King Piplup
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Bump for Jpluice if wanted
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Werewolf xvi the rise of team plasma: Town wins
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DragonClyne725
New Member
Sorry about that y'all, another honest mistake. Hope it's cool.
Anyways, Diaz's point is logical from the wording. There is a good chance that Ghetsis is one of the people who voted for SS7. Because of this:
Unvote: Jason
Still don't like the way you play, but a chance at finding Ghetsis is better than your lynch.
Here's the list of people who voted for SandSlash7, followed by my personal opinions:
AbsolTrainer
Diaz
DragonClyne725
PMysterious
Scottistru
Jellyfisher
Son_of_Apollo
PokechampOfPokebeach
Redados1
KingPiplup
Of these people:
Probably Not Ghetsis
-Absoltrainer
-Dragonclyne725
-Diaz (targeted by wolves Night 1)
-King Piplup
-PCoPB (claim Drayden)
-Jellyfisher (not sure, but hasn't hit my suspicion list yet)
Possibly/Unsure
-PMysterious
-Scottistru
-Son_of_Apollo
-Redados1
That lowers us down to a 1/4 shot at finding Ghetsis assuming Diaz's theory is correct.
PMysterious- poor play, not much help to the town so far.
Scottistru- hasn't done much this Day, poor play last Day.
Son_of_Apollo- don't have much of a read on yet.
Redados1- poor play, hasn't posted much.
Of these, we can possibly narrow it down farther. I would greatly like to hear from these four people.
Anyways,
Vote: Redados1
Reason: Playstyle has significantly changed from last game in which he was a townie. Hasn't posted much, and what he's posted hasn't been at all helpful. Also happens to be on my list for who might be Ghetsis.
Diaz
New Member
Agree it could be interpreted differently, but:
Really think no wolves voted for SS7 considering they can talk during day?
Perhaps Sdrawkcab used this reasoning to find Ghetsis?
Absoltrainer
Active Member
Oh I have no doubt at least one wolf voted for SS7, how deep that goes, I have yet to decide on. If that makes sense?
Sandslash7
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Dead guy bump inc.
King Piplup
Active Member
Based on the wording, I'm 99% sure Ghestis voted SS7.
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Absoltrainer
Active Member
but who do you think Ghestis is? That's the real question.
King Piplup
Active Member
What about also
factoring in day
one's votes DC725
and KP both
on Dave lynch?
JewelQuest
New Member
Bump if ya need it.
King Piplup
Active Member
Yep, but honestly, Dave was the only one that hadn't had at least SOME redemption from his earlier bad playing, hence my vote.
I find it funny you've called me for fence sitting twice, and now we're sitting here debating the fact that I've voted twice for the lynch.
PokeChampofPokeBeach
New Member
Cantor might very well earn my vote. He as no real basis to his arguments, he just hides behind big words like "ad homenum (sp?)" to make himself sound logical. He also seems to think that "rules" like "lynch all liars", are to be followed without question. If anything, I consider them more guidelines. Many town-aligned players can and have lied, for varying reasons. In my mind it is very easy for someone to post a "rule" like that. By using sources like Mafiascum, it seems like Cantor is making himself out to be a much better player that he actually is. As Pikamaster pointed out, Cantor attempted to incorrectly use the logical fallacies "strawman" and "ad homenum" in an attempt to best him in discussion. Take those fancy words away, there is no real inherit logic in his posts. Cantor seems to using smoke and mirrors to beef up his non-existent arguments, which to me suggests possible deceit on his part. Without the use of these illusions, Cantor seemingly votes for Diaz only because he is a veteran. This seems rash to say the least, if not completely incriminating.
At this moment, there is not much evidence against Diaz. This might sound funny coming from one of the people who voted for him (and if that was your first thought, kudos to you), but keep in mind the reason I voted was to follow-up on Napoleon's line of play, which at the time I thought was rational. I did however fail to consider the point about the priest, which I'm glad Prohawk pointed out. Napoleon's plan is sound, except for that one piece of the puzzle, in which by revealing "Omega", as we are calling him/her, we can protect Omega but at the cost that Omega will be unable to use their role while protected by the priest. In my mind, this defeats the purpose of the role. What good is a role if it cannot be used? I'm interested in hearing Napoleon's thoughts on this, but at the moment I'm fairly convinced this course of action won't be in our best interest. Because I do not fully believe in this play, I'm going to go ahead and retract my vote.
Unvote: Diaz
I forget who brought this up, but the point about the seven possible candidates for Ghetsis... I think it is brilliant. The text to me completely suggests that Ghetsis voted for SS7, I do not think there is any reason to believe otherwise. I think the list of names is a great place to start.
DragonClyne725
PMysterious
Scottistru
Jellyfisher
Son_of_Apollo
Redados1
KingPiplup
Dragonclyne has been playing excellently so far, I don't think he's suspicious in anyway. In any case, his play does not suggest any possible suspicion. He's been actively contributing to the discussion and there is no reason to presume him guilty, as he has not made any errors or slip-ups as far as I am aware. PMysterious could very well be Ghetsis. Because he's a newcomer to the game and his posts lack any form of content, I can't really get a read on him. He could be Ghetsis, he might not be. There is honestly no way of knowing. Scottistru hasn't been playing a great game at all, he acted very fishy in the last day. During the last game, I gave him a lot of heat because I suspected the person who he replaced. It is was not warranted. He played an excellent game and I wasted a lot of my time targeting him. That is not the case this game. He's been all over the place. He could very well be Ghetsis, his play is noticeably different from the last game. I suspect him slightly more than PMysterious on the basis that I've played in a game before with Scottistru and thus have something to compare his play to. I do not have that luxury with PMysterious. I have no reason to suspect Jellyfisher of being Ghetsis. I think he's actually raised some interesting points, I can't say I disagree with any of them. There's no reason to suspect him, he hasn't done anything remotely suspicious as far as I can tell. Son_Of_Apollo isn't playing nearly as bad as Scottistru and PMysterious, but he hasn't been scotch-free either. His most noticeable offenses are committing at least one bandwagon and his posts generally lack content. However, given that bandwagoning is his most serious crime... which is not to say very serious. I would not lynch him before the others I have mentioned. Redados1 has been posting a lot less and his posts have a lot less content than before. He seems to be deliberately laying low this time, last game he posted more content than this and he had restrictions that disabled him from revealing the contents of his role. That's saying a lot! He has no restrictions 9as far as we know) and he hasn't contributed one unique thought to the entire game. Due to his previous play in the last game, there is a basis of suspicion in that his play is drastically different and in my opinion that makes him worse than PMysterious. PMysterious has no basis, so there is no difference. Redados1 does not have that luxury. KingPiplup has been posting a lot and actively contributing, there is no reason at the moment to suspect him.
PMysterious
Scottistru
Redados1
Those are the most likely candidates, I think. Out of curiosity, who did Son_Of_Apollo replace?
Vote: Redados1
Reason: There is a significant deficit of both posts and content of posts on your part. This gives the impression that you're trying to hide a bit. You voted PMysterious because he hasn't contributed anything, which at the least is hypocritical, considering you have contributed zilch to the game.[/b]
At this moment, there is not much evidence against Diaz. This might sound funny coming from one of the people who voted for him (and if that was your first thought, kudos to you), but keep in mind the reason I voted was to follow-up on Napoleon's line of play, which at the time I thought was rational. I did however fail to consider the point about the priest, which I'm glad Prohawk pointed out. Napoleon's plan is sound, except for that one piece of the puzzle, in which by revealing "Omega", as we are calling him/her, we can protect Omega but at the cost that Omega will be unable to use their role while protected by the priest. In my mind, this defeats the purpose of the role. What good is a role if it cannot be used? I'm interested in hearing Napoleon's thoughts on this, but at the moment I'm fairly convinced this course of action won't be in our best interest. Because I do not fully believe in this play, I'm going to go ahead and retract my vote.
Unvote: Diaz
I forget who brought this up, but the point about the seven possible candidates for Ghetsis... I think it is brilliant. The text to me completely suggests that Ghetsis voted for SS7, I do not think there is any reason to believe otherwise. I think the list of names is a great place to start.
DragonClyne725
PMysterious
Scottistru
Jellyfisher
Son_of_Apollo
Redados1
KingPiplup
Dragonclyne has been playing excellently so far, I don't think he's suspicious in anyway. In any case, his play does not suggest any possible suspicion. He's been actively contributing to the discussion and there is no reason to presume him guilty, as he has not made any errors or slip-ups as far as I am aware. PMysterious could very well be Ghetsis. Because he's a newcomer to the game and his posts lack any form of content, I can't really get a read on him. He could be Ghetsis, he might not be. There is honestly no way of knowing. Scottistru hasn't been playing a great game at all, he acted very fishy in the last day. During the last game, I gave him a lot of heat because I suspected the person who he replaced. It is was not warranted. He played an excellent game and I wasted a lot of my time targeting him. That is not the case this game. He's been all over the place. He could very well be Ghetsis, his play is noticeably different from the last game. I suspect him slightly more than PMysterious on the basis that I've played in a game before with Scottistru and thus have something to compare his play to. I do not have that luxury with PMysterious. I have no reason to suspect Jellyfisher of being Ghetsis. I think he's actually raised some interesting points, I can't say I disagree with any of them. There's no reason to suspect him, he hasn't done anything remotely suspicious as far as I can tell. Son_Of_Apollo isn't playing nearly as bad as Scottistru and PMysterious, but he hasn't been scotch-free either. His most noticeable offenses are committing at least one bandwagon and his posts generally lack content. However, given that bandwagoning is his most serious crime... which is not to say very serious. I would not lynch him before the others I have mentioned. Redados1 has been posting a lot less and his posts have a lot less content than before. He seems to be deliberately laying low this time, last game he posted more content than this and he had restrictions that disabled him from revealing the contents of his role. That's saying a lot! He has no restrictions 9as far as we know) and he hasn't contributed one unique thought to the entire game. Due to his previous play in the last game, there is a basis of suspicion in that his play is drastically different and in my opinion that makes him worse than PMysterious. PMysterious has no basis, so there is no difference. Redados1 does not have that luxury. KingPiplup has been posting a lot and actively contributing, there is no reason at the moment to suspect him.
PMysterious
Scottistru
Redados1
Those are the most likely candidates, I think. Out of curiosity, who did Son_Of_Apollo replace?
Vote: Redados1
Reason: There is a significant deficit of both posts and content of posts on your part. This gives the impression that you're trying to hide a bit. You voted PMysterious because he hasn't contributed anything, which at the least is hypocritical, considering you have contributed zilch to the game.[/b]
King Piplup
Active Member
Also, Jpluice, the list was based on Ghestis being located in the update, not necessarily the vote list.
Just thought I'd add that.
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Son_of_Apollo
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Reread this part, it seems clear that wolves were part of the force that killed SS7. But as you read it closer, it's somewhat ambiguous as to whether ghetsis was actually involved or just ordered the wolves to do it.
I don't think we can be 100% that one of the seven is ghetsis, but I do think there are wolves somewhere in that group. Maybe just 1, maybe more, but I really like those odds.
-Absoltrainer
Absol checks out to me, I won't go into too much detail because most will agree with me here.
-Dragonclyne725
hmmm... honestly not sure what to think here. For the most part he has been logical in his posts, but nothing has actually cleared him. He's a maybe but not likely in my book.
-Diaz (targeted by wolves Night 1)
Checks out
-King Piplup
hmmm.... pretty reasonable, but not cleared. A possibility.
-PCoPB (claim Drayden)
Checks out
-Jellyfisher
I honestly don't have too much to say here. Possibility.
-PMysterious
possibility.
-Scottistru
Possibility.
-Son_of_Apollo
I am a townie. I'm not on my own list, but obviously I will be on other peoples'.
-Redados1
Possibility.
At the moment there's no clear choice, but I think we're going in a good direction. I do think looking at the people who voted for him later is a good way to go. Maybe the wolves held out hope. If anything I might give the first 5 the BOTD.
The last five to vote for SS7 were Jellyfisher, me, PCOPB, redados, and king piplup.
I'll leave myself out, and I'm fine with PCOPB.
That leaves jellyfisher, king piplup and redados.
I think if the wolves decided to turn on Sandslash, it most likely wouldn't be as early as jellyfisher. I honestly don't think it's redados. He's been posting very little and when he has it's been bad. With intelligent players like SS7 on the wolf team I have to think they would have told him to improve his play. There's no way they'd let him sit around and get the suspicion/votes he's gotten.
That leaves King Piplup. I'm not going to vote, but for me he is the most likely to be a wolf. It's kind of a stretch, so i'll wait for more any other contributions.
PokeChampofPokeBeach
New Member
That seems reasonable. Assuming one of the seven is Ghetsis (which judging from the text of A/AM, I'd say at the least it's a possibility), Gym Leaders claiming would rule out names from consideration (I see no reason that Gym Leaders would be Werewolves). It gets names out there too, so why not? I don't see any immediate negatives to this. It can only make it easier to find Ghetsis.
How do we tell who has a specific role?
Why not have everyone on the list name-claim?
How about all of the people who we suspect name-claim?
jellyfisher
Member
I agree with this completely. While I do think there is a wolf in the group of seven, I do not think that Ghetsis is in there. Assuming Diaz's theory is correct, I think that the reason AAM made Ghetsis the one that was mentioned because he is the leader of the wolves, not because he actually voted for SS7. Think about it, how would it have looked if AAM had made the wolf that spoke up a random grunt instead of the alpha wolf?
Out of the players on the list, I would chose Scottistru to be the most likely of being a wolf. He has acted far more suspicious then any of the others.
And I don't really have a defense for my not being a wolf. Except for the fact that I have done nothing suspicious.
PokeChampofPokeBeach
New Member
I already thought about this, actually. I came to the conclusion that the Gym Leaders should be willing to name-claim. After all, by name-claiming they can get their name off of the list which helps us all. We get information about players this way and are more likely to lynch the Werewolf among them. I see no reason why the true Gym Leaders wouldn't want to name-claim.
Son_of_Apollo
New Member
Any information helps the wolves. They can probably guess who's important/not important based on the gym leader the person is.
What I suggest is if we begin to vote for a gym leader, have them name claim then. That way we're not giving out info we don't necessarily need yet.
What I suggest is if we begin to vote for a gym leader, have them name claim then. That way we're not giving out info we don't necessarily need yet.