on. Good luck!

P.S.: One more hint: Don't speak for everyone else. Dave has not necessarily cleared himself of suspicion in the other players' eyes yet.

Dave, you are no longer on the (I'm watching you) list. You saved yourself from me or others voting for you. Good job.

 

[Cardzmaster2004]

Votes to lynch : 16!

Vote count:

Diaz (2): sdrawkcab, Cantor
Sdrawkcab (1): Diaz
Dave628 (2): pokemonfreak5, scottistru
Pmysterious (2): jellyfisher, jewelquest
PokeChampOfPokeBeach (1): jpulice

Continue play!

~Cardz.

 

[JewelQuest]

Well, finally we get a good post from PM. It is enough for me to unvote you...for now.

Unvote: PMysterious

I still have my eye on you, though.

I have no idea what to think about PokeChampofPokeBeach or Dave628. Both of them have been acting a bit weird(PokeChampofPokeBeach not so much as Dave), and they can't say that it is Newbie Nerves.

I have noticed that Diaz seems to have suddenly quieted down.....What's with that? One moment he was bouncing around annoying everyone(Except for maybe a few people that are used to him...) and now he's almost disappeared.

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

^ In my opinion I haven't acted weird. I was never completely convinced of PMysterious being a wolf in the first place. That's why I never voted. If I haven't voted for someone yet, everything is hypothetical. In my opinion, using the same logic, people who actually vote for a person and take it back are more suspicious than I. Ridiculous, you say? Well, so are the accusations against me! I don't see why I haven't even cast a vote and all of a sudden I'm supposed to "explain myself". I mean, really? I think I've played a completely rational game so far!

The one little thing I said that might be misconstrued as suspicious is that I said my read of him is complete townie. I don't know if this is what the big deal is all about. Let me clarify that my read of someone is based purely on the "feeling" I get from someone's playstyle. Scottistru made an excellent post about similar lynches in the past and I analyzed PMysterious' posts and decided I felt the same way. I mean, Scottistru said it, not me. Don't know why I'm taking the heat honestly.

Same goes to you Jewelquest. You say I've acted weird? Prove it. Tell me what I've done that isn't optimal. Because I don't see it, sorry. I mean, my accuser is limited to five lines per post. It's very hard to figure out what someone is accusing you for when they can't even fully formulate a though. :/ You however aren't affected by that restriction, so if you would please enlighten me as to where I went wrong, I would be most gracious.

 

[DragonClyne725]

Just finished unpacking, and ready to jump in!

I think I'll start by summarizing what has happened so far (This is as much for my benefit as it is for yours since I've just finished reading through what's been going on).

P.S., in case you haven't noticed from last game, I like summarizing things. I think it helps clear up things and focus us more.

Comments in red


Summary of Day One (so far)

-Diaz acts weird by posting random songs and sporting a Daffy Duck-like accent (both fake roles)
-Very effective in starting conversation.
-ultimatedra "challenges" cabd
-Nothing really important, people are always "shooting" and whatevering each other Day 1
-AAM provides us with a mini-cut scene of ultimatedra and cabd about to face off, but are stopped by a curly-brown haired man. Note that AAM calls both ultimatedra and cabd trainers.
-Interesting, either AAM is playing around and makes a cut-scene just for fun, or this might be a part of ultimatedra's role. Only time will tell. Note that other people have been unable to challenge others
-jpulice appears to only be able to speak in "3"s.
-Absoltrainer speaks strangely
-Possibility of non-trainer roles by Prohawk (possibly has a non-trainer role, or knows of someone who has one)
-PMysterious acting mysterious (more on that further down)
-Props to cabd for posting a link to mafiascum.net
-DarthPika wants to kill off n00bs (says it is in best interest of the town)
-JQ can type really fast
-Scottistru connects similarities between PM's actions and FJM (who was Town)
-Dave takes some heat, but I think defends himself pretty well

Alright, I know I'm jumping in a little late, but onto the topic of PM. Here is a list of some of PM's actions and my comments to them in blue:

-Starts by asking whether Day 1 is important or not, receives a "not really" from Barkjon and a "sometimes" from cabd, and then goes silent.
-I think that because PM received a general "no" answer, PM didn't feel it was fully necessary to post

-Is called out by jellyfisher, and responds 18 minutes later
-Posts 12 minutes later with a challenge AND a vote for ultimatedra
-Is voted for 7 minutes later by JewelQuest, and responds to it 5 minutes later by unvoting ultimatedra
-Honestly, I think that PM might have been lurking a little, but that doesn't make him a wolf. Last game, I lurked a little too, mainly because I didn't have a play style and I wanted to watch others play before making posts myself (Well, I WAS a wolf last game, but I'm just trying to say that it's not JUST wolves that lurk, new players may lurk as well)

General note to all players, but more for new players: Lurking is not helpful! Don't do it!

-Claims to have saved JQ's life on Stark Mountain in pre-game
-Is this from the Anime or something? I couldn't find anything about this from what AAM has posted.

In my opinion, PM is acting like a normal new player would act: lurking a little, losing his cool and getting jumpy and challenging people who vote for him, etc. I think we all just need to chill and give him a break for now. I am not sure whether PM is a wolf or not, but I am all for giving the new player another day.

Anyway, seeing as how you have yet to post: Vote: Lil_Magma

 

[Barkjon]

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Very impressive post, DragonClyne. I appreciate it.

I think that PM defended himself quite well, so I at least will stop being hard on him. DragonClyne's post brought to my attention that Lil_Magma has been inactive, so I think pressuring him may be in order.
Posted with Mobile style...

 

[jpulice]

I can consider that ultimatedra has been acting kinda weird. Has anyone else noticed that? I mean he changed his profile picture, says he's a trainer (Even though that's probably false), and challenged cabd for no reason. For those reasons, Challenge: ultimatedra (If he doesn't accept, Vote: ultimatedra)

How is changing his profile picture weird? And if I am correct, he never said that he was a trainer, that was cabd. And still, why is it probably false that he's a trainer? In fact, the only thing he did that is weird on this list is challenge cabd.

10. ( why is it probably false that he's a trainer?) I would honestly say that it was from what I know. Not from facts.

YOU KNOW ULTI
ISN'T A TRAINER?
Please explain why.

@ My accusers:
To summarize...

--I do NOT feel that PMysterious is a Werewolf. To me he seems like a townie with a nerve problem. His play resembles the play of Magneboar and FJM in other games and I do not buy that he is a Werewolf. Does that mean he is not one? Maybe, maybe not. He could be, for all I know. Which leads to my next point...

--Despite the fact he is probably a townie, are there any better leads? Is dave's play really condemning enough to consider voting him out at this stage? Is Diaz a viable vote? I do not think so. So point number three

--All things considered, despite my belief PMysterious is a townie, I do not think there is a better lead at this point of the game.

If you misunderstood me as advocating for PMysterious, I am not. I think he should probably be lynched off. It is my belief that he is a townie, but this is from personal experience and a mixture of gut feeling and not based on any evidence aside from Scottistru's IMO excellent post. If I missed anything, lmk. If I hit the nail on the head, then I kindly ask you to unvote me.

This is advocating
a lynch though.

 

[JewelQuest]

^ In my opinion I haven't acted weird. I was never completely convinced of PMysterious being a wolf in the first place. That's why I never voted. If I haven't voted for someone yet, everything is hypothetical. In my opinion, using the same logic, people who actually vote for a person and take it back are more suspicious than I. Ridiculous, you say? Well, so are the accusations against me! I don't see why I haven't even cast a vote and all of a sudden I'm supposed to "explain myself". I mean, really? I think I've played a completely rational game so far!

The one little thing I said that might be misconstrued as suspicious is that I said my read of him is complete townie. I don't know if this is what the big deal is all about. Let me clarify that my read of someone is based purely on the "feeling" I get from someone's playstyle. Scottistru made an excellent post about similar lynches in the past and I analyzed PMysterious' posts and decided I felt the same way. I mean, Scottistru said it, not me. Don't know why I'm taking the heat honestly.

Same goes to you Jewelquest. You say I've acted weird? Prove it. Tell me what I've done that isn't optimal. Because I don't see it, sorry. I mean, my accuser is limited to five lines per post. It's very hard to figure out what someone is accusing you for when they can't even fully formulate a though. :/ You however aren't affected by that restriction, so if you would please enlighten me as to where I went wrong, I would be most gracious.

I'm mostly building off of what others have said, and I agree that the only 'weird' thing you've done is really the sorta of contradiction between your various posts. (At least that I've seen) I wasn't trying to accuse you, I was just basically summarizing what I had noticed.

Just finished unpacking, and ready to jump in!

I think I'll start by summarizing what has happened so far (This is as much for my benefit as it is for yours since I've just finished reading through what's been going on).

P.S., in case you haven't noticed from last game, I like summarizing things. I think it helps clear up things and focus us more.

Comments in red


Summary of Day One (so far)

-Diaz acts weird by posting random songs and sporting a Daffy Duck-like accent (both fake roles)
-Very effective in starting conversation.
-ultimatedra "challenges" cabd
-Nothing really important, people are always "shooting" and whatevering each other Day 1
-AAM provides us with a mini-cut scene of ultimatedra and cabd about to face off, but are stopped by a curly-brown haired man. Note that AAM calls both ultimatedra and cabd trainers.
-Interesting, either AAM is playing around and makes a cut-scene just for fun, or this might be a part of ultimatedra's role. Only time will tell. Note that other people have been unable to challenge others
-jpulice appears to only be able to speak in "3"s.
-Absoltrainer speaks strangely
-Possibility of non-trainer roles by Prohawk (possibly has a non-trainer role, or knows of someone who has one)
-PMysterious acting mysterious (more on that further down)
-Props to cabd for posting a link to mafiascum.net
-DarthPika wants to kill off n00bs (says it is in best interest of the town)
-JQ can type really fast
-Scottistru connects similarities between PM's actions and FJM (who was Town)
-Dave takes some heat, but I think defends himself pretty well

Alright, I know I'm jumping in a little late, but onto the topic of PM. Here is a list of some of PM's actions and my comments to them in blue:

-Starts by asking whether Day 1 is important or not, receives a "not really" from Barkjon and a "sometimes" from cabd, and then goes silent.
-I think that because PM received a general "no" answer, PM didn't feel it was fully necessary to post

-Is called out by jellyfisher, and responds 18 minutes later
-Posts 12 minutes later with a challenge AND a vote for ultimatedra
-Is voted for 7 minutes later by JewelQuest, and responds to it 5 minutes later by unvoting ultimatedra
-Honestly, I think that PM might have been lurking a little, but that doesn't make him a wolf. Last game, I lurked a little too, mainly because I didn't have a play style and I wanted to watch others play before making posts myself (Well, I WAS a wolf last game, but I'm just trying to say that it's not JUST wolves that lurk, new players may lurk as well)

General note to all players, but more for new players: Lurking is not helpful! Don't do it!

-Claims to have saved JQ's life on Stark Mountain in pre-game
-Is this from the Anime or something? I couldn't find anything about this from what AAM has posted.

In my opinion, PM is acting like a normal new player would act: lurking a little, losing his cool and getting jumpy and challenging people who vote for him, etc. I think we all just need to chill and give him a break for now. I am not sure whether PM is a wolf or not, but I am all for giving the new player another day.

Anyway, seeing as how you have yet to post: Vote: Lil_Magma

The Stark Mountain thing was pre-game. We sorta played spam-the-Werewolf-thread before the game started. I ended up on Stark Mountain, and he "saved me" from it exploding. We were messing around.

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Very impressive post, DragonClyne. I appreciate it.

I think that PM defended himself quite well, so I at least will stop being hard on him. DragonClyne's post brought to my attention that Lil_Magma has been inactive, so I think pressuring him may be in order.
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Yeah, right now Lil' Magma is the only one who hasn't posted......So for now I'll vote: Lil' Magma

 

[Sandslash7]

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Orcmonkey2000 ~ Impressive. You outlined a good case. If you look back at my posts from last game, what I asked players to do was to outline, explicitly, a point-by-point case for their reasons for voting for someone. I'm glad you are not a complete newbie at this game, but have taken some time to think through your actions before posting.

PMysterious~ Good post. This is how you SHOULD have played earlier, as others have said.

DC725 ~ I liked what you said in red above. So far none of the other challenges (PMysterious[PM from now on]~JQ) have had any cut-scenes for them. I think it is logical that Ultimatedra has "Challenge" as part of his role. That seems a given. The "Shoot"s and the other Challenges must be red herrings, UNLESS there may only be ONE challenge per day.

jpulice ~ Good point about PM/Ultimatedra.

Cantor(368) ~ Interesting. LaL is definitely a good play. I'm not completely convinced right now that it is the best play at the moment. I'm definitely keeping an eye on Diaz.



Diaz, you have seemed to sink into a dark abyss, refraining from posting much else. Pourquoi? (why?)

Lil_Magma is disappointing me to no end. He is a strong player. But don't join and then only participate at Night. As Jpulice/others mentioned: This is a Social Game. Play it like one.

 

[JewelQuest]

Jason also seems to have disappeared.....Or is this normal?

 

[Scottistru]

@ My accusers:

I stand by what I have said. I do not think there is anything wolfy about my posts at all, though I can see why you are concerned so I shall attempt to clarify. It was my belief at the time that PMysterious is a townie. His mistakes to me seem like the mistakes of Magneboar and FJM in previous games, which was Scottistru's point. While I did say those things and they're probably still relevant, it is my belief that he is a townie. Furthermore, I don't understand why I look suspicious to you. Please keep in mind, I haven't cast a single vote all game day. I think I have the right to change my opinion, don't I?

Furthermore, my posts DO NOT contradict each other, if you read them carefully. I will quote myself:



PMysterious is PROBABLY the best candidate for the lynch AT THE MOMENT. That is not overtly committal AT ALL, I do not even back it up with a vote, WHICH SIGNIFIES THAT I A NEVER FLIP-FLOPPED. I was never sold to begin with of PMysterious' wolfishness.



Again, I do not condemn him as a Werewolf nor do I cast a vote in an attempt to seal his fate. My only statement that I made was that he does not know what he is doing, which is true, he is a newer player and is getting grilled for making awful posts. Does that make him a Werewolf, I do not know.



And the final post which got me some controversy apparently, even though when you consider I never explicitly jumped on the bandwagon against PMysterious it really doesn't seem so bad to me (to me at least).

To summarize...

--I do NOT feel that PMysterious is a Werewolf. To me he seems like a townie with a nerve problem. His play resembles the play of Magneboar and FJM in other games and I do not buy that he is a Werewolf. Does that mean he is not one? Maybe, maybe not. He could be, for all I know. Which leads to my next point...

--Despite the fact he is probably a townie, are there any better leads? Is dave's play really condemning enough to consider voting him out at this stage? Is Diaz a viable vote? I do not think so. So point number three

--All things considered, despite my belief PMysterious is a townie, I do not think there is a better lead at this point of the game.

If you misunderstood me as advocating for PMysterious, I am not. I think he should probably be lynched off. It is my belief that he is a townie, but this is from personal experience and a mixture of gut feeling and not based on any evidence aside from Scottistru's IMO excellent post. If I missed anything, lmk. If I hit the nail on the head, then I kindly ask you to unvote me.

Unvote:dave628
Vote: pokechampofpokebeach
Sheeping, bandwagoning, and refusing to take a solid stance. I still have my eye on Dave thought.
@people voting lilmagma: don't. He will be replaced, and lynching him is no better than a random lynch.
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